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Continued playfield issues with JJP and Stern

By f3honda4me

4 years ago


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#43 4 years ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

6-12 months apparently. ... Longer to be safe. Cant remember where I read that, but it was given advice. (Mirco)
There is no possible way these manufacturers are allowing their new releases to cure for anywhere near this amount of time.

It should not take this long no matter what. Prior to GB, does anyone really think Stern was sitting on playfields for the next hotness for 6-12 months before assembling and selling them?

I have cleared a few older games with a rather generic PPG Omni clear, not even the one suggested by Vid, and they do not fail the thumb nail test after 2 weeks. One game is part of a project that isn't playable yet, but the other game has a few hundred plays and is doing just fine.

There are products out there that will protect the way we expect without warping and chipping. These manufacturers need to get this figured out, even if it's a few pennies more a game. The playfield is the most important part of the game.

#51 4 years ago

Stern seems to have a much higher rate of acceptable playfields. They also have a history of sending out replacements to those affected by poor quality playfields that were in customers' games. I would feel comfortable buying a Stern at this point.

JJP has offered half price playfields to customers that have had issues. These playfields often fail the thumbnail tests and are basically no different than the failed playfields in the games. I would not feel comfortable buying at JJP game NIB or used from recent titles because of this.

Both companies make really appealing games, but I have to consider many things when looking at games to get.

#213 4 years ago
Quoted from JodyG:

I'm really starting to think this is a heat and humidity issue during manufacturing. The Stern factory is likely not air conditioned, and we know these JP games were built in the last week or two, when we have had some very hot weather. Does the new water borne clear suck humidity back no into it if applied in a heavy layer? Does the heavy layer not fully cure under the current curing conditions at the playfield factory? Is the water based clear sucking humidity back into itself again after the normal curing process at the factory?
Is the clear trapping the humidity in the wood and causing a delamination of the printing and softer clear coat? I had a gottlieb machine once that spent time outdoors under roof on a golf course in Maryland humidity. When I went to mask the playfield for touch-up, the playfield artwork came up in sheets and completely delaminated from the wood when I removed the mask. I believe the humidity wicked into the wood and caused the ink and clear coat to release itself. Could this be happening with the new clear coat?

Mirco makes JJP playfields. They are based in Germany.

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