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Continued playfield issues with JJP and Stern


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3 months ago



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#573 3 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Well here in America we got FREEDOM baby!

you are on a roll today...your work in the angry thread was award winning

What's got everybody so jacked today? Fully mature(?) adult males getting keyboard-violent in a few threads.

#654 3 months ago
Quoted from Pinchild:

Yes.
Folk from Colorado do have anger issues.

What’s your closest airport

Pinside fight club! Oh yeah, it’s on!

#716 3 months ago
Quoted from swampfire:

Has the operator contacted Stern about it? Looks like this was before they started shipping with larger washers.

Someone photoshop a sling post with a washer that touches the washer on the other side of the playfield.

Could they put the art on the washers? All metal playfields...wait, then the clear on the metal would bubble and we’d need a washer

#962 3 months ago
Quoted from yancy:

"No widespread issues here at Stern, can’t speak for other manufacturers though. If anyone does have any issues with their games though they should definitely be reaching out to their dealer or distributor." Source: https://www.thisweekinpinball.com/this-week-in-pinball-august-26th-2019/

Re: JJP vs Stern....sounds like if you are "waiting" to see how Stern handles it, the wait was over a couple weeks back.

#1101 3 months ago

Wait 1 year. Buy used game that NIB owner has fixed coil stops, springs etc. If there is flaking art, discount applied. Save $500-1000? for sure.

Of course you could get hit by truck in a year I guess....because of trucks.

#1128 3 months ago
Quoted from zaphX:

twisting their mustaches thinking up evil ways to piss off

How much per machine for a good coil stop for fuksake? Nobody said evil.

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#1197 3 months ago
Quoted from fattdirk:

. I think this issue is being blown out of proportion. Seems to hold up fine.

You realize your sample size is 1 right?

#1204 3 months ago

How are deadpools holding up? Any reports of this issue on those?

1 week later
#1469 85 days ago
Quoted from BeaglePuss:

All the art that I’ve seen lifted on DP playfields, included my own, had no evidence of pooling.

Do you have pics?

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#1764 80 days ago
Quoted from Chrizg:

27 plays in

They’re addressing it by selling LE’s to putz’s.

Added 77 days ago:

Selling LEs to those unaware of the issues—not meaning to say buying an LE is putzy.

#1774 80 days ago
Quoted from JWP72:

May be tough to tell in the picture.

Quoted from pipes:

I see nothing wrong in that pic.
Like was mentioned a few posts ago...what are you expecting Stern to do at this point

Clear and art is rising up beyond edge of washer. If that continues, gets hit by ball or just from vibrations, it will crack, fall off and expose bare wood.

27 plays, 3 months, 3 years, that shouldn’t happen.

It’s called a defect. Depending on the product, consumers usually expect to be able to return an item, have repair done professionally at no charge, or get a partial refund. In pinball though, people apparently have various expectations ranging from rage to full support of the defective products

#1808 79 days ago

Or laugh it off and order an LE

#1927 77 days ago

I’ll help fund a t-shirt lot to be given out at entrance to Stern/JJP seminars.

White shirts, black lettering, “GOT POOLING?” or some such.

You got to grab their attention. A hundred people walking around with these would get the message across.

#1929 77 days ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

worked for "where's the code?"

Throw that on the back, probably still applies

#2008 76 days ago
Quoted from gliebig:

spent NIB pin money on a restored ball bowler.

Let’s see it!

#2057 76 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

You left out the word "incompetent"

Be fair, they’re new at this

#2067 76 days ago
Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

he “heard” the playfield issues were resolved a couple weeks ago

He said pooling was fixed, he did NOT say “flaking” was fixed. We need a flowchart.

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#2090 75 days ago
Quoted from Chambahz:

I’ve said more than enough already

I agree

#2141 74 days ago
Quoted from bellbrand:

I wonder what qualifies for a replacement

That’s why they never make an announcement about “issues”. It would lock them in to making everyone whole and not just the squeaky wheels.

I assume they also hope people will just think it’s not worth the trouble and give up.

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#2156 73 days ago
Quoted from Chambahz:

(Flamesuit on)

At this point you are coming across as a “pity party” for yourself. No offense, but you stated your position in several long posts. Seems like you just want to argue. You think pinside = babies, others think stern and Jjp are fleecing people with peeling paint. Both can be true.

#2165 70 days ago
Quoted from Izzy24:

185 games in

That sucks. Has someone constructed a timeline of when the quality went downhill? At least as far as paint/clear goes?

#2172 69 days ago

It’s a head scratcher when you have much older games with perfect playfields. The RBION/POTC era sterns I’ve had were flawless with many more plays obviously.

#2178 69 days ago
Quoted from ArcadiusMaximus:

Not really a head scratcher. You had different processes, different materials, and a whole slew of toxic chemicals that are now considered unsafe.

That gets stated and accepted as fact, but not sure we know that for sure. That’s why I was wondering about a timeline by release as to when this started

#2180 69 days ago

So yes on GOT.

Copied this from pricing thread...so, going back to GOT. Any earlier than that? Kiss? WWE? TWD? I haven’t heard any on those. So around 2014-2015 was there a change?

2019
Similar release to Beatles and Batman 66 - no Pro's
September / 2019 / Elvira House of Horrors / Premium / $7999
September / 2019 / Elvira House of Horrors / LE (400 only) / $9599
September / 2019 / Elvira House of Horrors / Signature Edition ( 50 only) / Call For Price
July / 2019 / Jurassic Park / Pro / $5999
July / 2019 / Jurassic Park/ Premium / $7599
July / 2019 / Jurassic Park / LE (500 of) / $8999
July / 2019 / Star Wars "The Pin" / $4499 (Home Version Pin)
May / 2019 / Batman 66 / Premium (Catwoman Signature Edition) / $7999
May / 2019 / The Munsters / Premium (Colour Package) / $7599
March / 2019 / Black Knight: Sword of Rage / Pro / $5999
March / 2019 / Black Knight: Sword of Rage / Premium / $7599
March / 2019 / Black Knight: Sword of Rage / LE (600 of) / $8999
January / 2019 / The Munsters / Pro / $5999
January / 2019 / The Munsters / Premium (Black & White Art Package) / $7599
January / 2019 / The Munsters / LE (600 of)(Colour Package) / $8999
...............................................................................
2018
November / 2018 / Primus / Boutique Limited to 100 (Re-themed Whoa Nellie design game) / $7995
October / 2018 / Beatles / 1614 x Gold (Premium's) - $7999
Platnium & Diamond prices set by dealers so vary...
October / 2018 / Beatles / 250 x Platinum (LE's) - $10000 to $12500
October / 2018 / Beatles / 100 x Diamond (SLE's) - $20000 to $25000
August / 2018 / Deadpool / Pro $5,999
August / 2018 / Deadpool / Premium $7,599
August / 2018 / Deadpool / LE (500 of) $8,999
May / 2018 / Star Trek VE / Pro / $5995
May / 2018 / Star Trek VE / Premium / $7495
March / 2018 / Iron Maiden / Pro / $5999
March / 2018 / Iron Maiden / Premium / $7599
March / 2018 / Iron Maiden / LE (500 of) / $8999
February/ 2018 / "Supreme" / Boutique (Re-themed Spiderman "The Pin" design game) / $10.5k with 200 made (apparently)
January / 2018 / AC/DC VE / Premium LUCI / $7699
These games now have the removable window for the Premium playfield
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2017
October / 2017 / Guardians of the Galaxy / Pro / $ 6,199
October / 2017 / Guardians of the Galaxy / Premium / $7,899
October / 2017 / Guardians of the Galaxy/ LE / $8,999
June / 2017 / Star Wars / Pro / $6199
June / 2017 / Star Wars / Premium / $7899
June / 2017 / Star Wars / LE (800) / $8999
May / 2017 / AC/DC VE / Pro / $6099
May / 2017 / AC/DC VE / Premium / $7699
These games now have slightly different are and the removable window for the Premium playfield
January / 2017 / Aerosmith / Pro / $6199
January / 2017 / Aerosmith / Premium / $7899
January / 2017 / Aerosmith / LE (500) / $8999
...............................................................................
2016
September / 2016 / Spiderman "The Pin" / $3800 (Home Version Pin)
First game with LCD Display, not a DMD
August / 2016 / Batman 66 / Pro - not available this time around
August / 2016 / Batman 66 / Premium / $8599
August / 2016 / Batman 66 / LE (240 only) / $9999
August / 2016 / Batman 66 / Super LE (30 + 50 only due to demand) / $14999
July / 2016 / PBR "Can Crusher" / Boutique (Re-themed Whoa Nellie design game) / $6995
March / 2016 / Ghostbusters / Pro / $5995
March / 2016 / Ghostbusters / Premium / $7595
March / 2016 / Ghostbusters / LE / $8795
January / 2016 / Spiderman VE (Comic Version) / $7595
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2015
September / 2015 / Game of Thrones / Pro / $5995
September / 2015 / Game of Thrones / Premium / $7595
September / 2015 / Game of Thrones / LE / $8795
May / 2015 / Kiss / Pro / $5995
May / 2015 / Kiss / Premium / $7595
May / 2015 / Kiss / LE / $8795
March / 2015 / Whoa Nellie / Boutique / $6499
January / 2015 / WWE / Pro / $5495
January / 2015 / WWE / LE / $8595
.................................................................................
2014
December / 2014 / The Walking Dead / Premium / $7595
September / 2014 / The Walking Dead / Pro / $5995
September / 2014 / The Walking Dead / LE / $8595
August / 2014 / Metallica / Pro LED / $5595
June / 2014 / Iron Man VE / Pro / $5495
March / 2014 / Mustang / Pro / $5395
March / 2014 / Mustang / Premium / $7495
March / 2014 / Mustang / LE / $8495
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2013
December / 2013 / AC/DC Luci Premium / $7495
September / 2013 / Star Trek / Pro / $5395
September / 2013 / Star Trek / Premium / $7495
September / 2013 / Star Trek / LE / $8795
April / 2013 / Metallica / Pro / $4995
April / 2013 / Metallica / Premium / $6995 (2 models - Monsters & Road Case)
April / 2013 / Metallica / LE / $7595
Jan / 2013 / Avengers "The Pin" / $4000 (Home Version Pin)
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2012
November / 2012 / Avengers / Pro / $5699
November / 2012 / Avengers / LE (2 models) / $8099
October / 2012 / Transformers "The Pin" / $4000 (Home Version Pin)
June / 2012 / X-Men / Pro / $5699
June / 2012 / X-Men / LE (2 models) / $7999
March / 2012 / AC/DC / Pro / $5699
March / 2012 / AC/DC / Premium / $7699
March / 2012 / AC/DC / LE (2 models) / $8499
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2011
September / 2011 / Transformer / Pro / $4795
September / 2011 / Transformer / LE (3 models ?) / $6999
May / 2011 / Tron / Pro / $4799
May / 2011 / Tron / LE / $5999
January / 2011 / Rolling Stones / Pro / $4799
January / 2011 / Rolling Stones / LE / $5999
...................................................................................
2010
August / 2010 / Avatar / Pro / $4799
August / 2010 / Avatar / LE / $5999
LE's did not really exist before Avatar
April / 2010 / IronMan / Pro / $4799
April / 2010 / IronMan / Classic (Home) / $3799

#2206 69 days ago

Cars aren’t wood anymore though...wood is a mysterious substance that no manufacturer has been able to figure out. I can’t come up with any industry that has tried to paint graphics on wood. Nope.

#2210 69 days ago

Nope. Not one. The code has yet to be cracked

#2211 69 days ago
Quoted from Rum-Z:

there's skateboards

Brainstorm. Stern could release a Tony Hawk LE and the playfield could be built by a skateboard company. Just spitballing

#2250 68 days ago
Quoted from hawkmoon77:

appears to be the wrong colored insert installed

#2254 68 days ago

Stern’s business plan is a mystery wrapped in a riddle covered in soft clearcoat...working though so what do I know?

#2277 67 days ago
Quoted from Beaverz:

Williams, Bally, Gottleib never told you anything about their playfields either. It's the same as always. There were problems with diamondplate back then too.

What was home collector vs operator back then? Percentage. Probably flip flopped now.

#2293 66 days ago
Quoted from Beaverz:

That's not relevant.

Seems relevant in that an operator heavy client base that buys games in large quantities and writes them off would be vastly different than a bunch of home collectors with smaller quantities of games. More people to answer to and pickier people and that’s your growth market so you better make them happy.

So, in short, relevant

#2302 66 days ago
Quoted from Beaverz:

Not Stern is making the same commercial games as before. The fact you choose to buy then and put them in your house does not change that. If I buy a shipping container to put in my back yard I don't expect it to be made differently than one that's going to be rushed around. If be buying something that's not made for my market segment and if be expecting the commerical level. Stern can name them le, sle, etc it's still the same stuff.

Obtuse

#2308 66 days ago

Just talking past each other so no worries.

Welcome to pinside btw, great to have another informed opinion in the mix. That container analogy was spot on. Lots of LE containers going out these days. I have had my eye on a super signature LE container myself. Hopefully the clear holds up now that they are marketing specifically to the discerning container collector. #containerside

#2388 64 days ago

What do you call 2 lawyers arguing in a pinball forum?

#2428 63 days ago
Quoted from knockerlover:

It's B.S. that distributors are claiming new LE's have no more playfield issues,

Quoted from Dr-pin:

So what is the current consensus?

Following the JPLE thread, some games are fine, others having non clear coat related issues, haven’t heard any pooling lately but the sample size is literally 4 or 5 I think. I’d give it awhile myself.

#2441 63 days ago

No. You are wrong. Get it?

Repeatedly making specious, lawyerly sounding arguments doesn’t make people dropping $8k on a peeling playfield feel any better.

#2467 63 days ago
Quoted from Chrizg:

27 plays in[quoted image][quoted image]

This dude played down to bare wood in 27 plays.....that’s what the issue is....not damaged HUO games from normal use forchristsakes. Intentionally obtuse?

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#2478 63 days ago
Quoted from rotordave:

The point is, these things are shipping out in a sub-par state ... the buyer shouldn’t have to be “buyer beware”, he’s buying a brand new pinball machine with a big pile of his hard earned money, and he should expect the playfield to last for years. Not weeks.

Yeah, well...what’s your point? Oh, sorry you actually directly stated your point. Literally used the phrase “the point is”

#2481 63 days ago

Missed point again lol

#2509 63 days ago
Quoted from iceman44:

a leader of the don't get it club. LOL

Missed the point in that post too! You are on a roll, 0 for everything!

There isn’t a don’t get it club either. Quit talking out your ass. It’s more of a don’t get it loose association without a charter formed by individuals seeking high quality $8000 man toys. Sad world where demanding quality is a pejorative to some.

#2511 62 days ago

That’s just standard HUO wear right?

#2520 62 days ago
Quoted from PW79:

so you can get a 3rd if that’s the case

wall to wall hanging art

#2529 62 days ago
Quoted from hawkmoon77:

Has anyone tried to remove a post from an area where there is pooling but no chipping? I'm curious if the bottom of the post is stuck to the clear when trying to remove it

For JJP, Jack practically screamed do not remove posts with this issue happening...for what it’s worth

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#2579 60 days ago

Should give the new QC director a sanding block to get those lines out.

3 weeks later
#2914 34 days ago
Quoted from hawkmoon77:

So... After talkng with Stern about my issue, I had the distinct impression that they know that people intend to do this and why it's their new default offer.

Yet, if they had been able to mail their playfield to Stern, for Stern to swap...

#3036 31 days ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

distributors who don’t accept credit cards.

There are several legit stern distros that sell via ebay. You not only can pay via cc that way and earn ebay bucks, you also have ebays customer-centric satisfaction guarantee

#3096 30 days ago
Quoted from MK6PIN:

never understood why LE's couldn't have more usable features, as they cost more money

Maybe the LE should mean playfield warranty. I think CGC ups warranty with each model...maybe Stern does too, no idea.

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