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Continued playfield issues with JJP and Stern

By f3honda4me

4 years ago


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#6703 3 years ago
Quoted from Fytr:

I cannot fathom for the life of me why this problem is so f*cking hard to solve.

Because of EPA regulations concerning VOC emissions Manufacturers were "Encouraged" to work with less volatile materials, hence water based coatings.
If they continued with the older, harder more durable clear coats it would involve a higher priced Permit, result in a Hazardous Waste (Flammables, Reactives) waste streams and more frequent inspections of facilities by the EPA.
Water-based coatings have come a long way but are not yet as DURABLE as the older finishes.
Face it, Nitro lacquer, Isocyanates, xylene solvents are on their way out, so we must learn to live with the "Greener" alternatives.

#6731 3 years ago
Quoted from Darscot:

There is some chemical issue here with adhesion that they need to sort out.

Coating adhesive is pretty simple (but Manufacturers want to make it complicated, so you will purchase their Proprietary Coatings).

Does the substrate ( bare wood, previously coated wood, etc) have an etched, uneven or pitted surface when viewed under magnification?
Are the etched, uneven or pitted surfaces free from contaminants?
Good, the coating can bond to it.
Uncompatible inks, paint or waxes, including silicones are unacceptable. Aerosol silicone contamination from adjacent work areas won't work.
Glazes, preservatives or polishing bare wood substrates during Manufacturing must be corrected.
Temperature swings in the Manufacturing Environment (Open dock doors, too much air conditioning) can be critical.
The stuff they are using (if its what I think it is) requires STRICT Preparation, Application in a Climate Controlled Room.
The same rigid requirements must be met to cure properly.
Use of these clear coatings has been a learning curve the past 10 years, not only Pinball but anything with a Clear over it.
Unfortunately application on a Play Field is perhaps the most demanding application requiring durability and high wear.

#6741 3 years ago
Quoted from Eskaybee:

I could be totally wrong here, but I thought I read somewhere that tighter regulations got put on clear coat chemicals forcing company’s to change their formulas and process.

Duh!

#6835 3 years ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

still ..... has to be a better way
Spooky, CGI and AP seem to have figured it out - maybe not perfect, but better than what JJP and Stern are putting out

Depending upon the States Regulations small-quantity generators of hazardous waste do not receive the same scrutiny as the big players.
A measurement of total VOC produced (aerosols and vented liquid supplies) could place them in the small producer category, a great advantage for profits without undue Regulation.
Many times Companies are Grandfathered in until they use remaining supplies of the Haz variety if they have promised to convert over to the water based.
I cannot say with certainty these observations apply to these Companies .

#6995 3 years ago
Quoted from wrd1972_PinDoc:

I never I thought I would hear myself say this! But maybe the playfields should be farmed out to Mexico, China overseas etc. where "hopefully" the best possible printing, and clear-coating of the playfields can take place. No reason you you could not have "diamond-Plate" or some other rock-hard finish applied there".

Yeah, I wish we could import non-EPA diesel Toyotas from Australia here too, its not fair we have to suffer because of all these unnecessary regulations.

The clear they are using is being applied too thick during "Open time" of the coating in order to eliminate another step in the process.
Multiple thin coats, followed by drying and then light sanding before the next coat would fix this issue.

#7000 3 years ago

Another selling term can be added to HUO, Home use out of box, etc. "Non Pooling Version".

#7005 3 years ago
Quoted from Sako-TRG:

If it wasn't for all these damn tree huggers!
Bring back the chemicals and sort this mess out.
Some good holidays going just now also.....
Seal clubbing, two for the price of one
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If those seals were ugly nobody would care.

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