Is there are simple and cheap way home owners can deal with this?

Touch up with clear nail polish or something?

There is a dedicated forum for this. It's called Pinside.

So don't!

Not saying there aren't issues here and there but people are going out of their way to ruin their enjoyment of their machines these days.

I just canceled my Hulu subscription, after paying for it for 3 months. The "free trial" gets me every goddamn time. I'm just too lazy to be trusted.

Oh yeah?

Well here in America we got FREEDOM baby!

So we got that going for us at least.

I get it!

The pinball companies are all con artists!

Clever.

End of the summer blues...people are frazzled from their upcoming Fantasy Football drafts, and of course, impending time with the in-laws for labor day stuff?

Something is going on, that's for sure!

Why are you asking us? Contact Cointaker.

It's not about doing a playfield swap. It's about having a NOS playfield to "throw in" on a future sale of the game if someone complains about the playfield in the game that's being sold.

Nobody really cares about these playfields and minor imperfections most people can't or won't notice, it's all about resale. Nobody is swapping their playfields, they are just sitting on the NOS ones they get from Stern. Plus, they "got something outta Stern" which also provides some peace of mind.

Has anybody explored who is making the Punny Factory playfields?

You won't hear that because of all the petty things tournament players whine about, the non-existent issue of "dimples" isn't one of them. This is strictly the purview of insane newbies and the people who love them.

I don't know dude...I googled "QC issues Golden Tee" and a bunch of stuff came up!!!

Hope your track ball doesn't malfunction. Seems to be an issue!!!!

You Goetz what you deserve.

This makes even less sense than "tree huger."

I wouldn't worry about it the back of your playfield will never show any dimpling so it's a wash.

Looking forward to the thread where everybody removes everything from the underside of their Stern playfields so we can compare the quality.

LMAO!

Clearly you missed out on the "is a tournament game HUO" thread. Tensions ran very high.

Well, on the zaphX Forum, it's not an issue up for debate, but here, clearly many people had different opinions.

I'm just curious if playfields dimple or pool or inserts ghost more in tournament use than in basement use.

You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll shake your fists angrily at the screen!

Relive and contribute to the "HUO Show Game" debate thread here!

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/is-a-nib-huo-game-still-huo-if-you-take-it-to-a-show-to-the-freeplay-a#post-5356122

I look forward to more playfield smashing in 2020.

How will deep root outdo the completion? A bowling ball? Maybe drive over it with a Hyundai?

It’s an exciting time to be alive In pinball if you are into people assaulting large plastic wafers with tools and machinery!

What, that big white welt after the love tap with the hammer?

Yes I am seeing it.

I just don't care as this whole thing is a joke. Haggis pinball will never become a thing and neither will thick plastic playfields.

Dude, stick around, the hobby desperately needs quality hobbyists like you!

Are you giving up on Deep Root already?! That was fast.

I like how the Dimpling Brigade had to invent a new term - Cratering - as they weren't having enough luck scaring people away from buying pinball machines. It's a good move as people are predisposed to liking dimples as they are cute, and craters bring to mind far more sinister things like the endless void of space and the horrifying effects of war.

I look forward to other terrifying terms such as Valleying, Quarrying, Sinkholing, and huge giant pitting.

I know I wouldn't accept any product with qualities like that! Unless I was shopping for a Quarry I guess.

You say that all the time. So they should be out of business within a year I reckon?

There's zero evidence that Stern is selling fewer games, so no sure why you keep saying this?

That's rather personal isn't it?!?!

I think I paid around $6000 for an Indiana Jones with dimpling, edging, ghosting, and a little chipping, not to mention a decal covering a little PF wear. Great game to play.

Sold it for $8500.

None of this shit matters to anybody outside a couple dozen hardcore lunatics on Pinside. I've yet to see any significant "dimpling" discounts around here - I suspect you took a loss on your Batman not due to "cratering" but due to the tights and the fact that you wanted it gone quickly. I must have missed that FS thread.

We know that! Everything sucks in pinball especially old man themes and the lame-os who love them and you don't want to be part of such a lame club except you won't leave and always come back.

What does this have to do with dimpling, cratering, and sinkholing?

But I know a bunch of people who bought their first new Sterns over the past few months. I know a guy who doesn't post on Pinside who bought 4 NIB sterns over the past year. Maybe there's others like him!

I'm not sure there's any net losses going on here. If Stern starts shedding employees and releasing fewer games I'd say that's tangible evidence that "the stern army is shrinking." Otherwise seems like a lot of confirmation bias.

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Not sure how any of that equals “fear and instability.” If they aren’t “stable” no other pinball company is and it will all be over soon. Again. Like Every week.

But hey they don’t have a buffer to survive 10 flops in a row during “lean times” which are coming soon. Just like last week. So yeah I guess you have a point.

Wait! You have no point!

Also stranger things is selling. Rushed or not.

Why did they vault iron man? For the same reason a dog licks his balls. Cause they can.

Why do people so desperately want to believe Stern is on the precipice of failure? What could indulging in that perpetually unfulfilled fantasy possibly bring into peoples lives?

I’d just like to say that These issues are normal.

Good point. By producing only novelty videos of people love-tapping plexiglass "playfields" with home-improvement tools, and not actually making pinball machines, Stern indeed would "just end all this crap."

I think this is why most people with these issues want a new playfield.

Well here's the thing:

Pinball isn't cars. It's super different than cars, in countless number of ways. A backup mint playfield is worth more to a pinball owner than a backup mint fender is to a car owner.

Because cars and pinball machines are totally different.

Like all of the playfield freak outs of the past (remember “ghosting”?) everybody realizes it’s not a big deal, games still look and play fine, and we were all overreacting.

I seriously never notice this stuff until it’s pointed out. I played out BKSOR at the local bar for about 6 months before someone pointed the “pooling” out to me.

We all got stockholm syndrome now!

I’m really staring to sympathize with this virus.

Well the good news for the haters?

Stern - and everyone else - are producing zero pinball machines for now. So for the time being you won’t have to worry about any playfield issues.

Here’s a close up of my new la-z-boy.

Look at all these imperfections!!! Cracking. Dimpling. Some weird out of focus stuff. Various rippling.

I’m furious and I’m considering my legal options. If they ever start producing furniture again, we can never allow this kind of contempt for their customers!

This is what you get for a $1000 chair?! This is what we are expected to stomach?! Gary Recliner is LAUGHING at us. It won’t change until we take action.
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Then you don’t understand pinball.

People want the new game and they want it now.

That’s kind of the point for most NIB buyers.

Yo and 95 percent of everybody else I’d guess.

Hahahahaha wow

You seem to be in an anti-nostalgia k-hole tonight. You get stuck watching a too close for
Comfort marathon or something?

Remember the great Insert Ghosting Panic of 2017?

Did that go away or do we just not care anymore?

And just like that, NIB sales plummeted to a trickle.

It's not a pot shot. Just a shot fired at the idea that "Stop buying NIB pins people" is going to happen. It's a unrealistically simplistic.

You got a beef with JJP - like many others these days - but you are gonna have to work it out with them. Nobody is coming to your rescue with an en masse boycott.

He's kidding a bit!

You guys are a tough crowd.

The weird thing about all these shit playfields is where are the shit playfield discounts? I don't think I've ever seen a game with a "bad playfield" price, or I'd be buying left and right.

Are the victims simply not selling - going to their graves with their bad playfields rather than eating some money to get out? What gives?

Or at least a strongly worded moveon.org petition!

Nobody is saying that. But people keep making these apples and oranges comparisons of JJP - a small, young, struggling boutique manufacturer of niche products - to corporate behemoths that have been around for a century like VW and John Deere, and wondering why the level of support isn't the same. It seems pretty clear that these relatively tiny pinball companies don't have the same resources.

It's not. But stop wondering why they aren't eating billions of dollars to fix bad PR and why they aren't sending techs over to everybody's homes to fix issues. It's pretty obvious why they can't do the same things that VW and John Deere do.

Wow way to start the weekend on a high note!

Buyback?

More like bareback!!! Am I right?!?!

I’m pretty sure he did. Let’s just say they aren’t exactly in a rush to resolve these issues over there.

How'd it go down...someone just come and pick it up as is?

Wow iceman with the his/her exception?

The wokeman cometh!

There’s your solution to these playfield issues folks!

Just take terrible, blurry photos in the dark and all playfields look awesome!

We have at least one confirmed return at this point. Guy was close enough to the factory he could drive it back there.

These amateur buffoon videos are always hilarious, especially when people desperately latch onto them as anything that makes any kind of sense.

Remember that Australian lunkhead who had half of pinside conviced that all Stern spike games would be paperweights within 6 months?

It would certainly eliminate/decrease the chance of seeing any pooling/chipping for a year.

I kinda missed the home ec portion of this thread.

Irons?

Like...the kind of iron you use to smooth out wrinkles on clothes? How is this being done?

What in god's name are you people blathering about

Right, I'm sure he enjoys being harassed constantly on social media and pinball streams, and I'm sure he's looking forward to hearing endlessly about production issues he has nothing to do with once pinball shows start up again. It's good for him to hear this stuff!