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Quoted from Pin_Fandango:not sure what ribbing is, I do not know what I am looking at at the picture.
Ribbing or Graining is where the soft rings of the wood telegraph through the finish
1fb5387c6qwer1af6b55f44e1400b04aa5eedad5c4da (resized).jpgQuoted from Kiwipinhead:This operator has found out how to avoid pooling
Not only are posts missing allowing the balls to smash metal on metal, other metal posts are missing their rubbers - roughing up the balls further
Instead of tightening the screws to bed the ramp entrance below the wood surface, why not just put a piece of tape over the lip?
I'd love to see the balls themselves...lol
Quoted from Max_Badazz:New populated LZ playfield arrived today. Easy to plug back in (three connectors and a cat5). Smooth like glass, not even a hair of a warp. Now to update the code and get back to playing it (I tried one game to make sure everything was working and its like a different game .... no more watching the ball curve into the outlanes LOL)
Nice!
You know we need pics of the unboxing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quoted from dts:I figured thin fiber under the washer wouldn’t raise it too much. JJP used washers directly to the playfield on my last one, which seemed to work. This is an earlier run before that modification. If too high, will try the fiber alone.
Sand down the bottom of the post, removing as much material as the thickness of both washers combined.
120g sandpaper makes for very quick removal - so don't go too far.
Post are cheap, don't worry about cutting them down.
Quoted from rotordave:How about painting the washers black or to match the playfield, so you don’t see them?
For Pirates of the Caribbean, I'd want to drill through a gold doubloon instead of a washer
I mean, at least try to class the joint up a little....
istockphoto-184884354-1024x1024 (resized).jpgQuoted from rotordave:Washers look a bit ass though ... My JP (early run) came with washers factory, I cringe when I look at them.
For Guns N Roses, you could drill a hole in some guitar picks and not have it look so crappy
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Quoted from Haymaker:I still believe this is the main problem despite a lot of people trying to say otherwise.
I mean, anyone can see that the ink has lifted away from the substrate on the majority of the digitaly printed problem playfields.
I have an inbox full of horrendous photos
Quoted from Syco54645:Wouldn't that hurt the distributor? Or is this a sort of fu to them when they don't help? I may just hold off and buy a nice used one...
No worries.
Nothing will happen to the distributor. They simply won't pay the invoice when it comes due.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Notes on Diamond Plate I found in a link from an old Pinside thread. Are the chemicals used in Diamond Plate now banned?
"Diamond Plate is a hardcoat for pinball playfields that was developed in the mid 1980ies by Sun Process.
Ken Fedesna, Vice President at Williams asked Sun Process to research if pinball playfields could be made more dureable. Their answer was Diamond Plate. This was based on Imron, an automotive 2-component urethane hardcoat developed by DuPont. There were minor changes to its formula and application (thickness, drying time, ..) so it could be applied to the wood of playfields."
Dupont still makes it, it is not illegal.
Quoted from Spyderturbo007:I've been fighting with my distributor for almost 2 years and haven't gotten anywhere. I told them about the issue about 45 days after receiving the game. It's always "I'll check with Stern and get back to you". Then I wait a few weeks, email them again and I get the "I'll check with Stern and let you know".
I'm really pissed off and half tempted to throw them under the bus because they appear to have hung me out to dry. I've bought 3 games from them and would have bought a JP Premium shortly after they were released, but since no one has stepped up to fix my issue, I'm not buying shit.
This is the best lesson for everyone.
If you don't get your $9k game repaired before 90 or 120 days (depending on your credit card), you need to file your chargeback - fast.
Don't let them make excuses to stall, and thus run out the clock
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Quoted from jimwe5t:Even then nothing will change until JJP changes their formula and factory install techniques. They have to stop printing art under posts and order far less clearcoat, as to be thinner, and change undercoat tech, which improves DTS printing.
That is not fixing the problem.
Removing the art from under the posts is just a band-aid that does nothing to fix the ink adhesion problem.
Real playfields are sometimes stored for years in unheated garages. Can you imagine what would happen if one of these playfields were exposed to freezing temperatures for a season???
Quoted from cpr9999:Would like to hear Vid’s thoughts.
All of us guys who have been servicing pinball machines for 40 plus years know that those metal mini posts are always loose on games.
Every time you go out to a new clients place of business it is guaranteed those posts will be loose.
Often times the posts are really loose, because someone has put a #6 post into a #8 hole
So you always have to loc-tite them and make sure that the correct post is installed
Never in the tens of thousands of games that I have serviced, have I ever seen 25 mm of paint chip away around a loose post.
The loose post always wears a tiny ring the exact diameter of the post. It does not lift all the surrounding ink and clear off, lol
Doesn't matter if it's an OEM or a CPR playfield, the results are the same.
These games have had millions of balls run over them, and the metal posts are inches away from the flippers:
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Crap playfields can't even survive a few thousand balls, let alone millions
Quoted from cpr9999:Of course I would certainly say the new digital printing/ clear coats are way different today.
Quoted from fatbeerdrinker:Keep in mind your comparing the damage on a screen printed playfield to a digital one.
CPR has been making digitally printed playfields for ~3 years now.
I have not had a single customer tell me that the ink has been lifted off with the clear or pooled up around the posts.
CPR has not had to remove the artwork from around the posts.
CPR has not had to make their mini-post holes smaller.
CPR has not had to tell customers to put giant metal washers under the posts.
If there ever was an acid-test, it would have to be the Rolling Stones CPR playfield with the 2 posts directly in front of the flippers, right?
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Some of you experienced pinheads will remember when you'd get a warped playfield and the distributor would have populated replacement ready for you the next week.
They did not even want the old one back.
Screenshot 2021-06-14 at 20-21-26 1988 Williams Cyclone Pinball Populated Playfield Brand New In Factory Crate #435266767 (resize435b2970391f55d1f497e685c451c6c9c0fb493 (resized).jpgQuoted from GeekedOnPinball:I would like some feedback from the group. Is this normal?
Yes it's normal (for a micro playfield)
The ink is not bonded to the substrate, and has now been lifted off by the clearcoat.
You need a new playfield. ☹
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