I hate to say this but I advise everyone buying a used pin made in the last 3-5 years to ask if there is any PF pooling/bubbling or chippping. That way you are covered if you receive a pin with these issues. If the pin manufacturers think people are mad now just wait till a lot of these defective machines hit the used market and people don’t want to buy them even at a big discount. So much for pins holding their value. To me this PF issue is the worst thing to hit modern pinball. Going to get ugly.....

I,ll take it a step further and say these manufacturers are only putting down those ugly washers because they are well aware of the pooling. Trying to hide the problem long enough to get out of warranty maybe. Give me a break. I,m going to get my pitchfork......

“Hey they are noticing the bad clear on our playfields “
“ They are?”
“Yes I bunch of pooling and chipped PF pics are going up online”
“ Just release a new code update to distract them”
“Will do”

Yup high quality wood and clear still exists. Question is do you pay for it.......

And JJP’s new WW code update just dropped.....

If the mix/process is not correct the clear will never cure to a hard surface. I doubt this is a curing issue.

This is similar to my story. I was big into pinball in the mid 80s to early 2000s. I come back in after being out 15 years and see all these quality issues with pins. The clear issue was the kicker. A game of physics played with a steel ball crashing around can only be watered down so much as far as quality materials. Obviously manufacturers have ignored this and now will probably reap what they sow.

I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that huge dollars where spent on new tech and equipment for a new way to clear PFs. So much money that it would be hard to admit it doesn’t work and walk away. This is the type of situation in business when you might keep putting defective product out the door. All the while knowing it is not working. Pinball R&D certainly has gone backwards in recent years.

Your post is quite ironic in that just because a pin is pretty doesn’t mean the hood won’t always be up. Like in your pic.

I’ve been saying for three months it’s a mix/process issue.

Thing is Stern has sent out populated PFs for similar issues. Now there is precedent on the matter. So now Stern and JJP have to show their response to the clear issue around the same time. What do you think JJP customers are going to do when they see Stern send out populated PFs? They will lose their ****. And for good reason. At that point I would mention lawsuit cause JJPs lawyers would tell them they have no chance of winning this one.

Agreed. Though not technically under warranty the optics of Stern resolving this issue by sending populated PFs while JJP doesn’t will absolutely kill JJPs reputation. I know Stern has sent out some populated PFs in the past and it didn’t ruin JJP but this time it is front and center in the Pinball world. Many seem to be affected and how could those people be expected to forgive JJP if they don’t get what Stern offers to its customers. In some cases JJP pins are double the price of Stern.

I think I see enough in there to expect coverage. The PF is a part. And it is defective.

Here’s an idea. How about Stern gets its quality back up to say Lord of the Rings. And JJP gets its quality back up to the Hobbit. That’s a start. If I am being honest these quality issues with JJP and Stern really have me rooting for Spooky,CGC,American etc to take a bigger piece of the pie. Now better quality might be something those pin companies can tout over the top two.
Competition is good. It breeds innovation, builds better quality and holds accountable those who take advantage.

Seems crazy to me that I can’t seem to get a Stern with a PF that has the quality of Lord of the Rings. And a JJP with a PF that has the quality of the Hobbit which I think was their best PF attempt overall. Think about that for a minute. Going backwards on purpose. Why would they do this. I’m guessing to save money. For those who say it is not the manufacturers fault because you can’t make a good PF today due to regulations well Spooky just proved that theory wrong. Those with machines on route and tournament players will let the pin companies off the hook for poor build quality. I hope these pin companies have the numbers with those two groups to make their business model work because they are going to lose a lot of collectors if this is the new level of quality in pinball. They are way behind the quality they had just 7-10 years ago. Something is very wrong when that happens.

I guess because it’s obvious that cost cutting for more profit has been going on for some time now. Especially for Stern. The manufacturers know what things are inferior to what they once were. So you have good clear on Hobbit and you change something? Smells like more cost cutting. So yes I feel the drop in quality including PFs is on purpose. They think. How far can we push the envelope on cost cutting to increase profit. Well guess what. That ballon just popped. People aren’t even asking for better quality really. That are asking for the build quality they had 10 years ago. We all know we could have at least that if the manufacturers wanted to put quality over highest profit margin. They must think people are dumb. It’s time for the chickens to come home to roost. These manufacturers have been pushing their luck for years.

I just call it DEFECTIVE

So you are saying all these quality issues we are seeing on modern games including clearcoat are a result of bad luck in new processes and not a direct result of cost cutting? Cheaper wood, cheaper metals, cheaper plastics. These are things we know are inferior to past machines and they are because of cost cutting. Maybe the clearcoat issue was bad luck but they knew about it and did nothing. You can only lower quality so far until you reach a breaking point with customers. You are witnessing that now. I am looking at manufacturers other than JJP and STERN because of their dropping quality. Cost cutting leading to obvious lower quality is why I am looking elsewhere. It is possible you are too close to this to be objective.....or good at lying to yourself. Either way you are not talking me and others out of our positions. They are logical reasonable positions. Truth is some like you just don’t want to hear it.

Collectors are a fickle bunch. Push your luck too much and you can lose a lot of them and fast. Also high quality is important to a lot of collectors. They like lots of things built with high quality and have a good eye for quality. The notion that you had to be an operator of pins in the 90s to understand the quality of the machines today is quite silly to me. People who know quality can easily see where something has been downgraded over time. If and it’s a big if another pin company comes along with a higher quality product a percentage of collectors will go there. That’s in some collectors nature. If some of these companies don’t mind losing people that’s fine. But they better hope the percentage isn’t too high or it will really effect their bottom line and kill all that profit gained by cost cutting. Good luck to Stern and JJP but I am out until they bring their quality back up.

Still waiting for the Steve Richie in sunglasses video saying this is normal and has always been acceptable. Again.....

That video is incredibly damning for Jack. He said the PF is the whole machine. Backing up those who call the PF the heart of every machine. That video alone would sink Jack if there ever was a court case. I would tell Jack I wanted a populated PF or refund on my whole machine. And I would send that video clip to him. These manufacturers are unbelievable. And it looks like it finally caught up to them. Good for the customers. I would keep pushing to be made whole by JJP.

You could buy a NIB Adams Family for around 2K. I find it very hard to believe a 90s W/B quality pin couldn’t be made for 10K.

Well I am glad this clear issue on Sterns isn’t widespread like they said. Geez.

Stern must have meant they only had a documented clear issue on 7 or 8 Machines.

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I miss any? Crazy what these manufacturers have been trying to get away with.

I won’t even think the issue has been resolved until I see machines going out without those f****** washers on it. It is an admission of guilt having those washers under the posts.

Does CGC/Spooky really use better wood in their playfields? If so good for them. Competition is good for quality. Step it up Stern.

So same clear but it will be tougher to notice around post? What about the rest of the playfield? Why do I have bad feeling someone invested big money in a new clear system and they don’t want to abandon it. I still don’t feel confident. Would be nice to actually hear what they are doing formula wise. I know...I know. Admitting guilt.

It very well is an ink adhesion and clear issue. The clear is soft and you can put a nail in it. That’s not correct for clearcoat.

But Stern said this wasn’t widespread.............

Amen
Seems like this is what Spooky did which is bad optics for those who decide not to do so and still have subpar PFs

Pooling without chipping still denotes a clear that is too soft and not up to the reasonable standard in PF clear through the years of pinball. That would mean the clear is defective/bad/wrong. Use whatever word you like but customers should not have to settle on a NIB machine with clear not meeting a common sense standard based on many many years of pins with good clear.

In all fairness your avatar pic does look a lot like Steve Richie from behind.

Not covering the playfield under warranty will only hurt Stern long term. Many,many people just won’t buy NIB from them. That’s not going to hurt Sterns bottom line. I doubt that.

It is completely reasonable to expect a pin I buy in 2019 has at least the quality of one made in the 1990’s. These companies making subpar pins these days are an embarrassment to what made in USA used to mean.

The lunchbox has better art than the new JP.

Rooting for everyone but Stern and JJP right now. Hope the smaller companies steal a whole bunch of sales from Stern and JJP. That’s what they deserve for putting out subpar quality machines.

Take away all the hype that Stern creates and you are left with machines of a very low quality compared to pins of the last 30 years. I hope they lose a lot of customers to the companies that are making better quality pins. Maybe then Stern will make games like LOTR again. I honestly think the games of the last few years have been junk quality wise.

What happened to sending out populated PFs? That is what Stern did before with similar issues. Stern has watered down just about every part of a pinball machine and now they water down their PF replacement policy. I wouldn’t give them my money. No way.

No I would say Stern actually sent precedent by giving out populated PF’s in the past well before Jersey Jack ever sent out anything. Stern just used what Jersey Jack did recently to stop giving populated PF’s. What Stern is now saying to customers is “we used to do the right thing but because another company chose to do the wrong thing we will just do that now”. Unreal folks.

Fine then Stern already set precedent by giving out populated PF’s in the past for defective playfields. Stern is hoping for people who don’t know that fact. It’s a joke. A bad bad joke.

Stern knows it should replace the defective PF’s with populated ones. Know how I know.......cause that’s exactly what they used to do. And no that would be incorrect to say the ability to replace defective products is dependent on how many defective products. That’s why you don’t put out defective products.Because a group of angry customers could take up a case action lawsuit against you. And since Stern already set a type of precedent by giving out populated PF’s for defective ones they would definitely lose that case. You tell me how they would explain that away. No frustration here. Just truth.

You don’t know this for sure so why do you keep saying this. Can’t tell if everything is right with the clear until these new machines get a bunch of plays on them and stand up over time.

So Stern started using thicker bad clearcoat to make sure they had as much space as possible between the steel ball and their downgraded soft ass wood playfields? That caused pooling and chipping. So now they go back to a thin layer of bad clearcoat which exposes their cheap soft ass wood PFs with craters. They haven’t fixed anything. Stern makes the lowest quality pins on the market and they are playing all the pinheads like a fiddle. Those buying Sterns are being taken IMO. But hey at least your current FOMO is gone.........until the next sub par release.

Bring on the defense team. Most of them have trouble being objective because
A. They own a bunch of Sterns and have a lot of money tied up in machines
B. Are operators who rely on Stern for new machines to excite their customers
C. Are tournament players who have pinball as the biggest part of their personality and Stern is top dog sponsoring tournaments. Don’t bite the hand that feeds.

I just judge the current pins against those I played and owned in the 90s. It’s pretty obvious the current Sterns are sub par machines. And who actually cares who the Stern talent is when they have the lowest budget in the business and the designers can’t really do what they want in designing a pin. Stern is mostly hype with very little substance. By hey they make the most machines so they must make the best.........

First let me say I appreciate you recognizing I have it all figured out. As for how I feel about your generic dinosaur game. It is a good shooter but has low quality, little to no assets and the art package is sub par. Maybe you don’t understand how many collectors of high priced items operate. The highest of quality is expected.. Cars ,watches, motorcycles or most other mech items. Doesn’t matter. Most serious collectors expect high quality. With Stern you can clearly see where they dropped quality for profit margin. That can be a deal breaker for some who would own something expensive. So no gameplay is not factored into quality. They are completely separate and for some if the high quality is not there they don’t want to own it. Play at a barcade sure.....but not to own.

You seem to be the only one calling people names. You don’t like what you are hearing and are throwing a fit over it. I am sure plenty of folks here can see that. You don’t like my argument on things how about a logical counter argument. Nope your going to call people pretentious and dramatic. My substance vs your substance. Let’s see if you can actually do that. You are just trying to discredit people because you can’t win the argument. People will see this.

I have been on this forum for less than 1 year but I have been on other Internet forums for over 10 years. I have seen every tactic there is for when someone will try to discredit someone or silence someone because they can’t win the argument. This is what you are attempting in this thread with me right now. I advise you try to win on the merits of the argument instead of trying to win on some sort of half assed technicality like discredit or shame. BTW “ wildly pretentious “? You sure I am the dramatic one?

I am not affluent nor was I speaking about affluent people. People who buy old muscle cars care about high quality. When things are made with things like metal and wood the quality of those materials matter greatly. Most serious collectors of high dollar mechanical items care about high quality. They should care. Pinball seems to be one of the rare cases of where some or many people are excepting low quality for a high dollar mechanical item. Again throwing in the word affluent to try to make me look like some ultra rich out of touch person. The look guys he is not one of us forum tactic to discredit. How about you try and tell me how Stern’s quality hasn’t actually gone down and here are the facts to prove that. I call it like I see it and I see lower quality and less assets as prices climb.

I am sure you are a nice guy and I don’t want you to think I have it in for you but man do you have this whole thing completely backwards. IMO the ONLY thing that has made Stern reverse course or consider fixing a defect is PUBLIC outcry on forums and podcasts. What you want is actually what Stern wants. Everything hidden so when they do nothing no one knows any different. Stern just hopes the fact they release a shiny new object every 4 months or so will just shift attention from the problems with their previous release to FOMO over the new release. For the last 10 years Stern’s business model is to continue to cut cost in order to increase profit. And it shows with the obvious decline in the quality of their machines.

Telling people to not speak up publicly is the absolute worst thing you could tell consumers to do in today’s day and age if they want companies to do right by them. I have to wonder if people realize just how little respect a pin company has to have for its customer base to knowingly put out machines with bad PFs. Stern and JJP know damn well that the playfield is the MOST important piece of every pin. It is absolutely disgraceful. And people should stay quiet and politely email Stern? These quality issues by Stern and JJP are not unknown to the companies involved. They know what they are doing and are just seeing what they can get away with all in the name of higher profits. Not only should people speak publicly they should speak more often. The next best thing to not buying a NIB from Stern or JJP is a threat that you won’t buy if things don’t change. Those pictures on public forums of bad PFs are probably the most effective way to get peoples point across to these pin companies. Don’t listen to those who try and silence you. They are misguided.

Stern has the best manufacturing plant in the business by a long shot. Yet they currently make the lowest quality pins in the business. Think about that for a minute. The low quality going out the door isn’t as simple as the QC dept missing things. The cut cost for larger and larger profits is absolutely deliberate. They know exactly what they are doing and don’t seem to care what their customers think. Money is king. Stern just wants it’s customers to think about theme and code. Of course they do. Those two things are subjective and no real answers can be reached. Stern doesn’t want to talk about materials used now compared to the past or number of mechs/features now compared to the past. On those subjects real answers can be reached because it is not subjective.

But someone like you who’s views about how to deal with Stern are clearly part of the problem should be free to speak. Give me a break.

Trying to encourage people to not speak publicly about their issues is certainly part of the problem. Go back and read some of what you wrote man. You have respect for those who stay on the sidelines. Venting on Pinside is therapeutic but will have no effect on Stern. Send a polite email and they will listen. You are obviously more worried about Sterns well being over the poor customers who have been screwed. You have switched from trying to discredit me because I haven’t been a member here long enough to have a legitimate view or I am affluent ( still trying to figure out how that discredits someone) to just telling me to stop talking. You have some nerve. I advise you stop trying to silence people.

Nobody is getting perfect playfields from Stern. I don’t believe it for a second. Some might have their issues delayed a bit but I don’t believe they got a good playfield while others got a crap one. The materials and process are flawed so all playfields will have issues at some point. All Stern did was start with thin defective clear which led to ridiculous dimpling. Then they went to a thicker defective clear which led to pooling and chipping. So they say to themselves well we got away with the obscene dimpling before so let’s just go back to that. Steve Richie told everyone dimpling was normal and they actually bought it so we go back to where we were before the thick clear. Nothing has been fixed.....

Are these all original playfields? Any repros in the mix?

Just watched this Steve Richie video again. Wow! That video is going to follow him around for many years. What a crock! If my 90’s W/B had dimples I didn’t notice them. If they were there they must have been so small and shallow that I didn’t notice them at all. Some of the pictures in here the dimples/craters are huge and very deep. The degree of difference in dimples can be extreme. People might have been able to deal with almost undetectable dimples but won’t stand for obvious deep craters all over the playfield. Steve Richie will probably regret putting out that video. Makes him look bad.....real bad. I understand the dark glasses now. The eyes tell all. Again Wow!

I would say ALL pin manufacturers are on notice for producing quality playfields. Sterns look the worst IMO but some of the CGC playfields look real bad also. These pin companies would be foolish to ignore the outrage of this issue. It is not going away. From what I am seeing Spooky is doing the best with PF quality but I will have to see more examples to be sure. Honestly I haven’t seen many AP pins so wouldn’t comment on them. The company who makes the best quality pins will have an advantage going forward IMO. At least for my dollars they will.

So it is pretty obvious softer wood is being used to make modern playfields. What I would really like to know is can the harder wood still be acquired for a higher price or are these pin manufacturers just unwilling to pay the higher price for harder wood. After we know that we can move on to the issues with the clearcoat. It is either just the wood or a combination of the wood and clear. I lean towards a combination of the two but I am not sure what the percentage of blame goes to wood or clear.

You are saying the harder/aged wood is gone? Not saying your wrong but I would like to hear more about this. Obviously Spooky is making a tougher playfield compared to Stern so I wonder what the wood options are out there. And is there one better yet more expensive that could be chosen. I believe there has to be a way to get the hardness of the 90’s playfields.

You said you used Baltic Birch? Is that the best out there? Do you or anyone here know what was used in the 90’s wood wise?

Well it seems like Spooky found some better harder wood so I am not so sure all the good wood is gone. More needs to be looked into this subject IMO. I also still think bad clear is a part of this equation. Wood might be a bigger factor but super soft clear you can put your nail through isn’t correct either. Spooky making better/harder playfields kind of fly’s in the face of all the harder wood is gone. Does it not. I am thinking the better wood just got harder/more expensive to source but I really don’t believe you can’t get it even if you wanted.

I am sorry but if it was the speed of the ball in modern Sterns causing these dimples wouldn’t they ALL have the same degree of dimpling. Some seem to have very little to none. How is that possible if ALL the machines are fast. Materials have been degraded across the board with Stern and others. The playfield issues are just an extension of the overall downgrading of materials.

If the dimples were large and deep enough they might cause a slight change in direction.

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Do you know if this is an original or remake playfield? BTW this one doesn’t look too bad. Just some slight dimpling.

So all pins have some degree of dimpling so the subject is a closed case and shouldn’t even be discussed? I feel like every time someone says all pins dimple they want people to think that’s the whole story. It is not. There is a big difference in accepting some slight shallow dimples that are barely visible to a ton of huge deep craters I am seeing from Stern and others. That’s like saying someone who loses their temper once in a while is the same as someone who constantly screams at people. Those are not close. One is something you could live with and the other is not.

Spooky is at least showing they are trying to improve their quality with every title they put out. They may continue to improve quality as they go. That says something to me. That’s the formula I want to see from ALL pin companies in the future.

It is a combination of wood and clear. It is a known fact lesser woods are being used and kruzmans clear technique seems to make a much harder playfield so I would say the clear matters. I don’t even want to get into the new printing processes possible effect on art lifting. It seems to be a total mess all around.

Probably just an optical illusion.........

What you don’t like the restaurant kids placemat art style?

50 plays. Like new.

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Nope. From the Marketplace.

So with a simple phone call Mirco can just start making perfect playfields for JJP but not Stern? That doesn’t sound quite right to me. Need a lot more detail than Jack made a phone call before I believe JJP is all set on PF quality. Did they change wood type/quality? Is the clear different? New process? Why didn’t Mirco just start making perfect playfields for Stern if all it took was a phone call? Call me skeptical on your claim.

I hope you are right. I am a big fan of what JJP is trying to build. As far as Stern goes seems like they don’t really want people to know where their playfields are done. That is yet another suspicious move by them. I still think Mirco is involved at some level.

Thanks for the info. Clears up a few things for me.

This would be great news for JJP and pinball customers if they got the playfield issues sorted.

Sledgehammer to new playfield? The times they are a changing. Competition breeds better quality. Or at least an attempt at better

Or someone could just call Balcer or whatever the name of the company Spooky uses for their current playfields and ask if a hard enough wood can be sourced for the top veneer of the playfield. Since Spooky has seen improvement I say that yes for a price hard wood can still be sourced. It’s probably about money with certain companies using a harder wood on their playfield.

Stern pinball: IKEA quality at ETHAN ALLEN prices.......

Stern better figure out a way to replace all the customers they are losing lately. They will feel the pain at some point. This is just slow creep. People are figuring it out that Stern machines are not worth buying. The army is shrinking.......

Cause they have plenty of left over parts from the SW pins that never sold.......Stern is a bad joke to me. Tide has turned.

Thank you for being honest and willing to talk about the issues on your podcast. I will listen to an advocate for the customer any day of the week.

Please explain to us all how Spooky got around this forced switch to water based clears? They make great playfields now. If they can make good PF’s so can everyone else. No?

Care to elaborate on how you would know this.....

Do you own any machines from the 90’s? I am starting to think you may not have the reference material to rate current pin quality. Is that what is going on with you?

Your responses make more sense now. Imagine for a moment you had actually seen the overall quality of pins go way down over the years. Imagine for a moment actually seeing the value you get from your pins go down over the years. Prices shoot way up at the same time quality takes a nosedive. Imagine for a moment what others with more experience might think of the the current situation with pins.

The metals and plastics can be less robust and break easier. In some cases the cabinet is less robust. A lot of flipper assemblies don’t feel as solid to me also. And playfields are not just another component of a pin. They are THE COMPONENT of a pin....Nothing matters more IMO.

Bravo Nick from Buffalo pinball. You were honest and told the truth. Sorry but weak sauce from Kevin. Didn’t come off as being totally honest.

You feel exactly the same way? You feel putting washers down to hide the problem with the clear is a real solution? It is not. Other chipping could easily happen away from the posts eventually. Kevin seems like a real nice guy but that’s not the point. Seemed he was stuck in the middle of telling the obvious truth and trying to cover for the manufacturers. He talked mostly about what was good for the manufacturers. There is enough profit margin to fix the clear issue. Sticking up for the manufacturers only hurts the consumer in this case. It needs to stop IMO.

This is literally the first picture in this thread. Pooling outside the washers. This is the SOLUTION you speak of? Please just stop.

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Here are some more from page 2 of this thread. Pooling outside the washers. Imagine that. “ Washers are the solution”. God lord people.

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Word is more and more GnR pins are affected by pooling/chipping. So much for that one and only prototype theory. Wake up people. Stop buying until this is fixed.

**** washers. They are not a solution and look like crap.

How about some closeup pics around the slings? I would like to see this.

Well,I am a long time fisherman so......

Mirco will bury JJP. They need to get someone else fast.

So you keep coming into a thread about playfield issues to tell people how they should discuss the issue? Or say don’t be negative about an issue that is only seen as negative to any sane person? This isn’t a fanboy thread. You and a couple others in here look foolish. You are in the minority by a lot with your playfield issues are no big deal garbage. Again this is a thread to discuss playfield issues and how they make you feel if that’s ok with you.

So I haven’t been here in a while no was wondering if JJP playfield issues have been resolved as of machines going out today. How have the GNR CE machines been. Hoping to get a POTC rerun if released or possibly a Toy Story if playfields are of the highest quality. Fingers crossed. All comments and responses appreciated.

So is a Spooky the only pin company making great playfields at the moment? What a disgrace Stern and JJP are. The playfield is the heart of every pin.

I honestly can not believe these crappy playfields are still going out from Stern and JJP. It is easily the worst thing I have ever seen in pinball over many years. If you don’t have a good quality playfield you don’t have a good pin. It’s that simple.

I find it hard to believe that some playfields are 100% fine while others have pooling/chipping. IMO most if not all the playfields will eventually have the same negative issues.

Funny you mention you be you. Cause you act like you just found you a few years ago when you started in the pin hobby. Just because you like your new pin persona doesn’t mean you have to defend all the pinball companies showing poor quality in different areas. Don’t worry the industry won’t go away just because a pin company is held accountable for poor quality. Both can survive. You can still be Pin Derek...........

Seems to me Mirco just doesn’t want to eat the money for his very expensive DTS. Which was a complete failure. We need to go back to the old way of ink adhesion IMO. While they are at it make sure your clear is as good as you can make it. If it takes longer. So be it. I would rather wait a little longer for the correct product without massive defects. B/W pumped out plenty of machines while maintaining high quality playfields. So I don’t want to hear it can’t be done. Profits and greed are the only reasons the powers that be are leading you to believe they couldn’t stay in business with similar systems of manufacturing to B/W of the 90’s.

He is trying to protect his resale value if he sells his defective games. A lot of people are doing this. They know the problem is quite real and severe but just don’t want to admit such.

Let me repeat this again. For those who bought the last 3 JJP games. Most if not all of you will have lifting artwork at some point in the near future. The process is heavily flawed and it is just a scientific fact in the end. Sad but true.

Those pesky customers not wanting a defective playfield that can’t be fixed. The nerve of some people.

I quoted your post that was full of snark. Too funny. Some people have zero self awareness these days………