Quoted from solarvalue:

I think pinball manufacturers will have to start using adhesive PETG sheets with the artwork applied to the back, similar to the hardtops. With ghosting, chipping and pooling of clearcoats, stricter environmental regulations and the extra scrutiny the playfields are getting when bought for the home, the need to replace playfields is going to get more and more common. At some point it just won't be worth it anymore.

Quoted from NPO:

Don't cancel. Put emotion ahead of logic. Itll be fine . Emotionally driven decisions always work out better.

Quoted from 3pinballs:

I Agree....at the same time people want their games to look great and last. I can see why people are upset as what happens if it gets worse in the future.
Disclaimer...I have a POTC LE ....Love it... NO chipping, but pooling around posts...Knock on Wood!

Quoted from Who-Dey:

"Hey your playfield is chipping to pieces and looks like phuking shit dude". "Yeah i know, not a big deal, its just a minor blemish on a 10K game.......doesnt bother me at all".
Dude are you f*cking serious? You are either rich beyond belief or really really dumb!

Quoted from HookedonPinonics:

To me the playfield issues are only flaws if you focus on it. Believe me. It can make you miserable. I choose to not be miserable about it and play and enjoy my games. I bought these to enjoy myself. Not to show off or to sit there looking pristine. Shit happens. Its how we deal with it. I hope everyone finds a solution to this and works together. Wishing financial ruin to the manufactures does nothing.

Quoted from tpir:

If your table was chipped to the point that it had large uneven areas that affected gameplay, would you change your mind?

Quoted from Who-Dey:

Why do i do it? I do it because i love pinball and all of the lights and sounds etc and one of the things that i love about pinball is the gorgeous colors and artwork. Pinball machines in my eyes are beautiful and when you combine everything that i just said, i want to keep them looking that way.

Quoted from steigerpijp:

Just imagine picking up your brand new motorbike, and allready some minor rust on the edge of the fuel filler hole . Or Lets say the edge if your car door. Everyone knows where it will lead to
“Ah dont worry, its only on the edge, nothing to worry about its not like the whole tank is peeling” was said by the sales guys. We we’re like “ what?”
Six months later and over 2500 sold bikes were recalled in for a new tank worldwide . Faulty adhesion led to you guessed it.. big peeling off..I replaced about a 50 with my fellow mechanics at the store
So, If the cat is in the bag, dont act like it isnt because it always comes out .

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

It's sort of ironic that you can pay JJP extra for shiny RadCals eye candy

Quoted from LamF:

If you have a playfield issue, please report to your distributor or Stern or JJP, even if you think you're willing to live with it. Do it as a service to the community at large, ffs! A playfield that is chipping or rippling and thus prone to chipping later is not acceptable on a NiB machine, no matter what spin you want to put on it...minor defect..doesn't affect gameplay....blah blah blah. It's not OK.

Quoted from NoQuarters:

Maybe it's the Carpet Pissers messing up the playfields

Quoted from tpir:

Think I'm out on JP2 no matter what Stern does or says. Too many quality issues on machines in the wild and it would be silly of me to think they are all going to be addressed. They couldn't even figure out a proper post for in front of the upper flipper?
Also, while I realize they are minor issues overall, the cognitive dissonance I would experience having to buy the proper plunger spring and non-shit coil stops when I am already spending $7,000+ is too much for me to handle.

Quoted from underlord:

You may be right, but if the pf starts flaking off in chunks, too risky and price is too high. Brand new they’ve got serious issues, you really think years from now they’ll be ok?

Quoted from TomGWI:

I like my machines to be defect free out of the box. Not to look like this.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

I think we need to ban all trucks.

Quoted from NoQuarters:

Pedestrian forum is called Walk, Don't Walk

Quoted from Jackalwere:

Nah, people can play it on location for $1, so they're not missing out on anything. Much cheaper than owning a $6-7k machine and can walk away from any clearcoat issues on the location machine without any heartache.

Quoted from tpir:

I'm not freaking out. You are doing that thing you keep doing where you shift the blame from JJP/Stern to us. The point is these QC issues should not exist at all for the prices we are paying for a premium niche toy. And who knows what all we don't know about or how these tables will look in a year.
Your continued terrible logic and arguing in bad faith in these threads actually has me hoping your table is a huge piece of shit that completely falls apart. Enjoy!

Quoted from tpir:

I still regret hoping that zaph's table is shit, that was not nice of me.

Quoted from tpir:

This issue is indeed making me miserable lol. Pinball was one of the few things in life that made me happy and I now feel gross and like a moron dumping money on these things. Of course, I was always a moron, it's just coming into clearer focus now

Quoted from GravitaR:

Next Stern cost cutting will come from having no art on the PF whatsoever and having a Hard Top type overlay installed. Wait and see.

Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

Well many pinsiders think this playfield issue stuff is overblown. Zaphx.

Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

I will forgive you.

Quoted from jellikit:

It is fun and should read "haven't always" but we don't want to judge.

Quoted from Ccondo:

So I preordered a Jurassic Park Premium but wanted to get some time in on a Pro at a local bar. I’m now noticing it isn’t there anymore. I wonder if they had to pull it because of play field issues. Getting worried about this purchase to say the least. I sold my other games to free up $ and to make room for this game.

Quoted from pipes:

jwp72 I see nothing wrong in that pic.
Like was mentioned a few posts ago...what are you expecting Stern to do at this point? Some of this is getting a little out of control I feel.

Quoted from hawkmoon77:

This top-down view captures the wrinkling better: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/welcome-to-the-jurassic-park-le-club/page/16#post-5225485

Quoted from Rum-Z:

Sign me up! I don't know why Stern and JJP didn't start making playfields with this as a top layer years ago. Ghosting, dimpling, pooling/blistering, etc., would all be a thing of the past.

Quoted from CubeSnake:

So this begs the questions--what is Stern's thoughts on the matter and if they're keeping mum (which I believe they are) then WHY in blue hell are people STILL buying a Stern product ?!?

Quoted from underlord:

I’m sure it’s great fun when the ball hits a post, as they do, and that post pulls up a chunk of artwork. Good times...

Quoted from Wickerman2:

What do you call 2 lawyers arguing in a pinball forum?

Quoted from Roostking:

Did you just admit that lawyers generally lie about billable hours, to the detriment of their clients. Alrighty then!

Quoted from Roostking:

Then if it was every second, how could it be a second past 55 when he died?

Quoted from o-din:

Perhaps a similar warning about washing their t-shirts is in order?
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Quoted from Extraballz:

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Quoted from V4Vendetta:

Just cuz you bought a machine that cost little more money you think that puts you on some kind of damn pedestool?

Quoted from Legacy:

When is everyone going to agree the games coming out of production are safe to buy again

Quoted from arzoo:

Not sure anyone ever actually got a replacement playfield.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Clearly you missed out on the "is a tournament game HUO" thread. Tensions ran very high.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Well, on the zaphX Forum, it's not an issue up for debate, but here, clearly many people had different opinions.
I'm just curious if playfields dimple or pool or inserts ghost more in tournament use than in basement use.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll shake your fists angrily at the screen!
Relive and contribute to the "HUO Show Game" debate thread here!
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/is-a-nib-huo-game-still-huo-if-you-take-it-to-a-show-to-the-freeplay-a#post-5356122

Quoted from wesman:

Is there a reflection or glare at all from a protector?
I've considered them, but also felt putting things in plastic, take away the experience of using something, versus not. Like shelving a game, movie, etc. Like pinball is meant to be played, not have a condom wrapped around it.
Dunno really....

Quoted from pinstyle:

I really hope plastic in NOT the future of pinball. I have zero interest in shooting on plastic.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

Panzer will never mention anything bad about JJP because he is their biggest fanboy. JJP games dimple too, their clearcoat also chips and pools around the posts just like Sterns games. JJP is no better at all, even with their outrageous prices and how they boast about being the highest quality games made. Its simply not true and Jack wont stand behind his product either.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

It has been somewhat fixed by taking away the artwork from under all the posts. I think the real problem is still there though.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

Well I've heard from some pretty good sources that the real problem has still not been corrected and you dont see them putting the artwork back under the posts so I tend to believe that the issue with the artwork pulling up has not been corrected.
Also I have seen the newer playfields with the super thin clearcoat on the newer games and I'm not a fan of that either. The playfields dont look as nice and I gotta wonder how they will hold up under heavy usage.

Quoted from Mike_J:

I believe your statement is bullshit because JJP hasn’t publicly addressed it. Have they?
Few of the companies in this industry handle their various issues like a well run, properly funded company.
And Stern has their own pile of wood to chop in the arena of customer service.
If JJP has made a public statement to all of their customers regarding the rectification of their playfield issues, I apologize.

Quoted from PtownPin:

interesting as mine has none....although I only have 120 game plays....its amazing to me the crap shoot buyers get with these play fields.

Quoted from Doctor6:

So this morning as I'm cleaning my machines, I figured I'd take a video of my Hobbit playfield with the glass off with the most likely angles o could do shoe any dumpling I possibly could. Out of the three machines, none of them have hardly any dimpling at all. Out of the three that would have them, it would be Hobbit (I play it the most and balls would go flying in this this most, if I had to guess).
This is why people bitch about dimples. There is like.... nothing here. Zero. And I play this thing a shit ton. Minimal dumpling isn't a miracle.
We've all one Bally William's here. We know what is possible.

Quoted from colonel_caverne:

Or buy a playfield protector.

Quoted from colonel_caverne:

Well, we can debate for years as this is a « normal » effect.
Then,
complaining will be useless because it will not change. So either dimpling is accepted or we buy a pp.

Quoted from LukyDuck:

How is a new owner going to find JJP playfield issues if the title is for Stern only?

Quoted from Doctor6:

Please enlighten us, oh wise one.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

I don't think that anyone thinks that these games wont show wear after lots of plays. You would have to be pretty stupid to think a game will still look new after it's been played a lot, however in a home use only environment they should stay looking good for a hell of a long time unless you play pinball every single day for hours. The people that I know take pride in their collections and they keep their games in good shape.

Quoted from TheLaw:

No.
Ok...what do we talk aboot now?

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

Wonder if it's time to explore alternative materials besides wood - yeah they ball may roll differently, but not sure I would care

Quoted from JY64:

Dude relax it's only Pinside

Quoted from JY64:

Look through the last couple of pages of pic's in this thread. At the start of this thread things were horrific for some time now people have gone back to bitching about dimples and other dumb-ass shit. If you are worrying about playfield chipping I would take the chance on any company at this time.

Quoted from Doctor6:

Perhaps other peoples' experiences matter as well?

Quoted from Betelgeuse:

Washers do seem to just push the pooling outward from the posts, making an even bigger problem area. Unfortunatley, the solution isn't this simple.

Quoted from Doctor6:

Two things: first, it did get worse as you can see more chipping around the top hole. Secondly, the angle you're using cannot properly see the issue in the clear. It is pathetic that we have to try to slow this process down at all. :/

Quoted from Doctor6:

Well yeah. They all start off perfect looking, just don't play it and you'll be good to go!

Quoted from Extraballz:

Do you own any machines from the 90’s? I am starting to think you may not have the reference material to rate current pin quality. Is that what is going on with you?

Quoted from Extraballz:

Your responses make more sense now. Imagine for a moment you had actually seen the overall quality of pins go way down over the years. Imagine for a moment actually seeing the value you get from your pins go down over the years. Prices shoot way up at the same time quality takes a nosedive. Imagine for a moment what others with more experience might think of the the current situation with pins.

Quoted from fooflighter:

new Spectrum formula

Quoted from o-din:

Yes, my R&M playfield is clearly and proudly marked Bader, and so far the quality blows this lessor garbage we see posted here day after day away.
It's like the stars perfectly aligned, not just the perfect theme and execution, but also the quality on this one.

Quoted from fooflighter:

P.P.S. Why are you shouting, it's my first offense

Quoted from John_I:

I can live with a little pooling, but even minor chipping like that is totally unacceptable. If it looks like that now, who knows what it will look like in a year? Or five years?

Quoted from Doctor6:

Jesus Christ, you're actually okay with this?

Quoted from smalltownguy2:

Me too. I finally have disposable income to spend on these games. My first NIB purchase was Wonka. And it'll be my last. I'll never buy a NIB pin again, ever.
I have moved on to Golden Tee equipment now.

Quoted from smalltownguy2:

And yet you continue to diminish my experience every time I mention it. I really don't care what you think. JJP screwed the pooch with this issue, and I'm not letting them off the hook.

Quoted from romulusx:

I’m cool I was just explaining what I thought zaphX was meaning.

Quoted from snaroff:

You can roll your eyes all you want, but you seem to be voting with your wallet based on your JJP heavy collection.
Listen, I get why people don't want to hear the truth, but everything the guy is saying I have witnessed first hand.

Quoted from smalltownguy2:

The fact that you people are still purchasing NIB machines just boggles my mind.

Quoted from gjm:

Curious about your thoughts in post #7474's picture of the warped Zep playfield...??

Quoted from Doctor6:

I have the same issue with a different Stern game. The game is almost unplayable.

Quoted from smalltownguy2:

I'm not buying any more NIB machines, and I'll actively campaign against anyone else who is. I still am to this day.