Yep, these have been around for a good while, but it took forever for one or two guys to finally make them available at reasonable prices. The microlouver film is not cheap, so bulk purchasing is pretty much the only way to use it for this application.

Nice Pictures Paul! Thank you for sharing!

Is it OK to use? They came out better then mine!

What we did here, and I am not the first, is make these smaller so you can just stick on front
in 15 seconds, and solve an important issue in viewing the top half of the game.
(It is also possible to install behind the panel)

Terry carries these as well at Pinball Life, and we drop as low as $13.95 each in quantity.

Neither getting rich on this, (others sell up to $50 each) I believe we share that this is a must have product for many games, and getting the cost down is the best way to see this help others.

Please try these out guys...you'll get hooked, and at these numbers, almost all games should be done....Its just that good!

Art

I've always installed mine directly on the DMD glass. Obviously not an option with the LED DMDs, but the inside of the view window works best in that case IMO. These things are seriously exponentially better than the "bent plastic" thing, which is a real kludge.

Do these affect spectators' views of the DMD?

Only if they're 3 feet or 9 feet tall, for the most part.

Is there any way to use these (or something else) to cut glare the other direction; from spotlights reflecting off the DMD?

Dont know for sure, but I think 4 ohm.....I am sure others will know.

Glad you are cleaning the games!!!

Y r they better ? They both do the same thing ? One is just hidden and has a cleaner look however plastic dont dim the dmd and its transferable game to game and cost half? So what makes it better because I thought about purchasing a few next led order?

I believe the speakers are 4ohm

I stuck mine directly on my ColorDmd.
It cut the glare from this and also from LED strips I have at the back of the playfield.

A must have product, Art rocks!

Nice product. Why doesn't somebody make these for the translite?

They are available from Europe...The cost was still a bit too much for me to rationalize....I believe in the $75-$100 price range including shipping, as a general idea.

Now this I would buy I hate glare from backbox lights

Oh, I don't know, I'm tall, I'm a little concerned that I'd see a much darker DMD than what these pictures show, and I don't care for that. I'll have to check out Paul's someday.

so kids can't see the DMD displayed?

Not really, those at different heights or standing angles, may not see glare or DMD reflection,
The filter only blocks views from the side past an angle.

I have used these things for years and won't own a game without them.

Company party tonight, booked up.

Say MP, do you have a link to the website?

http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=2212

Those aren't for the translite, to which this post was referring.

"Comets DMD Glare Guard" seems to refer exactly to DMD glare, not the entire translite. What am I missing?

Two products have been mentioned. One, Art is selling for DMDs. The second is available in Europe to cover the ENTIRE translite thereby eliminating translite glare from the glass.

My question: is this glareguard film static cling, or is it a one-and-done install? If you can peel it off and apply to a new game, awesome. If not, I would definitely add this to my price of a pin if I sell one @ $75-$100 a pop (for the translite version).

Great product. I have some of Arts and some of Terry's. Both work equally as well IME.

HOWEVER, I cannot stand having them installed on the display from the outside. I see a double image from a reflection somewhere. For me, they must be installed on the DMD glass to eliminate the "image ghosting" for lack of a better term.

A must have on all my machines!

Interesting...I havent seen or heard this....will it photograph?

I wonder if the "gap" is causing this issue for you, which kinda makes sense, but dont know why myself or others havent seen?....hmmmmmm....

Certainly you have a solution.
I suppose before people install on the outside before removing adhesive strip protectors, might try a piece of scotch tape to see....

I will see if I can get a photo of it for you. The ghosting image is faint, but I can see it. My wife never complains about it so it isn't THAT distracting. WAY better than the reflection in the PF glass...

The post which you quoted was talking about the translite, asking for a link to the translite glare guards.

The linked product page at PinballLife is titled "DMD No Glare Film For Stern Pinball Machines - Outer Mounting". I assume this can be used on other manufacturer pins as well that have the same size DMD?

This is why I would only recommend installing the glare guard on the DMD itself

The doubling effect is obnoxious when mounted to the outside:

glare doubling.jpg

Unless I am mistaken Vid, the issue was outer mounting on DMD exterior overlay panel vs directly on DMD.

I have them installed both ways, and see no glare or reflection. I thought the post was that if mounted
on the outside, instead of the inside, a post was made that they had some reflection still showing, when outside mounted.

Has anyone else seen this?

I've seen "double vision" too. While not a Comet glare guard but it is 3M micro louver privacy film. It was on my JM and I put it inside the DMD window. I did not put it directly on the DMD - instead I put it on the inside directly to the clear plexiglass window. I then had double images so I put it directly to the DMD and no more double images. Now I never had any playfield glass glare either way - this is just about the DMD image itself.

I'm selling these in Belgium / Europe.
Have one installed in my Metallica and put it on the speaker panel plastic. I don't see a double image. The gap makes a bit of a difference when looking from the side at the display, but when playing it's all the same.
There is a front and backside you have to take care of when installing, maybe this makes a difference ?

There's also a protective film on BOTH sides that needs to be removed. One side comes off easily, but the other side is a bit more difficult to get off. I could see someone not realizing this. Leaving that on might contribute to the doubling effect if you're not putting the filter directly on the DMD. I put it right on the DMD anyway... these are so cheap and do such a great job that there's no reason not to permanently install them in all games.

Art, the picture Vid posted is exactly what I am referring to although the amount of shift in the ghost image in Vid's picture is much greater than in my case. I have them friction fit in the opening on the outside of a SP and POTC.

So, are you saying that you still see a reflection when placed in front of the panel, but none when right on the glass?

If so, and everything is done correctly, I am sorry I dont know why you are experiencing this.
If the solution was that placing this directly on DMD...that great, you find a way it works for you!

Ill certainly note that for others, although in most all cases, since I researched further, it works fine on the front.

If you have no solution, LMK, as others mention perhaps a step of film
removal, or reverse install?

Dont know, you are the first to share this.....

Art

I think I figured it out Jon.

The ones you received , were larger in measurement then the new ones just in.
Those that you received, were only designed to install directly on the DMD.
If these were placed in front of the plastic, right in front, they wouldnt fit, leaving a gap, which could cause the difference you are describing.
These new ones fit inside the outside panel and fit flush, closing that gap, which could be why myself and others may not experience the same.

I sent a sent to someone with a POTC they used it for, and they installed on the outside with no issues.

So, I think thats the difference, and the answer.

The new ones can still be mounted directly to the DMD, although a little bit more work.

Art

Keeping in mind that my experience is with other sellers, NOT with Art/Comet's *specific* product...

You mean aside from the fact that the bentplastic are a cheaparsed kludge that fall out every time you need to remove the glass? I bought one, exactly one, and it's annoying as hell to grab the thing, set it aside, and put it back in place. Meanwhile, the 3m film is installed, stays where it's supposed to be, and doesn't get in the way of me working on my games. Oh, and it doesn't look absolutely ridiculous either.

They 3m film doesn't dim the DMD very much, if it's installed on the DMD or the inside of the plastic. My personal recommendation, due to the doubling effect shown above, is to install it directly on the DMD anytime it's possible, and second option on the inside of the speaker panel. I would not ever install it on the outside. Anytime I've ever bought these kits, from two different suppliers, they've come with double-sided 3m adhesive that's maybe 1-2mm thick and transparent. It's easily removable and you would just need a few small strips to place it on a new one.

Still a better option than the glare glass. This is considerably cheaper and works 100% better for eliminating DMD glare.

Where are these on your site Art?

http://www.cometpinball.com/DMD-GLARE-ELIMINATOR-p/dmdglare.htm