ColorDMD - LCD versus LED?

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ColorDMD - LCD versus LED?


By goatdan

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#601 3 months ago
Quoted from wxforecaster:

From the horses mouth, do you side with the opinion that the LEDs are preferred on older games w/ limited brightness levels as opposed to newer games w/ substantially more brightness levels and more full animation art?

Most people probably wouldn't notice a difference in LED characteristics between older and newer games unless it was pointed out. Even then, it's unlikely the number of brightness levels output by the game would be a deciding factor in choosing LED or LCD. Customers who start with one display type tend to stick with it across all their supported games.

#602 3 months ago

Just put a LED ColorDMD in my Premium GB : it's perfect !

#603 3 months ago

Agreed with Dmod... preference > guidelines.

LED’s have a certain look to them. Brighter, but ironically with less coverage due to the black spacing grid separating the pixels.

If intensity is your main thing, you’ll trend LED. If coverage, LCD.

I have an Addams Family with LED, but would prefer the LCD. The pixel grid bugs me. I’d rather see more fill and color.

#604 3 months ago
Quoted from NicoVolta:

Agreed with Dmod... preference > guidelines.
LED’s have a certain look to them. Brighter, but ironically with less coverage due to the black spacing grid separating the pixels.
If intensity is your main thing, you’ll trend LED. If coverage, LCD.
I have an Addams Family with LED, but would prefer the LCD. The pixel grid bugs me. I’d rather see more fill and color.

I started out with led on my Dirty Harry and it looked really well. I loved the brightness that it gave, but the dot size bothered me a little bit so I tried an lcd on my next pin. I liked it much better than the led. The dotsxl and hires are much better for me. I probably won’t go back to led. In fact, I’d be willing to swap my led and $30 for an lcd if anyone local is interested.

#605 3 months ago
Quoted from Dmod:

Most people probably wouldn't notice a difference in LED characteristics between older and newer games unless it was pointed out.

But .... but ... my soapbox!

#606 3 months ago

No one type is inherently better, it depends on what you like. But either LCD or LED is a huge improvement over the factory display, that's the big takeaway. ColorDMD has a booth at many pinball festivals where they set both displays side be side and you can judge for yourself which one you like best. And of course many of the machines have ColorDMDs so you can easily get a feel for which display type suits you best. I put an LCD in my Spider-man VE and either set it on HIRES or DOTSXL.....very happy with the result. But I would probably be happy if I had chosen an LED display. The addition of color is the big advantage to either of these formats.

#607 3 months ago

I really like that the ColorDMD LCD sits a little further back, no reflection on my playfield glass which is a nice plus, which before the my STLE and GB had a little bit of a reflection before with the stock/factory Red/Orange LED. My Harley Davidson ColorDMD LED has loads reflection even with HD glass, but the panel is not angled like my STLE & GB. ColorDMD please color the HD, I know your getting closer to fewer and fewer colorable games. PLEASE, 100# or 3 out of 3 pins have ColorDMD's in them.

#608 3 months ago
Quoted from wxforecaster:

From the horses mouth, do you side with the opinion that the LEDs are preferred on older games w/ limited brightness levels as opposed to newer games w/ substantially more brightness levels and more full animation art?

I'm not the horse's mouth, but I started the thread so...

I ended up buying (so far) one of each. LED in STTNG and LCD in Metallica. Having said that, I have been working with a collection of games that has about 10 color DMDs now on a regular basis and in short...

I think the LED looks more "correct" in the older games. It looks like how their DMDs looked, and the four color thing makes them feel just about right.

The newer Stern games I always thought their DMDs looked like they couldn't handle whatever the art was supposed to be. The LCD allows you to smooth that and make it seem more like how I would expect it to be, honestly.

I intend to get more in the future, and my rule of thumb will probably be pre-2000 games will be LED and post 2000 games will be LCD. Will have to make determinations on any Whitestar games...

#609 3 months ago

Are there any characters in the WPC pallet for Custom Message that the LCD cannot reproduce in certain non-dots modes? I wasn't really testing for anything other than getting STTNG (LCD) and CV (LED, obviously) ready for Pincinnati and I put an asterisk in both TNG does not show the asterisk, only CV does. I currently have STTNG set for HiRes but I'll try some of the other modes when I get it pulled out of the lineup and ready to pack up for transport. Obviously this could be game ROM or WPC-89 versus 95 related, etc.

#610 3 months ago
Quoted from bobukcat:

Are there any characters in the WPC pallet for Custom Message that the LCD cannot reproduce in certain non-dots modes? I wasn't really testing for anything other than getting STTNG (LCD) and CV (LED, obviously) ready for Pincinnati and I put an asterisk in both TNG does not show the asterisk, only CV does. I currently have STTNG set for HiRes but I'll try some of the other modes when I get it pulled out of the lineup and ready to pack up for transport. Obviously this could be game ROM or WPC-89 versus 95 related, etc.

I would say that the game ROM doesn't support the asterisk. Because ColorDMD doesn't display character as in text but only replaces the dots from the existing image. Worst case scenario is that your text might not be colored but should be displayed.

#611 3 months ago

I'm an LED guy now. Cheaper, smaller, easier to install, looks better, and more durable (I've seen the LCDs cracked in shipping).

I think upscaling is dumb 100% of the time so not an issue for me. If you prefer your DMD animations bastardized into blobs the LCD is your only choice.

#612 3 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I'm an LED guy now. Cheaper, smaller, easier to install, looks better, and more durable (I've seen the LCDs cracked in shipping).
I think upscaling is dumb 100% of the time so not an issue for me. If you prefer your DMD animations bastardized into blobs the LCD is your only choice.

It seems to me that most use the Dots XL on the LCD? Is it really that much better than the standard dots? I've seen a few videos of the LED running and either the cameras can't handle the display clearly or they are kind of murky or blurry? I also like that you can see the display on an LED from an angle and you lose view at angles on the LCD? I personally like to keep things as original as possible although the color screens really look fantastic enough to upgrade.

#613 3 months ago
Quoted from Koos:

I would say that the game ROM doesn't support the asterisk. Because ColorDMD doesn't display character as in text but only replaces the dots from the existing image. Worst case scenario is that your text might not be colored but should be displayed.

It's odd because it shows the asterisk when entering the custom message (otherwise I wouldn't know it was even there) but those menus aren't scaled by the modes like the actual in-game images are, it just won't show it when in attract mode which leads me to believe it's related to the scaling. The custom message text isn't colored anyway on either game.

#614 3 months ago
Quoted from bobukcat:

It's odd because it shows the asterisk when entering the custom message (otherwise I wouldn't know it was even there) but those menus aren't scaled by the modes like the actual in-game images are, it just won't show it when in attract mode which leads me to believe it's related to the scaling. The custom message text isn't colored anyway on either game.

Custom messages aren't colored by the ColorDMD system because it's just a screen of text (that can be anything) with no way to identify it. So it shows in whatever the default color is for the rom and exactly what the display signal is sending. So, the missing asterisk on that screen is what the game is sending to the display, not altered by the ColorDMD in any way.

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#615 3 months ago

I definitely prefer the LED. Much brighter and looks clearer, with no washout. LCD even looks a little bit pixelated (like the difference of looking at an older MacBook screen after seeing the Retina display).

IMO ColorDMD is not here to help us pretend that our mid 90s pin is a modern masterpiece by denying it’s a dot matrix. There is an art in the simplicity of the dot animation that’s lost in the filters of the LCDs.
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#616 3 months ago

I like LED on some games and LCD on others. The LED looks good on my ST. The one thing I couldn't get over was how much the off-pixels stood out. I didn't do a before and after on my ST, but you can see it well on the examples posted in the GB thread. I experimented with different panels and found something that really reduced this effect. Someone asked me to make one for them, and am about to do so. If anyone else wants to reduce this effect, I can make one for you too for $20. Or if you have a clear panel you want to improve, I can also provide self-adhesive polarized film for $10: it's also something I experimented with, which also helps a lot, but not as well as the panel in these pics.

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#617 3 months ago
Quoted from jonesjb:

I definitely prefer the LED. Much brighter and looks clearer, with no washout.

Ha yeah...nothing washed out anywhere else on that machine

#618 3 months ago
Quoted from jonesjb:

I definitely prefer the LED. Much brighter and looks clearer, with no washout. LCD even looks a little bit pixelated (like the difference of looking at an older MacBook screen after seeing the Retina display).

IMO ColorDMD is not here to help us pretend that our mid 90s pin is a modern masterpiece by denying it’s a dot matrix. There is an art in the simplicity of the dot animation that’s lost in the filters of the LCDs.

Very well said sir and I couldn't agree more.

#619 3 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I'm an LED guy now. Cheaper, smaller, easier to install, looks better, and more durable (I've seen the LCDs cracked in shipping).
I think upscaling is dumb 100% of the time so not an issue for me. If you prefer your DMD animations bastardized into blobs the LCD is your only choice.

Curious, do you feel this way on the newer Sterns? I feel like they have built it DMD animations that have been pre-bastardized into blobs, and some of the LCD smoothing modes help them look somewhat better. For sure those games with rendered animation I think look FAR better.

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#620 3 months ago

I like both the LCD & LED displays. I have used what is easiest to install since both look good. I have LED displays in AF, BR, A13 & BW. I have LCD displays in ST, FT, WH2O, RS, POTC, & MON

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#621 7 days ago

LCD or LED for TZ?

#622 7 days ago
Quoted from Damonator:

I sold off all my ColorDMD LCDs and went 100% LED. Here's why I like the LED better:
1) cheaper
2) uses less power (very important with multiple mods)
3) colors are more vibrant and brighter
4) plug and play (I can keep my TAF light board, not cut my TFTC speaker panel, only option for CV)
5) no dark shadow at the bottom of my Stern translights
6) no ugly bezel showing at the sides of my WPC95 games
I tried keeping a mix of the LEDs and LCDs for a while, but after you see the LED in a game, the LCDs just look washed out. Even my wife noticed a big difference and she doesn't notice much about pinball (a blessing and a curse).

I have LED in my CV. Don't you notice that it seems to take a while for the LED's top become fully bright. Also, they seem blurry to me. I saw one recently in a STLE, I did not like the look. Very bright but looked blurry IMO.

#623 7 days ago
Quoted from Edster:

I have LED in my CV. Don't you notice that it seems to take a while for the LED's top become fully bright. Also, they seem blurry to me. I saw one recently in a STLE, I did not like the look. Very bright but looked blurry IMO.

I don't understand how an LED display would look blurry.....Do they all look blurry to you?

#624 7 days ago

I just installed a LED display in my World Cup Soccer. The display looks amazing. Colors are vivid, display is crisp and clean. Not too bright at all, even in my dark basement. I went with the LED as I had no interest in the smoothing affect offered by the LCD. I wanted to stick with traditional dots. Also nice that it takes up no more room than the original display. Installed it looks factory.

#625 7 days ago
Quoted from Edster:

I have LED in my CV. Don't you notice that it seems to take a while for the LED's top become fully bright. Also, they seem blurry to me. I saw one recently in a STLE, I did not like the look. Very bright but looked blurry IMO.

I have not found this to be true. My WCS display that I just installed is crisp, defined and 100% bright from the start.

#626 7 days ago
Quoted from Edster:

Also, they seem blurry to me.

I had a similar issue.

Prescription eye glasses fixed it.

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