Quoted from NeilMcRae:
, oh its not that bad a problem (!).
It's never that bad of a problem till it happens to you
Add Munters LE to the list
Checked my pictures when I unboxed and no damage, can't be enough "cure time" as spent 2 months getting shipped here, less than 300 plays.
Quoted from Who-Dey:
My Munsters Premium looks identical to your game. If it doesnt get worse then i really wouldn't care, but im afraid thats not going to be the case.
I am the same. But its in a high wear area and dont think its going to stand up to the pounding. Not looking good for 222 plays.
Quoted from Spelunk71:
If anyone who has reported these issues to Stern in recent weeks gets anything other than radio silence (like I have) please share it here.
Nothing, I think my Distro is avoiding me at the moment and a couple of other owners here in NZ.
Sterns sales must have taken a big hit in the last month with these playfield issues, when has there ever been "leaked" pictures of the next game before even LEs have been made and delivered of a current title.?
I know of 4 or more sales lost here with this clear coat issue so far.
Quoted from pinballaddicted:
That is just shit. I really feel for you, nothing worse in this hobby than playfield issues. We visited an arcade while we have been on holidays, every Stern built after late 2017 had playfield issues. 6 games (Beatles, GOTG, ACDC, MUN, JP2, BKSOR) all in one place all having playfield issues. Not a good statistic.
Have you let Stern know? What did they say?
No, not widespread at all Stern.
My IMDN LE has it, Musters LE and looks like my BK3 LE is starting to pool, will check my SW later.
Quoted from Talon2000:
Yup I've seen the same issue with games with washers too. So now they've pushed the damage out further, which then decrease the distance from the ball. I think the ones with washers are going to start peeling away faster.
Agreed, more liklely the ball will roll into the lifting CC and chip it away
Quoted from Chambahz:
Try to keep up,
Here is the thing: just because YOU deem it to be reasonable to expect something, doesn’t mean that the manufacturers are in agreement. In this case, they aren’t. See the warranty if you want evidence.
Your expectations of what constitutes acceptable for a new product from a pinball manufacturer is pretty unrealistic in today’s world.
Here is the thing in our country... Our distributor will/has to refund if we are unhappy with the product. Stern could put a 1 day or 1 hour warranty on their Pinballs.. still doesnt mean crap here with our consumer laws.
Quoted from kermit24:
Before Stern swapped out my Ghostbusters PF they sent me a bottle of clear. That won't be the final resolution for those with a truly bad playfield. The frenzy on here, while understandable to a certain extent, is also quite over the top. Give Stern a chance to make it right. Can't speak for JJP as I have not been a customer, but I have not seen an example of a populated playfield replacement from them.
Over the top is yet to come...
I all most pulled the trigger on a Cat woman B66.. glad I didnt now.
Hope Stern help you out on this like they should!
Quoted from WillSmuz8999:
Yes, a clear seal coat is applied to the playfield on all sides prior to any printing. That is the problem with all these playfields where the art is coming up. The digitally applied ink is adhering to the seal coat, but the seal coat is not bonding well to the wood (understatement). I know in the past, a clear polyester layer was added to the wood first, and then lightly sanded to remove any pimples and make the seal coat layer smooth. This is an inter-adhesion problem with between the wood board and the seal coat. The soft top layer clear coat is a separate issue.
This makes sense, have wondered why the underside of these new playfields were clear coated
Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:
It's important on games that have a problem but until someone gathers the data and shares it we don't know how widespread the issues are.
I think the closest guess you could make would be pick games that had known production runs like the LE versions. Even then you probably couldn't inspect more than 10% of them. Put the data in a spreadsheet and see if any trends emerge.
Of the 4 I own with these new playfields
Im at 50% soon to be 75%
IMDN LE & Munsters LE have Pooling and BK3 is o.k though BK3 looks to be on it's way
SW pro o.k
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