lol, sure thing...

You closed your ad because you hated that people were telling you what past sales were and that the price had gone up.
People can either just look at past archived ads... or they can take your word that you just found multiple examples priced well below market.

Glad you got some lined up. I have a feeling you may really like this one!

I put zero merit into the circle jerk fest that is the top100 but going by that you missed:
- MET Pro
- Iron Maiden Pro
- AC/DC Pro
- Star Trek Stern Pro
- Spider-man
- TOM
- TSPP
- TWD Pro
- Iron Man
- GOT Pro

This is now 18 games out of the 42 I would consider at that price range. These are all games that I can get for $5K or less (Ok so Iron Maiden would be $5.1K) without much effort of which I personally consider to be equally as fun to shoot as Congo. My taste will be different from others but at that $5K price point their is a lot of competition.

Stupid thing has a massive insert and is lit every now and then. Have no idea what lights it and when you hit this target over this beautiful massive blue insert well integrated into an ape, you get like 5mil... in a game where mine came set to 800mil for an extra ball. That's not even 1% of your way there!

Looks to see if he owns Congo. Yep.

I own a Congo and looked hard to find one - I have to restore it next. I never see them come up - is it a $5K game - no - maybe a good higher end restore would be $5k with a color DMD, solid no fade cabinet.

But, is a it a $2500 game - not even close. People always make value decisions based upon price - everyone would buy this game and think it was a steal at $2500 but it is still a good game at $3000-4000 there are worse games out there in that price range. So, it is far off a $5K game - tons of great games reside at $4000-6000. I guess I though this game is even still a $3000-4000 game maybe depending on condition. A, B - is a personal choice - I have played the top 10 games some I like some I don't it is a personal choice I guess.

I can't wait to restore it - it will be great! I personally like the game feel lucky to own one.

Break out the knee pads!

Congo is a real good game, but unlike most of the stuff we argue about here, "A-List" isn't really subjective.

it can be A-list in your heart, but if it's going for B-list money - which it is and always has been - it's not on "the" A-list.

The Monkey game is hilarious. Raise your hand if you've EVER, in your entire history of playing Congo, not won the under playfield Monkey game? I know people who claim it's happened to them but I simply don't believe it.

There's no reason or need to check things, Hilton has always been ground zero of monkey-man love.

Cant have knee pads for a single game I don't think. His knee pad moment was the shot map jpg showing alien was the flowiest game of all time.

Edit: flakey target is the only way to lose. Unless did somone say you could lower the time?

Edit2: the idea of it being an a game is at least better than when they talk aboot how hard it is.

Oh Pinside! It's amazing what trivial stuff you would shit yourselves over.

There's #1

This is confirmed knee pad activity. I mean without any joking or razzing, and I never thought i'd say this, Hilton you're not even this shitty of a player.

B++
It has a bad theme and a few obnoxious callouts.

Gameplay is an A for sure.

Very cool shots, fast and cool design.

Congo is certainly a title.

Raises his hand in embarrassment. May even be caught on stream too. Don't know if the last o on that game was flakey or not but for the life of me it wouldn't hit the damn thing. Was in qualifying a couple years ago. It's rare but I've seen it happen a couple of times.

better go back and check those ratings... you are using prem/LE ratings and pro pricepoints it appears.

That said, can you really find all those games for under 5k?

That volcano shot is awesome! The basement playfield is a slap fest joke.

Spiderman, Tom, Acdc might be tough? Others found easily.

So in conclusion it was a 'C' title when it came out but in 2018 everyone gets an 'A', unless of course they don't want one. I just asked my Congo and it still claims to be a 'B' title but it would certainly understand if I dumped it when the price got high enough.

Yes, and pretty easily. I just went down the list and that is another reason I put zero merit in that list. Example, I just broke down MET and the prem is ranked higher than the Pro and yet their is a very strong argument that people like the pro better especially when $$$ is added to the equation. Here is another example of how little faith I have in the "top 100". Deadpool is ranked higher than Tron, TNA, IM, BM66, etc.... You can seriously put merit in a system that shows that and you could successfully argue that DP is a better overall game than all 4 of those others?

yeah, Pinside top 100 has gradually become more and more of a joke, esp since it is clear how the LE owners fluff all the games over the pros, when the vast majority of people will always say the Pro models are the better game. TWD, GOTG, SW, DP, etc...

Nonsense. People say the pros are better values which they pretty much always are. There are only a few games that the pro is actually a better game so if the price was the same people would almost always go for a premium over a pro.

nah, the vast majority of Stern 3 tier games, the PRO is always the best player.

Going down the pinside list: Maiden, MET, ST, TWD, DP, GB, Aero, SW, GOT
I would take the pro every time over the prem/le if price was the same.

Makes sense if you don't think about it...….

The price is never the same, the Premiums are almost always more fun with the added features.

It progressively gets more difficult. You have to hit all the targets in a certain amount of time. It does get pretty difficult at a point but that is after many rounds. I still think it's a decent mini pf and far from the worst.

disagree 100%

Prem/le almost always slows down the ball, has toys that are less reliable or hared to maintain, needs more fixes to play well.

This is well documented on games form the past 3/4 years.

Lower playfield never really gets that difficult on standard or tournament settings.
Gray all day. (grAy?)

If you have one that doesn't work well or has crap switches. Our 2nd one had a rebuild lower PF and played MUCH better. Ball at rest, Gray will either hit the 2nd or 4th letters in Congo (depending on what arm the ball is on). To get the 1st and 5th letters, you actually need to bring the arm backwards (press the opposite button) and then flip forward to have the ball hit the outer switches. The 'N' in the middle is from hitting the ball around while in motion.

Trying to hit all 5 shots, without flailing and being lucky (which does work some of the time) is tough and fun, and the progressively harder goals of Gray (timer and shots disappearing if no other letters hit) makes it a very functional and fun lower PF. Then trying to maybe get one of those last letters to open up Super Jackpot during Super MB is wildly fun.

From an operators standpoint, I'd tend to agree with you on maintenance issues. Otherwise, not.

I own Whitewater, Aerosmith, Funhouse and Dracula and enjoy playing Congo more

I trust your ratings

https://pinside.com/pinball/community/pinsiders/yesh23/ratings

WHY IS MOUSIN' AROUND NOT A 10???????????

This was a good one haha

Actually, I even laughed at that one. I probably need to go and update some of my rankings but I do love me some System 11's. Only reason I haven't ranked Congo yet, is I'm trying to see if I can give it an 11

From a playing standpoint you can make arguments for both the pro and prem/le models. From an earning and games played model it's not even close based on gross sales/games played. People always are amazed and so grateful to play the LE games we route. They simply prefer them on all games in the past 3 years, at least from what I am told. The only exception is Game of Thrones. This discussion comes up locally a ton. Pros are an amazing value for an operator in my estimation but the LE games are preferred by the customers I know.

because it isnt an em.... duh!

Why do you prefer gb pro?

No way.

B+ at best.
Great layout, code and theme will keep it out of A range forever imo.

Lol

Lol Vic, this game comes up often as a game we regret passing on to this day.

What about the GB pro makes it play faster. I have literally a dozen examples of the pro and 3 LEs, no geometric difference, ramp returns to flipper on LE and subway ramp.

Ha! Do you remember the one I brought?

I put NOS plastics in it, a new window, replated the habitrails, new pop bumper skirts/bodies/caps...very nice.

I looked up the emails from that time, the price was actually $1995, not $1600. I think I took one or two hundred less in the end.

Yep, pretty sure it’s that exact game. $1600 is the price that we remember tho so who knows, it was a while ago. Just another if I knew then what I know now, lol.

Ahhh shit I overpaid at $1640 for my Congo Still loving it over 7 years later and could care less what it is worth or if it is an A, B or C title.

My son flaps his arms like a spazz when he plays the lower playfield, and 90% of the time it works. But it’s still more fun than the Path of the Dead, and qualifying it with that Quorra shot is hella fun.

Path is the worst. But wow we all wish Quorra shot was that easy.

Yeah, bummer that tron copied 90% of congo and somehow screwed up that shot geometry.

Between this thread and the other monkey thread it feels like Pinside has gone bananas.

I might have marked it down to try to move it. $1995 is what I had in the emails around that time, but that's the only written record I have of it. $1600 is what I remembered it not selling at, and if you remember the same, it probably is what I marked it down to. At that price today, I would have kept it!