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Continued playfield issues with JJP and Stern


By f3honda4me

62 days ago



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#444 55 days ago

The problem is waterbase clear.
To avoid sinking post is to make new updated playfield protectors 0,75 mm polycarbonate with out cut outs under the post that covers more playfield than it does now. Or live with it (with i can't).

#665 52 days ago

Digital printing can be the problem.
They use different inks instead of silkscreening.
i had a new full throttle, digital printed playfield and it chips the playfield at the right ramp intrance near the spinning disk.
Digital printed playfields have more problems with chiping problems.
And water base clears are less durable.
The 2 problems combined makes the quality even less durable i think. thats my opinion.

#855 48 days ago

10 month ago everybody downvoted this hahaha.
Some say its normal 26 votes up!!!!.
This is what you get, sticking your head in the sand.
softer wood, cheaper (digital) printing, water base clear.
We go back to the 80's now where you can buy a second hand blank pinball machine for almost nothing afther 3 years.

And next month we get some new aftermarket firstclass playfields with best wood money can buy screenprinted and 90's clear made in a place with no
restrictions.

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#869 48 days ago
Quoted from Dr-pin:

epoxy turns yellow with uv-lighting. Normally polyurethane can protect. Polyurethane is to my knowledge more flexible and resistant, but requiers more to set, there cant be moisture etc.
I think if you go epoxy, you have to have a non-flexible surface below, atleast that´s the case with flooring.

I use epoxy on my homebrew machines.
IT CRACS when it is to hard like my first machine.
My second has a new mix epoxy that stays oke.
The third machine wil have the epoxy AND a 1mm macralon mylar with no cutouts unther the post so it won't crack (to hard) or sink(to soft) the post.

Like i said before, a NEW MODEL macralon 1 mm (playfield protector) mylar that covers al post on the playfield wil keep your playfield new and won't sink your posts or crack the clear or dimples your plafield.

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#870 48 days ago

delete.

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#1254 41 days ago

I remember this sort of playfield problems happend back in 1991 with Data East Batman.
After 2 month arcade play the playfield was 70% blank
And a white color ground appeared.
So the new playfields got a mylar and then after Stealt hardcoat.
So it wil take some time to find a proper solution.
In the mean time they still keep building games.
And quietly replace the playfield for a better one.
They can't swap every populated playfield from 2018 till now because they will go broke.
THATS WY THEY SAY THERE ARE ONLY A FEW MACHINES WITH PLAYFIELD PROBLEMS.
The only thing they can do financial is making a free playfield protector that covers the whole playfield or give you a bare new playfield when ready or they get out of busines.

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#1585 33 days ago
Quoted from Rondogg:

I know you're half kidding but I'm thinking Stern only thinks this is being brought up by a few vocal pinheads. There are a lot of us, who are not so vocal, that are waiting for this issue to be properly addressed.
I can't believe I'm saying this but, at this point, I can't wait to see what deeproot has in store for us.

I don't hope Deeproot already have some pile of playfields in stock that are digital printed for the first 3 games.
Deeproot can't deliver screenprinted playfield for the (low) price point i think.

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#1664 32 days ago
Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

No pooling or chipping on my nib hockey yet...[quoted image]

You live in a bubble.

#1720 30 days ago

In the future we will find out what are the good serial numbers to buy that have no pooling anymore.

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#2282 16 days ago
Quoted from mbwalker:

Yep:[quoted image]

Yes after 50.000 plays

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#2299 15 days ago

I really like Stern pinball machines but playfields with pooling only can be stopped if you ad a anti pooling 0,75 mm playfield protector that covers the playfield and all post in the shooting area.
It sucks but that is the only solution i think.

I say it again Stern can't replace ALL playfield they will go out off business.
Some will get a new playfield.
Maybe they make a protector for a few models i don't know what else they can do.
Or stay silence and tackle the problem for the future.

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