+1. Traded my MM for LotR + cash, and never regretted it one bit. Saw all MM had to offer after a month of ownership. LotR, not even close.

Different strokes and all that.

At that price I'll take 2. one for each end of my game room so people can play coming and going.

But seriously now, how much should a NOS playfield go for then?

Whysnow = hypocrite

It actually has risen in price compared to what they were selling for a year or two ago (or more), much like other games.

It hasn't risen as much as most other games comparatively though IMO. The main reason that I think is because of the sheer number of games that were made. It is either Stern's most (or second most, depending who you talk to) game of all time. I would also venture to guess that there are more HUO LOTRs and TSPPs out there than any other pinball machines ever built.

Just for comparison purposes, LOTR is the third most owned game by pinsiders. There are tons of them out there. (If you wanna question my "owned by" number, that's ok. It's been awhile since I looked it over)

Whenever I see Whysnow as an OP I automatically assume that the thread is:

a) a desperate cry for attention
b) a few paragraphs of trolltasticness
c) an obvious attempt at poking the bear for a boredom-fueled argument
d) all of the above

Not trying to be an ass. Just keeping it real. Calling it as I see it. Reporting the data.

No it is routed not HUO. The add was misleading. Bad ball drop wear on the playfield, flipper wear and scrapes on the side art and head.

Triumvirat73, you forgot to add an obvious one to your list.

I just don't think I've seen anyone complain as much as you do. Whatever makes you feel better I guess.

I guess it's not just me who's noticed this. Lol

Well, to be honest, none of that says it was routed, just not cared for. I've seen plenty of HUO pins look worse than any of my route pins. Condition is king.

centerflank forgot to mention the breakdown of his price.

$4,999 for the LOTR
$2000 for the centerflank signed apron

And let me tell you that is a good deal for a centerflank signed apron!

But why would the owner rip the goodie bag out then lose it. Isn't that a dead giveaway it is a routed pin?

It all depends on if it is a true NOS versus a reproduction, if there are any production problems with the playfield, (dust in clear, registration, color saturation, etc...) that will also effect the price even though the playfield has not been used.

It also depends on how popular the game is that is is going in. The higher the value of a game, the more value the playfield has.

Example: A true NOS AFM playfield is worth way more than a reproduction. I remember some selling for close to 1800, while a the highest for a reproduction was about 700-1000 depending on time between runs. When somebody gets a top end restore job, NOS is preferred and people will pay top dollar for one.

95% of the time when you see a reproduction for sale north of 1k, the person bought it for the 700 price when they came out and just have sat on it until the supply has run dry.

I have seen a TOTAN and CC NOS sell for 2k, you will never see NOS Popeye sell for that much as an example.

I wouldn't say so. I think many people think of it as extra crap they don't need, kinda like a manual that comes with a VCR. They set it aside, they lose it, they stuff it in some drawer, let the kids play with the stickers, etc...

It was on my wishlist for awhile, but took it off - it's gotten too expensive for me...

Ok guys

Let be sure to keep our composure

The finer points of sarcasm are obviously lost on you...

To be clear, you are correct. I don't get you. I don't know you from Adam. What I DO know is that every thread that I've seen you post is combative, complainant, petty, argumentative, baiting, and completely devoid of any useful content that may help move the hobby that we all love in a positive direction.

Strictly my observations, and personal opinion based on what I've seen. Nothing more, and certainly nothing personal.

Re-edit-removing my personal attack at Whysnow

_{Post edited by centerflank : Heavy sarcasm if you didnt figure}

I'm new comparatively, and meant no disrespect. Had I seen that, then I would obviously not have said that. I can't go back through every thread posted before I was around. And if that happened since I've been around then I clearly missed that thread.

Again, I'm strictly speaking for what I've seen, not what has happened. I have no problem admitting wrong-doing and if my comments are out-of-line then I sincerely apologize.

No, it most certainly is not just you, many others have noticed it as well believe me.

He bitches about everything. If you make money selling a pin, you are evil. If a 10 year old kid beats you at pinball, he is cheating.

Hilarious.

Wait, are they rerunning LOTRs?!?!?

Seems like his comparison was pretty spot on.

It's not really practical to keep the goodie bag in the game anymore with how the manuals are done, etc. You pull it out, it gets misplaced, etc.

As the quality of the repos has come up.... I think this is less and less an issue. Back when most repos were underground, or had issues (like early IPB playfields) the repos were simply inferior. Now, many are equal or better. The whole 'I pay more for original' is a very narrow slice in pinball. The # of 'trailer queens' in pinball is not nearly like it is in collector cars, etc. Pins are still admired for how they look and play... more so than their pedigree.

There's no reason for any of you guys to make another post unless it's related to LOTR and/or its current value.
Nobody's going to win this. It's impossible.
Just sayin.

I could win but can't afford the karma points !

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Prices on all machines are comical now, especially new machines. LOTR just took a while to catch up. People need to post a few AFM's at 15K so when I sell mine for less it seems like a steal

I am one who recently posted my LOTR for sale and then took it down after playing for the weekend. It is not for sale because I am keeping it. I had ZERO intensions of trying to inflate the current market value of the title. If this is really happening then those individuals need to get different hobbies. I did list mine high as that is EXACTLY what I have into it. To some I over paid for mine but it's condition and not having to ship it made it work FOR ME. I have an extremely Nice LOTR besides to little finger prints near the flipper buttons.

My observation is MANY MANY people are asking high prices for games that are NOT even close to the condition they should be. Lately I have seen SS, TAF, TZ and POTC listed for high prices and titled awesome, nice etc....... IMO not so much. You can ask what you want but, be ready for the price police. You should however, make sure your game is up to par if your going to ask premium pricing.

I think prices are all over the map and pinside has all types of users. Condition, Location and Convenience of purchase are important aspects of sales. I may have overpaid before but, when I sell I absolutely tell the truth and my many buyers can vouch for that.

Flimsiest topic I've seen in a while. Seen plenty nice HUO ones sell for over $5k this year, and I have no clue why someone would bother complaining when it's Stern's highest rated game. Seems like a good value compared to current NIB prices for unproven titles.

You've not seen their CV playfields recently have you?

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That is correct.

When I bought mine from ROC-NOC I could not find any near me for less than his. Unless I was willing to pay $5400 plus shipping. Made no sense when his was close and as nice as it is.

Beat me to the comment. They are horrendous!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who cares. It's all, ALL, about supply and demand. There should be a big stop sign link on the pinside front page that gives everyone a basic understanding of supply and demand and why, given this, we don't have these discussions for the better of everyone not ripping each other's throats out.

If it sells, that's it's value, if it does not, it is not worth that. It literally is that simply.

I was just about to say that, but you beat me to it... *ahem* Quoted for truth!

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I sold a NOS LOTR playfield at MGC last year for 400. It had good color and decent, but not perfect registration. I paid 575 for one with deep colors and pefect registration 2 Expos ago.

Price on this can vary greatly, because the quality of screenprint is all over the map. This title shows issues more than most of Stern's games, due to the detailed art and colors.

The real reason for Hilton's post.

Oh my, those were quite the trainwreck. Like something printed from an inkjet that was out of black ink and compensating by using all the colored ink for black. Worse than Stern's worse playfields. No idea what happened... his CFTBL fields were good back in the day. MMs were good if you found one with minimal errors...

Their limited run DP FH playfields 3 years ago was their last best effort. Everything was spot on! Gorgeous!

I'm not exactly sure what happened after that.

Personally i find this comment a little insulting, give or take, if you find a perfect huo lord of the rings for sale there's a good chance your going to pay over 5k for it, you said, lets keep it real, seriously then, keep it real!! Calling people silly for paying over "WHAT YOU THINK" a minty lotr goes for is silly!!!!!!

You do realise, everyone, that it's not pinball machines going up, it's dollars going down. Stop whining and complaining about it..it's everywhere from art to watches to gas. This whole thread is pretty much getting pathetic. Don't pay the prices, fine, then come back three years later, still without your machine, and find the prices are higher (or..you're dollars don't buy you as much any more). Gas will be more, electricity will be more, Corn Flakes will be more and pinball machines will be more.