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Continued playfield issues with JJP and Stern


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#2651 35 days ago
Quoted from tilted81:

That playfield is updated like the jp’s Too correct? I haven’t lifted any posts on my maiden yet, but I think it’s solid artwork...

No it still has artwork around the posts. I don’t think any Iron Maiden playfields have been updated to clear only around the posts. Glad yours is ok so far.

#2652 35 days ago

we might need to get the ode to odin out.

#2653 35 days ago

I know you are but what am I? Seems like that is coming next from someone...

#2654 35 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

It's only cranky old fart if I don't like what all you and the other pinside old farts do, right?
I don't know why you are so intent on making me want to go along with the crowd, when I already told you what I thought about another dinosaur themed game.

You are Spicoli that doesn’t run with crowd. I get it

Doesn’t change the fact that you like tired old Dated games Better than the awesome new games like JP

I don’t really give a F what you do or like. You are mistaken re JP though

I’m an old fart too, to each his own and JP is GREAT!

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#2655 35 days ago
Quoted from PtownPin:

At my pace it would take 200 years to get to 100K plays

That’s why you don’t need to ever worry about pf issues

Case closed

#2656 35 days ago

I would have thought a Dinosaur themed game would be right up O-din's alley....being a Dinosaur and all.....Ha ha....Ha..

#2657 35 days ago

From where I'm sitting, it looks like I took a wrong turn and stumbled upon the kingdom of the dinosaurs.

#2658 35 days ago
Quoted from iceman44:

That’s why you don’t need to ever worry about pf issues
Case closed

Amen....always nice to get closure

#2659 35 days ago
Quoted from zaphX:

I think you should demand a completely new shirt AND demand they put it on your body for you.

If you're not the original owner of the shirt or did not buy it from an authorized distributor, no warranty. If it was a freebie tossed to you at a pinball show ra-ra pep rally, no warranty.

#2660 35 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

Well I've got one downvote from Hawkmoon although I think he's still holding a grudge from when he found out I wasn't an original 1960s hippie like he was.

Not holding a grudge. Not sure what the hippie reference is about. I just happen to like jp. That's all. No worries.

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#2661 35 days ago
Quoted from hawkmoon77:

Not holding a grudge. Not sure what the hippie reference is about.

No grudge either. We all have our own tastes and mine has always been a bit more edgy than most. I don't expect everybody to understand and am not trying to put anybody down. I tell it what works for me.

And that hippie reference? While you were seeing Hendrix live, we were little kids supporting the cause with what we had to work with.

#2662 35 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

No grudge either. We all have our own tastes and mine has always been a bit more edgy than most. I don't expect everybody to understand and am not trying to put anybody down. I tell it what works for me.
And that hippie reference? While you were seeing Hendrix live, we were little kids supporting the cause with what we had to work with.

I hear you. The game does have a lot of objectively good things about it when compared to other games of its kind. But I can't argue that you actually like those things. If you don't, you don't.

And for what's it's worth, I was born in the 70s. Watching Hendrix live was a bit before my time.

#2663 35 days ago
Quoted from hawkmoon77:

And for what's it's worth, I was born in the 70s. Watching Hendrix live was a bit before my time.

I got the wrong Hawkmoon. Is he your dad?

#2664 35 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

I got the wrong Hawkmoon. Is he your dad?

If so maybe he was in the old psychedelic band Hawkwind. Hey that would fit right in your 70's thread!

#2665 35 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

I got the wrong Hawkmoon. Is he your dad?

I don't know any other hawkmoons. "Hawkmoon77" is a reference to a U2 song.

#2666 35 days ago
Quoted from hawkmoon77:

I don't know any other hawkmoons. "Hawkmoon77" is a reference to a U2 song.

My mistake. There is another older Hawkmoon with the same avatar.

Quoted from Manic:

If so maybe he was in the old psychedelic band Hawkwind. Hey that would fit right in your 70's thread!

Lemmy's band before Motorhead !

#2667 35 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

My mistake. There is another older Hawkmoon with the same avatar.

Lemmy's band before Motorhead !

Didnt get kicked out for doing drugs, but for doing the wrong kind of drugs!!

#2668 34 days ago
Quoted from hawkmoon77:

I was born in the 70s. Watching Hendrix live was a bit before my time.

Quoted from hawkmoon:

Well,i've seen Jimi 3 times back in the day,and for you that weren't there,the Berkeley community theatre,was the worst place he could have played! The Oakland Coliseum show was much better,Monterey was the best,but,to really capture Jimi on a pin,i don't believe you can really do it justice,imho,as one who was there at the time!Peace!!

#2669 34 days ago

Seriously, something struck me as odd Hawkmoon had bought a JP. It kept ringing in my brain something was off.

I had read your playfield troubles 77 and said, no, not again.

You see you guys do have more in common than you might think.

Quoted from hawkmoon:

Well.my B66LE #53 Bazooka!! And is it f..ked up!! There are no screws in the TV set,and it's just sitting there! #3rdball went into the carosel and froze Wow what a piece of dodo this is!! Has any body been able to play this pin right out of the box??? very disappointed with this shit!!!!

#2670 34 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

Seriously, something struck me as odd Hawkmoon had bought a JP. It kept ringing in my brain something was off.
I had read your playfield troubles 77 and said, no, not again.
You see you guys do have more in common than you might think.

I want to say it's a crazy coincidence, but some of these problems seem to occur with some degree of regularity.

#2671 34 days ago

Are new JPs, with altered playfields, displaying issues?

#2672 34 days ago
Quoted from TaylorVA:

Are new JPs, with altered playfields, displaying issues?

I've had a few QC related issues with my JPLE, but the overwhelming majority of people have said that theirs are okay. Also, Stern has contacted me and indicated that they will address the issues I have. The level of support I've gotten through Stern has given me a high degree of confidence.

#2673 34 days ago
Quoted from hawkmoon77:

I've had a few QC related issues with my JPLE, but the overwhelming majority of people have said that theirs are okay. Also, Stern has contacted me and indicated that they will address the issues I have. The level of support I've gotten through Stern has given me a high degree of confidence.

Thanks. I am looking at a premium, but not until QC is sorted

#2674 34 days ago
Quoted from TaylorVA:

Thanks. I am looking at a premium, but not until QC is sorted

taylorva We should have ours pretty soon.

#2675 33 days ago

I went to Mission Control in Santa Ana tonight to play JP and Munsters. Fun pin, early code kind of sucks.
Both the IMDN and JP had pooling, the IMDN was especially bad. At least 6 posts were pooling, I couldnt get very good photos but here are two.
The JP only had two posts with a small amount of pooling, I couldnt get a good photo of them.
Not sure of the build date on these machines, I couldnt get behind them.
Deadpool and Munsters no pooling at all, nice and dimpled lol.

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#2676 33 days ago

Sometimes I believe people are unhappy if they have no dimples, cracks or somewhat issues with their playfields.

#2677 32 days ago

I asked Jack tonight during the Q&A session at Expo tonight if the root cause of the playfield clear issues had been determined and a fix identified.

Yes and Yes.

Would you elaborate on either?

No.

#2678 32 days ago
Quoted from jfh:

I asked Jack tonight during the Q&A session at Expo tonight if the root cause of the playfield clear issues had been determined and a fix identified.
Yes and Yes.
Would you elaborate on either?
No.

That instills a great deal of confidence.

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#2679 32 days ago
Quoted from jfh:

I asked Jack tonight during the Q&A session at Expo tonight if the root cause of the playfield clear issues had been determined and a fix identified.
Yes and Yes.
Would you elaborate on either?
No.

That right there puts me off any NIB Purchases for the forseeable future.

#2680 32 days ago
Quoted from guitarded:

That right there puts me off any NIB Purchases for the forseeable future.

That’s why I am going with a CGC Royal!

#2681 32 days ago
Quoted from jfh:

I asked Jack tonight during the Q&A session at Expo tonight if the root cause of the playfield clear issues had been determined and a fix identified.
Yes and Yes.
Would you elaborate on either?
No.

Maybe he’s just gaming Gary Stern

#2682 32 days ago
Quoted from TomDK:

Sometimes I believe people are unhappy if they have no dimples, cracks or somewhat issues with their playfields.

I'm ok with dimples. Art coming off the playfield? Not so much.

#2683 32 days ago
Quoted from jfh:

I asked Jack tonight during the Q&A session at Expo tonight if the root cause of the playfield clear issues had been determined and a fix identified.
Yes and Yes.
Would you elaborate on either?
No.

I'd steer clear of NIB until Jack answers the question or we start to see games without issue.

Same for Stern. That's why I didn't order JP or the redrawn SW.

It's killing me. This is my 40th birthday present. But I dont need grenades in my life. And a shitty new game is mos def a grenade.

#2684 32 days ago

It's your decision after attending Expo but I'm not worried with recent build dates from either company.

That said I have more pins that I can play and have a tough time selling something I know and really like. So that's why I'm on the sidelines.

#2685 32 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

You maybe. One of those games I couldn't wait to get home after playing.

We're all free to like and dislike whatever games we want, I've not noticed really anyone else in the dislike camp on JP3. Are you a JJP fan? I suppose I could see someone who gravitated to a more slow and steady old timer game like WOZ not caring as much for the way Jurassic Park plays

Nothing is ever gonna be 100% certified fresh on here, 99.9% ain't bad, issues with playfields not withstanding

#2686 32 days ago
Quoted from PW79:

I'd steer clear of NIB until Jack answers the question or we start to see games without issue.
Same for Stern.

I cancelled a day 1 Elvira LE order because I agonized over the possible playfield issues, but reversed myself and found another one Thursday night after seeing games on the line at Stern and talking to a few people. Understandably few would say anything definitive but one Stern employee that I trust said he believes the issue has been resolved.

That’s far from any guarantee of course but I had the opportunity to look at a number of PFs up close on the line. It seems to me the clear is thinner. I also did not see any obvious issues on the Premiums I examined in Marco’s Expo booth.

I was very disappointed that Stern didn’t have a session that would have allowed discussion of the issue and in Jack’s response in the JJP session. I gave him a softball question that gave him an opportunity to allay concerns. I specifically avoided asking about those with damaged existing games because I knew that would be sensitive and/or controversial.

A missed opportunity for both Stern and JJP.

#2687 32 days ago
Quoted from floyd1977:

I'm ok with dimples. Art coming off the playfield? Not so much.

Of course !
But here are pictures in this thread ... oh boy .. its a pinball machine ..
You have to search for the issues.

#2688 32 days ago
Quoted from jfh:

I was very disappointed that Stern didn’t have a session that would have allowed discussion of the issue and in Jack’s response in the JJP session. I gave him a softball question that gave him an opportunity to allay concerns. I specifically avoided asking about those with damaged existing games because I knew that would be sensitive and/or controversial.
A missed opportunity for both Stern and JJP.

Very shady behavior, which is the norm in their business.

#2689 32 days ago

So, was it all warm and fuzzy at Expo or did anyone who visited tighten the thumb screws on Stern + JJP?

#2690 32 days ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

Very shady behavior, which is the norm in their business.

Why is it shady? A few posts up, the guy asked a question and jack answered it. Has a cause been identified, yes. Has it been fixed, yes. They aren’t going to give you details. The wonka and Elvira games I saw at expo, and there were quite a few, all looked great.

#2691 32 days ago
Quoted from Lermods:

Why is it shady? A few posts up, the guy asked a question and jack answered it. Has a cause been identified, yes. Has it been fixed, yes. They aren’t going to give you details. The wonka and Elvira games I saw at expo, and there were quite a few, all looked great.

What was the problem? How was it remedied?
If, in fact, the issue no longer exists, JJP or Stern should answer both questions.

Rarely, is there a formal statement made by companies in this industry when issues arise. Most supposed resolutions are revealed through through third party hearsay. For instance, we hear about a customer receiving a credit/refund for their replacement play field and that’s it. The community is left guessing or assuming.

I’ve experienced defects/issues with furniture, cars, watches, appliances and stereo equipment. In all instances, the manufacturer was able to tell us why the problem occurred and how it was rectified so that it would not happen again, no mysteries. Standard practices don’t seem to exist with pinball manufacturers.

#2692 32 days ago

I get a weird vibe about thinner clear & deleted art.

Feels like a temporary & similar but better solution to the washers implemented to understandably keep the line moving.

Dang... My AS has a thick glossy PF that compliments the artwork magnificently. It's a gorgeous F'n game. I'd hate to lose that attribute on all future titles

#2693 32 days ago
Quoted from PW79:

I get a weird vibe about thinner clear & deleted art.
Feels like a temporary & similar but better solution to the washers implemented to understandably keep the line moving.
Dang... My AS has a thick glossy PF that compliments the artwork magnificently. It's a gorgeous F'n game. I'd hate to lose that attribute on all future titles

Sorry, what is AS?

#2694 32 days ago
Quoted from TaylorVA:

Sorry, what is AS?

Aerosmith. My pro also had a super thick and awesomely glossy playfield. Zero issues with it

#2695 32 days ago
Quoted from PW79:

I get a weird vibe about thinner clear & deleted art.
Feels like a temporary & similar but better solution to the washers implemented to understandably keep the line moving.
Dang... My AS has a thick glossy PF that compliments the artwork magnificently. It's a gorgeous F'n game. I'd hate to lose that attribute on all future titles

They seemed to get the formula right on AS, my LE is a beauty all the way around

My Munsters LE has some pooling. I could have lived the rest of my life and never noticed it until it became the new crisis

My Munsters Le pf is also a beauty and in great shape

#2696 32 days ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

What was the problem? How was it remedied?
If, in fact, the issue no longer exists, JJP or Stern should answer both questions.
Rarely, is there a formal statement made by companies in this industry when issues arise. Most supposed resolutions are revealed through through third party hearsay. For instance, we hear about a customer receiving a credit/refund for their replacement play field and that’s it. The community is left guessing or assuming.
I’ve experienced defects/issues with furniture, cars, watches, appliances and stereo equipment. In all instances, the manufacturer was able to tell us why the problem occurred and how it was rectified so that it would not happen again, no mysteries. Standard practices don’t seem to exist with pinball manufacturers.

I agree it would be nice to have the how and why, but it’s a competitive (and unregulated) market and you have multiple companies with similar issues. Releasing detailed info provides a competitor with potentially valuable info. I don’t think Spooky ever released the issues behind their playfield problems, giving them the upper hand right now as their playfields are all good now.

#2697 32 days ago

What a rediculous way for Jack to answer that question. Kaneda is right. Sometimes this guy just welcomes failure and doesnt listen. Those are your most valuable customers...What a tool.

#2698 32 days ago
Quoted from Lermods:

I agree it would be nice to have the how and why, but it’s a competitive (and unregulated) market and you have multiple companies with similar issues. Releasing detailed info provides a competitor with potentially valuable info. I don’t think Spooky ever released the issues behind their playfield problems, giving them the upper hand right now as their playfields are all good now.

Charlie said they had some bad luck with different woods and said they sourced the better wood (again) and have perfected an in house clear/clear process. Jack said “sit down. anyone else?”

#2699 32 days ago
Quoted from Lermods:

I agree it would be nice to have the how and why, but it’s a competitive (and unregulated) market and you have multiple companies with similar issues. Releasing detailed info provides a competitor with potentially valuable info. I don’t think Spooky ever released the issues behind their playfield problems, giving them the upper hand right now as their playfields are all good now.

You’re 100% correct. I’m just not comfortable with the manner in which many conduct themselves.

#2700 32 days ago
Quoted from jfh:

I asked Jack tonight during the Q&A session at Expo tonight if the root cause of the playfield clear issues had been determined and a fix identified.
Yes and Yes.
Would you elaborate on either?
No.

You asked if the identified the root cause of the problem and if he knows how to fix this, he replied YES.
And can you share any details, he replyed NO

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