This issue is blowing up, has hit the talk-show circuit too...

https://www.captiongenerator.com/1495592/Has-Stern-taken-maximizing-profits-too-far

That's basically a courtesy to the credit card client. Unless it was something obvious like fraudulent activity, the investigation is still pending, and if the vendor makes a solid case and they side with them, they can return the charge to your card as well as potential interest/fees for not having paid it.

It's basically irrelevant. Paypal wants you to deal with them, but in almost all cases, it's easier and better for you to deal with your CC company. If you are good-willed and patient and have plenty of time left for chargeback, you can try working with Paypal first and if that doesn't work, you can still do the CC chargeback.

I'd sooner ask where are the pictures that show dimpling stopping at an insert and continuing on either side? I actually haven't seen those, would like to. But below is one that shows the dimpling running right across the insert.

Some are in the camp that the clear plays no role in dimpling, it's strictly related to the wood, and the wood hasn't change. The observations I've made over dozens of machines of all types suggest this can't be the case. Either the wood isn't consistent, or the clear plays a role in the dimpling too. Pictures like this suggest the latter.

afm-dimples (resized).jpg

The only relevant parts of either of our pictures are limited to where the light is hitting at the correct angle. You don't think the rest of the playfield of the pic I posted outside that clearly reflected area is completely dimple free do you? Likewise, your picture of inserts in the "dark" isn't saying anything.

My point is really more that there has to be something explaining the variability. If you claim it's just the wood, and the wood is consistent, what explains the variability? I think it's likely numerous factors, including inconsistencies in wood and clear.

Right, there's many factors. That's why it would be more telling to see a picture of a reflected area showing dimples on either side of an insert but not on the insert itself. It seems those should not be difficult to find.

In the expo demo, I thought Mirco said his new formula has been in use for a year already. Could have been speaking loosely though and that date is close to that time frame.

Let's keep an eye on newer dated fields...

You just said this has been going on over many releases, yet sales on successive releases aren't affected. So, why does JJP -need- to do anything?

JJP, or Stern for that matter, doesn't need to do anything until sales are affected. Should we really see these companies as anything other than capitalists? Jack may have had some altruism at some point, like during Hobbit development. But looks like the bean counters are firmly in charge now.

The -real- question is how many chances are buyers going to give JJP or Stern. At this point, the answer is self-evident: the average buyer doesn't see this as a significant enough issue.

You need to inform all NIB buyers how misguided they are.

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