you are on a roll today...your work in the angry thread was award winning

What's got everybody so jacked today? Fully mature(?) adult males getting keyboard-violent in a few threads.

What’s your closest airport

Pinside fight club! Oh yeah, it’s on!

Someone photoshop a sling post with a washer that touches the washer on the other side of the playfield.

Could they put the art on the washers? All metal playfields...wait, then the clear on the metal would bubble and we’d need a washer

Re: JJP vs Stern....sounds like if you are "waiting" to see how Stern handles it, the wait was over a couple weeks back.

Wait 1 year. Buy used game that NIB owner has fixed coil stops, springs etc. If there is flaking art, discount applied. Save $500-1000? for sure.

Of course you could get hit by truck in a year I guess....because of trucks.

How much per machine for a good coil stop for fuksake? Nobody said evil.

You realize your sample size is 1 right?

How are deadpools holding up? Any reports of this issue on those?

Do you have pics?

Selling LEs to those unaware of the issues—not meaning to say buying an LE is putzy.

Clear and art is rising up beyond edge of washer. If that continues, gets hit by ball or just from vibrations, it will crack, fall off and expose bare wood.

27 plays, 3 months, 3 years, that shouldn’t happen.

It’s called a defect. Depending on the product, consumers usually expect to be able to return an item, have repair done professionally at no charge, or get a partial refund. In pinball though, people apparently have various expectations ranging from rage to full support of the defective products

Or laugh it off and order an LE

I’ll help fund a t-shirt lot to be given out at entrance to Stern/JJP seminars.

White shirts, black lettering, “GOT POOLING?” or some such.

You got to grab their attention. A hundred people walking around with these would get the message across.

Throw that on the back, probably still applies

Let’s see it!

Be fair, they’re new at this

He said pooling was fixed, he did NOT say “flaking” was fixed. We need a flowchart.

I agree

That’s why they never make an announcement about “issues”. It would lock them in to making everyone whole and not just the squeaky wheels.

I assume they also hope people will just think it’s not worth the trouble and give up.

At this point you are coming across as a “pity party” for yourself. No offense, but you stated your position in several long posts. Seems like you just want to argue. You think pinside = babies, others think stern and Jjp are fleecing people with peeling paint. Both can be true.

That sucks. Has someone constructed a timeline of when the quality went downhill? At least as far as paint/clear goes?

It’s a head scratcher when you have much older games with perfect playfields. The RBION/POTC era sterns I’ve had were flawless with many more plays obviously.

That gets stated and accepted as fact, but not sure we know that for sure. That’s why I was wondering about a timeline by release as to when this started

So yes on GOT.

Copied this from pricing thread...so, going back to GOT. Any earlier than that? Kiss? WWE? TWD? I haven’t heard any on those. So around 2014-2015 was there a change?

2019
Similar release to Beatles and Batman 66 - no Pro's
September / 2019 / Elvira House of Horrors / Premium / $7999
September / 2019 / Elvira House of Horrors / LE (400 only) / $9599
September / 2019 / Elvira House of Horrors / Signature Edition ( 50 only) / Call For Price
July / 2019 / Jurassic Park / Pro / $5999
July / 2019 / Jurassic Park/ Premium / $7599
July / 2019 / Jurassic Park / LE (500 of) / $8999
July / 2019 / Star Wars "The Pin" / $4499 (Home Version Pin)
May / 2019 / Batman 66 / Premium (Catwoman Signature Edition) / $7999
May / 2019 / The Munsters / Premium (Colour Package) / $7599
March / 2019 / Black Knight: Sword of Rage / Pro / $5999
March / 2019 / Black Knight: Sword of Rage / Premium / $7599
March / 2019 / Black Knight: Sword of Rage / LE (600 of) / $8999
January / 2019 / The Munsters / Pro / $5999
January / 2019 / The Munsters / Premium (Black & White Art Package) / $7599
January / 2019 / The Munsters / LE (600 of)(Colour Package) / $8999
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2018
November / 2018 / Primus / Boutique Limited to 100 (Re-themed Whoa Nellie design game) / $7995
October / 2018 / Beatles / 1614 x Gold (Premium's) - $7999
Platnium & Diamond prices set by dealers so vary...
October / 2018 / Beatles / 250 x Platinum (LE's) - $10000 to $12500
October / 2018 / Beatles / 100 x Diamond (SLE's) - $20000 to $25000
August / 2018 / Deadpool / Pro $5,999
August / 2018 / Deadpool / Premium $7,599
August / 2018 / Deadpool / LE (500 of) $8,999
May / 2018 / Star Trek VE / Pro / $5995
May / 2018 / Star Trek VE / Premium / $7495
March / 2018 / Iron Maiden / Pro / $5999
March / 2018 / Iron Maiden / Premium / $7599
March / 2018 / Iron Maiden / LE (500 of) / $8999
February/ 2018 / "Supreme" / Boutique (Re-themed Spiderman "The Pin" design game) / $10.5k with 200 made (apparently)
January / 2018 / AC/DC VE / Premium LUCI / $7699
These games now have the removable window for the Premium playfield
...............................................................................
2017
October / 2017 / Guardians of the Galaxy / Pro / $ 6,199
October / 2017 / Guardians of the Galaxy / Premium / $7,899
October / 2017 / Guardians of the Galaxy/ LE / $8,999
June / 2017 / Star Wars / Pro / $6199
June / 2017 / Star Wars / Premium / $7899
June / 2017 / Star Wars / LE (800) / $8999
May / 2017 / AC/DC VE / Pro / $6099
May / 2017 / AC/DC VE / Premium / $7699
These games now have slightly different are and the removable window for the Premium playfield
January / 2017 / Aerosmith / Pro / $6199
January / 2017 / Aerosmith / Premium / $7899
January / 2017 / Aerosmith / LE (500) / $8999
...............................................................................
2016
September / 2016 / Spiderman "The Pin" / $3800 (Home Version Pin)
First game with LCD Display, not a DMD
August / 2016 / Batman 66 / Pro - not available this time around
August / 2016 / Batman 66 / Premium / $8599
August / 2016 / Batman 66 / LE (240 only) / $9999
August / 2016 / Batman 66 / Super LE (30 + 50 only due to demand) / $14999
July / 2016 / PBR "Can Crusher" / Boutique (Re-themed Whoa Nellie design game) / $6995
March / 2016 / Ghostbusters / Pro / $5995
March / 2016 / Ghostbusters / Premium / $7595
March / 2016 / Ghostbusters / LE / $8795
January / 2016 / Spiderman VE (Comic Version) / $7595
...............................................................................
2015
September / 2015 / Game of Thrones / Pro / $5995
September / 2015 / Game of Thrones / Premium / $7595
September / 2015 / Game of Thrones / LE / $8795
May / 2015 / Kiss / Pro / $5995
May / 2015 / Kiss / Premium / $7595
May / 2015 / Kiss / LE / $8795
March / 2015 / Whoa Nellie / Boutique / $6499
January / 2015 / WWE / Pro / $5495
January / 2015 / WWE / LE / $8595
.................................................................................
2014
December / 2014 / The Walking Dead / Premium / $7595
September / 2014 / The Walking Dead / Pro / $5995
September / 2014 / The Walking Dead / LE / $8595
August / 2014 / Metallica / Pro LED / $5595
June / 2014 / Iron Man VE / Pro / $5495
March / 2014 / Mustang / Pro / $5395
March / 2014 / Mustang / Premium / $7495
March / 2014 / Mustang / LE / $8495
..................................................................................
2013
December / 2013 / AC/DC Luci Premium / $7495
September / 2013 / Star Trek / Pro / $5395
September / 2013 / Star Trek / Premium / $7495
September / 2013 / Star Trek / LE / $8795
April / 2013 / Metallica / Pro / $4995
April / 2013 / Metallica / Premium / $6995 (2 models - Monsters & Road Case)
April / 2013 / Metallica / LE / $7595
Jan / 2013 / Avengers "The Pin" / $4000 (Home Version Pin)
..................................................................................
2012
November / 2012 / Avengers / Pro / $5699
November / 2012 / Avengers / LE (2 models) / $8099
October / 2012 / Transformers "The Pin" / $4000 (Home Version Pin)
June / 2012 / X-Men / Pro / $5699
June / 2012 / X-Men / LE (2 models) / $7999
March / 2012 / AC/DC / Pro / $5699
March / 2012 / AC/DC / Premium / $7699
March / 2012 / AC/DC / LE (2 models) / $8499
...................................................................................
2011
September / 2011 / Transformer / Pro / $4795
September / 2011 / Transformer / LE (3 models ?) / $6999
May / 2011 / Tron / Pro / $4799
May / 2011 / Tron / LE / $5999
January / 2011 / Rolling Stones / Pro / $4799
January / 2011 / Rolling Stones / LE / $5999
...................................................................................
2010
August / 2010 / Avatar / Pro / $4799
August / 2010 / Avatar / LE / $5999
LE's did not really exist before Avatar
April / 2010 / IronMan / Pro / $4799
April / 2010 / IronMan / Classic (Home) / $3799

Cars aren’t wood anymore though...wood is a mysterious substance that no manufacturer has been able to figure out. I can’t come up with any industry that has tried to paint graphics on wood. Nope.

Nope. Not one. The code has yet to be cracked

Brainstorm. Stern could release a Tony Hawk LE and the playfield could be built by a skateboard company. Just spitballing

Stern’s business plan is a mystery wrapped in a riddle covered in soft clearcoat...working though so what do I know?

What was home collector vs operator back then? Percentage. Probably flip flopped now.

Seems relevant in that an operator heavy client base that buys games in large quantities and writes them off would be vastly different than a bunch of home collectors with smaller quantities of games. More people to answer to and pickier people and that’s your growth market so you better make them happy.

So, in short, relevant

Obtuse

Just talking past each other so no worries.

Welcome to pinside btw, great to have another informed opinion in the mix. That container analogy was spot on. Lots of LE containers going out these days. I have had my eye on a super signature LE container myself. Hopefully the clear holds up now that they are marketing specifically to the discerning container collector. #containerside

Great!

What do you call 2 lawyers arguing in a pinball forum?

Following the JPLE thread, some games are fine, others having non clear coat related issues, haven’t heard any pooling lately but the sample size is literally 4 or 5 I think. I’d give it awhile myself.

No. You are wrong. Get it?

Repeatedly making specious, lawyerly sounding arguments doesn’t make people dropping $8k on a peeling playfield feel any better.

This dude played down to bare wood in 27 plays.....that’s what the issue is....not damaged HUO games from normal use forchristsakes. Intentionally obtuse?

Yeah, well...what’s your point? Oh, sorry you actually directly stated your point. Literally used the phrase “the point is”

Missed point again lol

Missed the point in that post too! You are on a roll, 0 for everything!

There isn’t a don’t get it club either. Quit talking out your ass. It’s more of a don’t get it loose association without a charter formed by individuals seeking high quality $8000 man toys. Sad world where demanding quality is a pejorative to some.

That’s just standard HUO wear right?

wall to wall hanging art

For JJP, Jack practically screamed do not remove posts with this issue happening...for what it’s worth

Should give the new QC director a sanding block to get those lines out.

Yet, if they had been able to mail their playfield to Stern, for Stern to swap...

There are several legit stern distros that sell via ebay. You not only can pay via cc that way and earn ebay bucks, you also have ebays customer-centric satisfaction guarantee

Maybe the LE should mean playfield warranty. I think CGC ups warranty with each model...maybe Stern does too, no idea.

It’s a lottery.

Might be effective even if it isn’t proper. They case by case this shit and do as little as possible and the general public knows little. If Stern defects were trending it might raise more of an alarm than a pinball podcast watched by 20 people. Of course all this is dependent on them caring and not having the market by the balls.