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Continued playfield issues with JJP and Stern

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#4751 4 years ago
Quoted from chuckwurt:

It’s not actually uv light.

They don't fall in the UV spectrum? Hu.. I wonder how it gets the "glow" affect then?

#4752 4 years ago
Quoted from Sako-TRG:

the wigs on Steve Ritchie’s head

Well, at least on KaPow's head.

#4753 4 years ago

Did stern really just have another price increase this week on all models? Rofl. God I am so glad I went back to playing retro video games.

#4754 4 years ago
Quoted from Dr-pin:

Any Word on what the uv does to all the plastic clearcoat etc over time?

Fully depends on the overall strength of the UV LEDs, how long they stay on, and if Stern incorporated products with light stabilizers.

Potential effects? Yellowing in a poly-based clear coat, yellowing or brittleness of polymer plastics, faster-perishing rubber (Superbands especially since they are polyurethane), and playfield and cabinet color fading over time. Not to mention potential player health risks to eyes and skin, although the overall player UV exposure could be pretty low since the player is standing and the LEDs would theoretically be pointing at the table and not outward towards the player.

#4755 4 years ago
Quoted from Lamprey:

They don't fall in the UV spectrum? Hu.. I wonder how it gets the "glow" affect then?

Not an expert, but you’re not going to get a tan from these lights is what I’m getting at. Haha. They are just the right hue to make the art appear.

I think.

#4756 4 years ago
Quoted from Sako-TRG:

Why the hell would Stern make play-fields that last?
They are disposable items FFS....
If they lasted forever then they wouldn’t sell any new pins. It’s business at the end of the day. Keeps the viagra in GS’s pocket and the wigs on Steve Ritchie’s head
Give them a break guys!
Still haven’t had a response from my pooled to the Max IMDN, email sent circa 9 months ago. I only wanted to buy a replacement playfield. Great CS guys

With respect, you realize that people don't buy new pins because their old ones stop working, don't you? Pinball Machines are not like toasters or light bulbs. People buy new pins because they're either bored of their current pins (Home Use), or their current pins are slowing in quarter-drop (Location Use).

Another big reason people buy NIB, is because people know that they can recoup a substantial amount of the machine's cost back on re-sale. If pinball machines started wearing out after only a few years, then you'd see a lot less NIB sales, because the long-term value wouldn't be there anymore.

#4757 4 years ago
Quoted from chuckwurt:

Not an expert, but you’re not going to get a tan from these lights is what I’m getting at. Haha. They are just the right hue to make the art appear.
I think.

It depends on the UV LEDs being used. If they are higher Wattage or there are a lot of them, it can be harmful to your skin or your eyes over time, possibly even brief exposure if they are bright enough. The added danger is that we can't see UV light wavelengths, so we can't sense low vs high-intensity UV light as we can with other visible light sources like sunlight. Unless Stern releases more specs and the number of the LEDs they are using, I'd pass on this upgrade myself if I owned the table. Or maybe look into UV filtering playfield glass, if such a thing exists.

#4758 4 years ago
Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

Did stern really just have another price increase this week on all models? Rofl. God I am so glad I went back to playing retro video games.

Dude, stick around, the hobby desperately needs quality hobbyists like you!

Are you giving up on Deep Root already?! That was fast.

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#4759 4 years ago
Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

Did stern really just have another price increase this week on all models? Rofl. God I am so glad I went back to playing retro video games.

Stern pinball: IKEA quality at ETHAN ALLEN prices.......

#4760 4 years ago
Quoted from TomGWI:

Hopefully cure it.

Post of the thread right there folks!

#4761 4 years ago

My JP Premium, built 27th December 2019. 85 plays on it as of last night and hardly a dimple and no pooling. Maybe I got lucky and the Christmas shutdown allowed more time for it to cure?

#4762 4 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Dude, stick around, the hobby desperately needs quality hobbyists like you!
Are you giving up on Deep Root already?! That was fast.

I was only cheering on Deeproot for fun. Now I am in Spooky's corner and CGC. Stern got too greedy and overconfident.

Even if I leave the hobby I’ll always be on pinside.

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#4763 4 years ago
Quoted from Extraballz:

Stern pinball: IKEA quality at ETHAN ALLEN prices.......

Don’t insult the quality of IKEA furniture by comparing it to Stern

IKEA wood is hard and doesn’t dimple if you breath on it too hard.

#4764 4 years ago
Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

I was only cheering on Deeproot for fun. Now I am in Spooky's corner and CGC. Stern got too greedy and overconfident.
Even if I leave the hobby I’ll always be on pinside.

Well, all my CGC games have had dimples. They haven’t been any different than my Sterns.

#4765 4 years ago
Quoted from SkillShot:

Well, all my CGC games have had dimples. They haven’t been any different than my Sterns.

And then there was one.

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#4766 4 years ago

I’m just hoping Deeproot and Haggis force Stern, JJP and others to put in a better quality playfield. These things are too expensive to be experiencing these issues.

#4767 4 years ago
Quoted from Seatmandan:

I have a game that was built in July last year. It has pooling everywhere, and a crack/chip on the right sling, lower starpost. I'm currently working with my distro, who BTW, is absolutely awesome.
I did not notice it at first, but I'm assuming the pooling was there from the build date. It's too bad that the PF's are cracking and chipping, because the pooling could be something to live with.

Just noticed a chip around my Willy Wonka sling post (has pooling) and I suppose should start the ball rolling on some sort of resolution. Should I raise a ticket with JJP?
What does 'working with my distro' actually mean? I hear that phrase used a bit.
Do you call them, they call JJP, JJP tells to them there's nothing they can do, distro calls you back and says JJP said there's nothing they can do, you say that's not good enough, they call back JJP etc etc?

#4768 4 years ago
Quoted from Shastings:

Just noticed a chip around my Willy Wonka sling post (has pooling) and I suppose should start the ball rolling on some sort of resolution. Should I raise a ticket with JJP?
What does 'working with my distro' actually mean? I hear that phrase used a bit.
Do you call them, they call JJP, JJP tells to them there's nothing they can do, distro calls you back and says JJP said there's nothing they can do, you say that's not good enough, they call back JJP etc etc?

Take pics and start a ticket with the OEM first. You want it on record written ASAP. Then follow up with the distributor. Good luck.

#4769 4 years ago

Did anyone here who paid the $550 for the JJP POTC playfield get a refund?

#4770 4 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

And then there was one.[quoted image]

My Alice Cooper has dimples. All current gen games get them.

#4771 4 years ago
Quoted from SkillShot:

I’m just hoping Deeproot and Haggis force Stern, JJP and others to put in a better quality playfield. These things are too expensive to be experiencing these issues.

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#4772 4 years ago
Quoted from Halfwasted:

My Alice Cooper has dimples. All current gen games get them.

I have a HUO ACNC with close to 1000 games. You can't see a single dimple with the glass on. You have to remove the glass to see any and even then they are super shallow.

My friend bought a STHLE and ot was delivered three days ago. After 3, four player games, dimples everywhere.

It has been 72+ hours since he has had it on location and the thing looks like a golf ball was pressed I to the entire gel.

Sure every machine dimples TO SOME DEGREE however I have not seen a playfield holdup like my ACNC yet.

MonsterbashLE with 510 games has more dimples as well. Nothing compared to STH though.

I have to take glass off MBLE and ACNC to even see the dimples. Let's just say this is far from the case with the STHLE

#4773 4 years ago
Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

Did stern really just have another price increase this week on all models? Rofl. God I am so glad I went back to playing retro video games.

Another one on top of the price increase when Stranger Things came out?! I don't know what to say.

#4774 4 years ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Another one on top of the price increase when Stranger Things came out?! I don't know what to say.

Every year at the turn of the year Stern increases there prices around $200 I have not looked the past couple of years to see what's going on

#4775 4 years ago

The ramp felt lonely so had to join in with the dimples.
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#4776 4 years ago
Quoted from JY64:

Every year at the turn of the year Stern increases there prices around $200 I have not looked the past couple of years to see what's going on

It would be great if every year at the turn of the year Stern would increase the quality of materials.

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#4777 4 years ago
Quoted from FYMF:

I have a HUO ACNC with close to 1000 games. You can't see a single dimple with the glass on. You have to remove the glass to see any and even then they are super shallow.

This. My Spooky games have some tiny dents after *a lot* of plays.

This is the way it should be.

Yeah, you’re gonna get a few dents. But not f*cking Moon Patrol size ones.

rd

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#4778 4 years ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

It would be great if every year at the turn of the year Stern would increase the quality of materials.

What incentive do they have to do that though?
Are customers not purchasing because quality has gone down?

#4779 4 years ago
Quoted from koops:

What incentive do they have to do that though?
Are customers not purchasing because quality has gone down?

Exactly. Unless the market demands a change there will be no change except to reduce costs and increase production. Very little change has been demanded and it seems like it is cheaper for the manufacturers to keep producing what they are and deal with the small amount they ever end up spending in replacement costs. Bad reputation doesn't seem to matter, the supply in this micro economy is very restricted and demand seems quite high.

#4780 4 years ago

It will be interesting to see if JJP has a price jump with there next game

#4781 4 years ago
Quoted from JY64:

It will be interesting to see if JJP has a price jump with there next game

It won't matter for me.

#4782 4 years ago

More clear, more dimples! JP and Elivira, less clear less deeper "dimpling". Duh.

Not an issue on Bally Williams game? BS

Super wood back then? Ever see a chewed up shooter lane. Yeah, lmao.

Don't put on Cliffys, protectors or mylar on your new Bricks game, you don't need it! LOL

Let's see what that shooter lane looks like after a few thousand plays without it.

#4783 4 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:More clear, more dimples! JP and Elivira, less clear less deeper "dimpling". Duh.
Not an issue on Bally Williams game? BS
Super wood back then? Ever see a chewed up shooter lane. Yeah, lmao.
Don't put on Cliffys, protectors or mylar on your new Bricks game, you don't need it! LOL
Let's see what that shooter lane looks like after a few thousand plays without it.

Nobody's saying that other games don't have problems, ever. What we're seeing is a drastic change in dimpling with the recent releases of Elvira, ST & some JPs. Please don't confuse the two.

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#4784 4 years ago
Quoted from JY64:

It will be interesting to see if JJP has a price jump with there next game

I doubt it. I think having an SE model at $7500 is leading to a lot of Wonka sales for JJP. The other day I played a Wonka SE and JP Premium again on location. Those two games are pretty much the same price and while I enjoyed both games it was easy for me to tell that Wonka SE offered more value then JP Premium. With a $7500 SE model JJP is more competitive against Stern versus if they only offered $8500+ models.

#4785 4 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

More clear, more dimples! JP and Elivira, less clear less deeper "dimpling". Duh.

Not an issue on Bally Williams game? BS

Super wood back then? Ever see a chewed up shooter lane. Yeah, lmao.

Don't put on Cliffys, protectors or mylar on your new Bricks game, you don't need it! LOL

Did Gary Stern ask you to type that up for him and post it here?

How do his dictate, Tex?

#4786 4 years ago
Quoted from donkadelic:

What we're seeing is a drastic change in dimpling with the recent releases of Elvira, ST & some JPs. Please don't confuse the two.

No you're not. Same dimpling that I saw with my first NIB TWD game.

#4787 4 years ago

This thread reminds me of the old beer ads (Stern can be great taste, JJP is Less filling). Almost 4800 posts and its the same shit rehashed over and over.
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#4788 4 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

More clear, more dimples! JP and Elivira, less clear less deeper "dimpling". Duh.
Not an issue on Bally Williams game? BS
Super wood back then? Ever see a chewed up shooter lane. Yeah, lmao.
Don't put on Cliffys, protectors or mylar on your new Bricks game, you don't need it! LOL
Let's see what that shooter lane looks like after a few thousand plays without it.

My local arcade's Elvira looks like it was shot with buckshot so I don't think less clear leads to less dimpling.

#4789 4 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Don't put on Cliffys, protectors or mylar on your new Bricks game, you don't need it! LOL
Let's see what that shooter lane looks like after a few thousand plays without it.

After seeing a R&M playfield up close in person I honestly don't think you need any of that stuff. Nicest quality playfield I've ever seen from a factory. It's jaw dropping. You don't need to go with a Haggis/Deeproot type playfield if you are putting out that kind of quality. It's amazing! Just wait for the reports once people start getting their games.

#4790 4 years ago
Quoted from Vinnie:

My local arcade's Elvira looks like it was shot with buckshot so I don't think less clear leads to less dimpling.

Lowry?

#4791 4 years ago
Quoted from Vinnie:

My local arcade's Elvira looks like it was shot with buckshot so I don't think less clear leads to less dimpling.

Remember that according to Joe K. we shouldn't be complaining. Now send in your $18k for Back to the Future Signature Edition that comes with a piece of seat foam from the Delorean trashed at the end of BTTF 3.

https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/id/12947717

"...the clear coat is not glass, it's paint, it's a ball, it's a piece of wood, it will roll, big deal"

"It's a pinball, they wear out, they're mechanical things"

Super Awesome Pinball Show "You haven't noticed a change from before to now in playfield quality"?

"I'm sure from batch to batch the poplar wood changes from what tree was cut down or what the amount of moisture was in the air or the amount of time the hard coat did or how somebody mixed the hard coat with not enough of something, too much of something else but you know it's a pinball machine"

"To quote Gary we are not making heart and lung machines, we are making pinball machines"

"We used to make games where the hard coat would wear out within 90 days"

"For those at home in their underwear and in their wife beaters and drinking PBR and bitch in the words of William Shatner get a life"

#4792 4 years ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Remember that according to Joe K. we shouldn't be complaining. Now send in your $18k for Back to the Future Signature Edition that comes with a piece of seat foam from the Delorean trashed at the end of BTTF 3.
https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/id/12947717
"...the clear coat is not glass, it's paint, it's a ball, it's a piece of wood, it will roll, big deal"
"It's a pinball, they wear out, they're mechanical things"
Super Awesome Pinball Show "You haven't noticed a change from before to now in playfield quality"?
"I'm sure from batch to batch the poplar wood changes from what tree was cut down or what the amount of moisture was in the air or the amount of time the hard coat did or how somebody mixed the hard coat with not enough of something, too much of something else but you know it's a pinball machine"
"To quote Gary we are not making heart and lung machines, we are making pinball machines"
"We used to make games where the hard coat would wear out within 90 days"
"For those at home in their underwear and in their wife beaters and drinking PBR and bitch in the words of William Shatner get a life"

Wow really? I dont follow or know him but to throw out demeaning carpet/blanket statements like that. Hopefully that was just a lack of judgement/1 time thing because otherwise I'd say screw that guy

#4794 4 years ago

You should head across the bay to Reboot in Dunedin and see what the 4 day old STHLE looks like. I'd be interested in hearing your opinion as to which is worse

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#4795 4 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

No you're not. Same dimpling that I saw with my first NIB TWD game.

Not saying it hasn't happened before, just not on a regular basis. The downright cratering on stranger things on every single machine after the 1st play is something new. I see Iron Maidens with dimpling all the time and never as bad as the best looking st or elvira after a week.

#4796 4 years ago
Quoted from donkadelic:

Nobody's saying that other games don't have problems, ever. What we're seeing is a drastic change in dimpling with the recent releases of Elvira, ST & some JPs. Please don't confuse the two.

WRONG! You are confused man. The drastic change is for the better in JP and Elvira with respect to overall quality and the pf. How do i know? I've bought most of the Stern pins since Ac/dc, my first one being a LOTRLE Nib.

Which, oh by the way, dimpled. And LOTRLE supposedly was the best clear job ever by Stern.

It's the most overblown hyped up nonsense EVER in pinball. LOL

#4797 4 years ago
Quoted from Vinnie:

My local arcade's Elvira looks like it was shot with buckshot so I don't think less clear leads to less dimpling.

It does result is LESS DEEPENING OF DIMPLING BECAUSE THERE IS LESS CLEAR, and that is MY experience with just about every recent Stern pin. That is a fact and what i have seen and experienced. LOL

#4798 4 years ago
Quoted from MikeS:

After seeing a R&M playfield up close in person I honestly don't think you need any of that stuff. Nicest quality playfield I've ever seen from a factory. It's jaw dropping. You don't need to go with a Haggis/Deeproot type playfield if you are putting out that kind of quality. It's amazing! Just wait for the reports once people start getting their games.

Great, then don't put anything on it, including the shooter lane and see how that works out for you.

#4799 4 years ago

I like how the Dimpling Brigade had to invent a new term - Cratering - as they weren't having enough luck scaring people away from buying pinball machines. It's a good move as people are predisposed to liking dimples as they are cute, and craters bring to mind far more sinister things like the endless void of space and the horrifying effects of war.

I look forward to other terrifying terms such as Valleying, Quarrying, Sinkholing, and huge giant pitting.

I know I wouldn't accept any product with qualities like that! Unless I was shopping for a Quarry I guess.

#4800 4 years ago

Stern better figure out a way to replace all the customers they are losing lately. They will feel the pain at some point. This is just slow creep. People are figuring it out that Stern machines are not worth buying. The army is shrinking.......

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