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ColorDMD - LCD versus LED?

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#801 1 year ago

LCD is installed on my WPT. It's tough not to have the best of both worlds. I use the Style setting. I personally like the full animation vs the dots...it looks good to me. I hate that it can't be as bright as the LED but at least it's clear and the animations look normal now. Of course I've had to turn the contrast and brightness up to 9 and now my blacks are gray because of it just so I can have some kind of brightness. I'm going to play it for a week or so but honestly i think I like it better than the LED double image dots. However, one of the lights on the playfield now reflect off of the LCD screen and bother me a because the LCD isn't bright enough.

Time will tell I guess.

#802 1 year ago

Awesome man. Glad you’re getting clarity on what you like. Again, people seem to think those stern models do very well with the smoothing.

And with the glare of the PF, you may never get it perfect. I will say that the LeD reflected off the PF glass a lot, but a glare guard plastic under the DMD panel blocks it completely both ways, but you gotta live with the plastic, which mentally disappears over time, and of course your first attempt at the glare film had an issue.

As discussed, try both with and without supporting accessories like the glare guards and see what works for you.

I have good news to report that you may not be crazy on the double image. This weekend I tested it with a variety of angles and I think I recreated what you seen. The pic below shows my camera on my toes as high as I can to grab a shot, and it shows what looks like an extra set of blue dots under each set of real dots. Is this what you were seeing?

If so, it’s the glare guard and the way it’s made I guess. You said to me pinballlife is promising to return it for you so I would do that. I’m 5’ 11” so it isnt an issue for me and very happy with mine, but I am super curious to try the comet version now.

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#803 1 year ago
Quoted from davebart5:

Awesome man. Glad you’re getting clarity on what you like. Again, people seem to think those stern models do very well with the smoothing.
And with the glare of the PF, you may never get it perfect. I will say that the LeD reflected off the PF glass a lot, but a glare guard plastic under the DMD panel blocks it completely both ways, but you gotta live with the plastic, which mentally disappears over time, and of course your first attempt at the glare film had an issue.
As discussed, try both with and without supporting accessories like the glare guards and see what works for you.
I have good news to report that you may not be crazy on the double image. This weekend I tested it with a variety of angles and I think I recreated what you seen. The pic below shows my camera on my toes as high as I can to grab a shot, and it shows what looks like an extra set of blue dots under each set of real dots. Is this what you were seeing?
If so, it’s the glare guard and the way it’s made I guess. You said to me pinballlife is promising to return it for you so I would do that. I’m 5’ 11” so it isnt an issue for me and very happy with mine, but I am super curious to try the comet version now.
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Thank so much for doing the research! Yes, that is exactly the double image I see, every time I play. It's interesting that your recreated it. It was bothersome from the beginning unfortunately. I'm glad its not an issue with others because it's very tilting.

I'm in the process with playing the LCD for right now. I honestly like the Style mode that doesn't have the dots. If I have to look at dots, I'd rather go LED since at least they are bright and the colors pop. After I give the LCD a run, I'll then put the LED back on with the glare guard and then without....and see what I like best. I don't know if I'm going to order the Comet glare guard or not....

#804 1 year ago

I need your support. I received my LCD Color DMD today and it didn't arrive in the condition I expected. I'm not sure if it was damaged in transit or if Canada Customs damaged it during their inspection. I've reached out to ColorDMD for their support and I am awaiting their reply. Can someone please send me a photo of how the ribbon cable is connected and I will try to reconnect it myself, if at all possible...Pictures are enclosed.

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#805 1 year ago

So, I was installing a Color DMD into my Tommy. I noted the instructions were incomplete [step 9 and hooking up power and the ribbons are missing], so I went on line to confirm my best guesses. Warning - it is kind of easy to install the 5v plug backward if you are not careful. I had it on backward. I had not fired it up yet, but I came close. Ended up working like a charm and I'm up and running. I went with LED and it looks fantastic. I've seen the game fitted with an LCD, and it looks great too. They have a different feel to them, so it really is just personal taste in my humble opinion. I don't see that one is better than the other. I happen to like the LED. I must say though that the provided instructions are needlessly vague and incomplete. There is ample support among hobbyist. If you are installing one, I suggest reviewing a video or two, at least for a Data East install. Remember to check your 5v plug alignment and that with the ribbon cables, the red line is toward the #1 pin side. Have fun.

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#806 1 year ago

I just installed the LED version on my I500. Any idea how to get rid of the line of light across the top? It is not present on my other ColorDMDs (LED or LCD).

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#807 1 year ago

At least with the 128x16, there is no decision needed to be made since it will only be available in LED. https://mailchi.mp/53dc7b89cdb6/colordmd-announces-new-platform-for-128x16-dmd-games?e=c9c02c6747

#808 1 year ago
Quoted from Alamo_Pin:

I just installed the LED version on my I500. Any idea how to get rid of the line of light across the top? It is not present on my other ColorDMDs (LED or LCD).
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That's light shining down from the backbox and hitting the top of the LED modules. Foam weatherstripping (from the hardware store) placed between the top of the metal bracket and speaker panel works great for blocking the light.

#809 1 year ago
Quoted from Angel:

I need your support. I received my LCD Color DMD today and it didn't arrive in the condition I expected. I'm not sure if it was damaged in transit or if Canada Customs damaged it during their inspection. I've reached out to ColorDMD for their support and I am awaiting their reply. Can someone please send me a photo of how the ribbon cable is connected and I will try to reconnect it myself, if at all possible...Pictures are enclosed.[quoted image][quoted image]

can you provide another photo of the connector where it came off of the LCD panel? it's hard to tell from the 2 photos if the connector was broken or the relief tab just came unglued from the ribbon cable.

#810 1 year ago
Quoted from zahner:

So, I was installing a Color DMD into my Tommy. I noted the instructions were incomplete [step 9 and hooking up power and the ribbons are missing], so I went on line to confirm my best guesses. Warning - it is kind of easy to install the 5v plug backward if you are not careful. I had it on backward. I had not fired it up yet, but I came close. Ended up working like a charm and I'm up and running. I went with LED and it looks fantastic. I've seen the game fitted with an LCD, and it looks great too. They have a different feel to them, so it really is just personal taste in my humble opinion. I don't see that one is better than the other. I happen to like the LED. I must say though that the provided instructions are needlessly vague and incomplete. There is ample support among hobbyist. If you are installing one, I suggest reviewing a video or two, at least for a Data East install. Remember to check your 5v plug alignment and that with the ribbon cables, the red line is toward the #1 pin side. Have fun.

I completely agree about the instructions being needlessly vague. Right button, left button with no reference to which way is right or left. Also, there were a lot of things like attachment points, etc. just left out and left to guess about. I too watched a few videos to put the missing pieces together..

#811 1 year ago
Quoted from Codeman00:

Right button, left button with no reference to which way is right or left...

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#812 1 year ago

So I have a detached cable that I need to plug in. I need to make sure that the red stripe on the cable is on the "Right" side. However no where does it say which is side is the right side. After the cable is plugged in (hopefully correct), then now I think I know which side is right hand which side is left (if I did it right) and now I can deduce what button is right and left.... I think.

How about putting "right side" and "left side" on the diagram and establishing a coordinate system at the beginning? How about labeling the buttons 1, 2, 3, 4 instead of the lines of text next to each button but referring to them in the instructions as "left" and "right" when they aren't labeled as such on the PCB or in the diagram. I'm an engineer. I've created these diagrams for customers.

It can really be done better.

#813 1 year ago

Ah, so your question is a "right" vs "stage right" type thing?

Numbering them not a bad idea...but can you not see the orientation of the board components in the diagram?
Edit: sorry that last part is for orientation of the red stripe

#814 1 year ago

I will have to come back to this thread when my colordmd shows up this weekend and I need to install it!

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#815 10 months ago

LED version in a Williams Indiana Jones:

#816 10 months ago

ColorDMD LCD versus LED is really a personal choice. I have tried both and have to say, the LED versison are much brighter and feel like a color exact replacement panel version of the DMD displays originally shipped, while the LCD feels to me like a mod and is a bit lower in brightness, but can nicely 'smooth' out the screen experience. Which is better? It's really up to each owner and some machines probably feel more at home with one versus the other.

As a point of reference, I left LED in my Tales of the Arabian Nights machine.

#817 10 months ago

I have all newer sterns with the tv screens looking to buy my first dmd game Star Trek LE or premium, since I’m used to the lcd wouldnt I be better served staying with what I’m used too.

#818 10 months ago
Quoted from Sluggo39:

I have all newer sterns with the tv screens looking to buy my first dmd game Star Trek LE or premium, since I’m used to the lcd wouldnt I be better served staying with what I’m used too.

Like I said, I wish there was a magic answer, but it's really a personal preference. I have newer Stern and older WPC machines and I don't think it's as easy as staying with what you are used to. I suggest looking online at many of the posted COLORDMD youtube videos for LED and LCD and decide for yourself. The panels are about the same cost, so it's really up to you. The LCD does have a few operational mode settings, so you can mostly emulate a dot-oriented DMD display, albiet not nearly as bright as the LED version.

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#819 51 days ago

I’m torn between LCD and LED. Basically I want it to look like original style, just full color. I’m not a fan of it being super smooth, looks too perfect and unnatural IMO. What is the best one for what I’m looking for?

#820 51 days ago
Quoted from grantnel:

I What is the best one for what I’m looking for?

LED for your needs 100%

#821 51 days ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

LED for your needs 100%

Totally agree.

#822 51 days ago
Quoted from grantnel:

I’m torn between LCD and LED. Basically I want it to look like original style, just full color. I’m not a fan of it being super smooth, looks too perfect and unnatural IMO. What is the best one for what I’m looking for?

I suggest reaching out to local Pinsiders and seeing both in person. My games are in a basement, and I keep the lighting low while playing. I think LED would have been too bright for my needs. The LCD has multiple modes, including 2 sizes of dots, as well as a lot of other adjustments. Being able to switch things up was a big bonus for me. Every game, and personal preference differs.

The fact that we have a choice, and access to the older games to upgrade really points to the fact that we really might be in the golden age of pinball. Prices are high, but choices abound.

#823 51 days ago

The LED us dimmable I believe

#824 51 days ago

I have owned multiple machines with both now and this is my stance. If it’s a sega stern white star…or later…go LCD. LotR and tspp look great with it. It suits the period of technology well.

If it’s a Ballys/Williams, go LED. Feels retro. Great on STTNG and Indy

#825 51 days ago
Quoted from grantnel:

I’m torn between LCD and LED. Basically I want it to look like original style, just full color. I’m not a fan of it being super smooth, looks too perfect and unnatural IMO. What is the best one for what I’m looking for?

Quoted from Scandell:

I have owned multiple machines with both now and this is my stance. If it’s a sega stern white star…or later…go LCD. LotR and tspp look great with it. It suits the period of technology well.
If it’s a Ballys/Williams, go LED. Feels retro. Great on STTNG and Indy

You have excellent taste. That LOTR is LCD and STTNG is LED. Its perfect. LED for Bally Williams and LCD for Stern. LoTR currently on dots XL.

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#826 18 days ago

It may be buried in this thread, but I was curious if on the LCD you are able to easily toggle between the DOTS, DOTXL, TILE, 8BIT, HIRES and SCAN rendering modes as a menu feature. How does this work? Thanks in advance

#827 18 days ago
Quoted from dq13:

It may be buried in this thread, but I was curious if on the LCD you are able to easily toggle between the DOTS, DOTXL, TILE, 8BIT, HIRES and SCAN rendering modes as a menu feature. How does this work? Thanks in advance

Yep, just select in the menu and go. Very simple. Pick the one you like best. Most people seem to like the DOTXL, but some like the HIRES. Personally I like the dot modes because they look the most like the original DMD, except with color added.

#828 18 days ago

LCD DOTSXL is the only way to go. The LED is harsh on the eyes and very pinpointed specs of light

#829 18 days ago
Quoted from sataneatscheese:

You have excellent taste. That LOTR is LCD and STTNG is LED. Its perfect. LED for Bally Williams and LCD for Stern. LoTR currently on dots XL.
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#830 18 days ago
Quoted from WackyBrakke:

LCD DOTSXL is the only way to go. The LED is harsh on the eyes and very pinpointed specs of light

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#831 18 days ago
Quoted from WackyBrakke:

LCD DOTSXL is the only way to go. The LED is harsh on the eyes and very pinpointed specs of light

I used to think that, I must have bought at least 8 LCD screens. I recently got the LED version and changed my mind.
Also scanlines works well on some games like TWD.

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#832 18 days ago

After owning both LCD & LED, I have come to the conclusion.... either LCD & LED is better than original.

#833 17 days ago

LCD looks weird imo, go LED.

#834 17 days ago

LED looks weird IMO, go LCD.

#835 17 days ago

The one thing about the LCD people don't mention is how it reflects light. If the game has spotlights on the slings they reflect right off the LCD and you can't see it for shit anyway. Everytime I see a game with an LCD running any other mode than DotsXL I cringe. I think the Simpsons is the only exception, maybe Family Guy but I haven't actually seen it.

#836 17 days ago
Quoted from Darscot:

The one thing about the LCD people don't mention is how it reflects light. If the game has spotlights on the slings they reflect right off the LCD and you can't see it for shit anyway.

Funny, I had the opposite experience. I put an LED ColorDMD in my Metallica Premium and it looked like crap until I put a DMD polarized glare guard on it from Comet Pinball. Without the glare guard, it reflected on the playfield glass and also reflected light from the playfield. The LCD version is naturally polarized and doesn't reflect as much. By the time you buy the glare guard the prices are about the same.

Quoted from Darscot:

Everytime I see a game with an LCD running any other mode than DotsXL I cringe.

Agreed. It looks terrible on every game I have seen it except TSPP. I think a lot of people see the Hires mode where the dots are all joined and don't realize there is a range of choices of dot modes on the LCD version. When looking side by side by side, the LCD looks the most like a colorized DMD as far as the dot size and spacing. On the LED, the dots are too small doesn't look like a colorized DMD.

#837 17 days ago

I’ve come to a conclusion. It’s YOUR game, order what YOU like.

#838 17 days ago

So, I hope color dmd gonna do AMH.

#839 17 days ago
Quoted from dnapac:

So, I hope color dmd gonna do AMH.

Why?! Alternate solutions were already implemented. Maybe there's a handful of owners that would prefer an LCD, but hardly seems worth the effort to satisfy that. It's not going to be done.

On LED vs LCD, I agree it depends on the game. I've tried both on some games and sometimes one looks better than the other. On games that have especially good graphics work, I like LCD for the Hires mode. Looks great on LoTR and PoTC.

#840 17 days ago
Quoted from HighVoltage:

Why?! Alternate solutions were already implemented. Maybe there's a handful of owners that would prefer an LCD, but hardly seems worth the effort to satisfy that. It's not going to be done.
On LED vs LCD, I agree it depends on the game. I've tried both on some games and sometimes one looks better than the other. On games that have especially good graphics work, I like LCD for the Hires mode. Looks great on LoTR and PoTC.

Just trying. No hate.

#841 16 days ago
Quoted from John_I:

Funny, I had the opposite experience. I put an LED ColorDMD in my Metallica Premium and it looked like crap until I put a DMD polarized glare guard on it from Comet Pinball. Without the glare guard, it reflected on the playfield glass and also reflected light from the playfield. The LCD version is naturally polarized and doesn't reflect as much. By the time you buy the glare guard the prices are about the same.

Agreed. It looks terrible on every game I have seen it except TSPP. I think a lot of people see the Hires mode where the dots are all joined and don't realize there is a range of choices of dot modes on the LCD version. When looking side by side by side, the LCD looks the most like a colorized DMD as far as the dot size and spacing. On the LED, the dots are too small doesn't look like a colorized DMD.

I agree on the glare guard use them on my LED. LCD in my wood back box AC/DC and I had to use spacer so it is tilted back at a similar angle to the metal back box. Spotlights were brutal without the offset.

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