Yeah it’s pretty lame but what can I even do? It’s not like it really even matters in the grand scheme of things. I would say more than anything he made himself look bad for being so petty. It is what it is. I work hard on all my games and there are lots of people who project their own insecurities for some reason or another, claiming I don’t clean them or do anything with them other than flip them for profit. There are very few games I get that don’t get torn down and redone because that’s just what needs to happen with the majority of these machines due to lack of maintenance over the years. All in all I wish these people the best but I wish we could all just get back to what we are here for in the first place: pinball.

I was done with this, but I feel Jon deserves a response. Prior to yesterday I had never encountered you before. You were unpleasant and harsh in your emails. I was nothing but friendly and genuinely interested in your game. Your asking price was $4499 for a decent fish tales, high for that title. I offered 4k which is a very reasonable offer on a fish tales. You went bat shit crazy on me. People are welcome to read my original post with our conversation and draw their own conclusion. Those CL posts about you were not me, I didn't even know your last name until I saw the CL stuff about you. Apparently you have quite a history with other people in the area, and have pissed off some people. I stand by my negative feedback I posted on Pinside, you are an unpleasant person and the feedback is warranted. I am done with this fiasco. Those of you who know me and have done business with me know I am an honest good person and those of you who care to believe otherwise are welcome to your own opinion. Peace out and Happy Holidays!

My own conclusion is that he did not go "bat shit crazy" on you. He declined your offer which there's nothing wrong with doing so. Leaving negative feedback on a transaction that never happened is a dick move and you should delete it and move on with your life.

I appreciate someone else seeing it from that perspective. It is too nice of a game to let go for that price. If it was a close friend or a person I had done several deals with I would work with them and give them a fantastic deal, but after seeing the comments from other people who have had very similar issues with this individual and his retaliatory approach via Pinside and other marketplace avenues towards me I can clearly see that I made the right decision not selling to him. The only person who missed out is the guy who lost a stellar Fish Tales for a really great deal. I have no doubt this game will go to someone who truly appreciates it and that is the purpose of me putting in all this hard work on the game. I’m half tempted to keep it because it’s really nice.

You know what, maybe you are right. While my experience with this person was unpleasant perhaps I should not post feedback on a transaction that did not occur. While I still stand by my feedback and feel it is warranted, I have requested the Moderators to remove the feedback. Dunno if they will or not, but they probably will honor my request. Ok hopefully peace out and Happy Holidays for real this time!

Good move. Happy holidays to you and all the Colorado gang. Hopefully we will all be able to play together again soon. I miss league nights

Seems to me like you didn't know what he was offering. Wacky offered $4k, you replied with a bunch of comments about not want to sell to locals and countered with $4,200 but with all you other comments it looks like you were trying to convince him otherwise.

Also, your reply above makes no sense, and per you own "In defense of me" ad you posted and deleted on Craigslist today, you claimed the seller was the guy you got the Popeye and Flintstones from Mad Rabbit Distillery, And on here you posted it was Wacky. You even posted a bunch of pictures of your awesome shop job of Flintstone's and offering of your shopping services.

Who ever is making these craigslist's ads is obviously on here, maybe they will chime in.

So are you going to respond to the other member comments that had poor dealings with you or make this all about Wacky? Bought a game from you and it was the only bad experience in the 5 years of collecting so far. Looks like you're on good terms with some but slowly the skeletons are coming out of the closet.

Manadams, it was an equally bad experience for me. You started arguing about how to move a pin and you were scratching the floor in my home. When I told you about it you started giving me attitude and talking condescendingly about the situation the entire time we were loading the pin. It got so ridiculous that I told you if you didn’t stop I was going to go back inside and let you handle the rest. Then I asked you not to contact me again once the game was loaded. This is another reason I don’t deal with local people. STI knows how to move games in and out of locations without damaging the floors. I realize everyone has their method for moving pins but you have to be respectful of peoples’ homes when your method is damaging their floors and have sense enough to be flexible to ensure that nothing gets damaged further. Instead you insisted that the scratch was already there and that you hadn’t caused it. You can make this all about me being the one who gave you the bad experience but those feelings are mutual. I have asked lots of people not to contact me again and I have thousands of people blocked for this kind of pettiness. I do not get involved in drama and when things don’t go well I have no desire to repeat those bad experiences with you or with anyone else. I really don’t want to go down an endless road of explaining myself to you when you and I both know what happened. It happened long ago and we both mutually agree that we never want to do business again with each other. So let’s just leave it at that.

So does anyone have a FT, TZ, or MB that they want to sell, preferably that needs shopped?

He offered $4000 with a new set of plastics ($4000-160= $3840). I had no clue at the time who it really was that posted it but it all happened at the same time. As far as Mad Rabbit Distillery goes I bought the games from that guy over 3 weeks ago and they needed a lot of work. He was nice when I purchased the games. Then suddenly last night he is posting all over marketplace that I scammed him, calling Bill in Dacono saying that I scammed him and then targeting Bill and me in marketplace ads. The games had all been sold already and they were forgotten and suddenly this starts happening. As mentioned I don’t work with Bill and I purchased those games myself. I have no idea how purchasing games that I put a lot of work into and then resold is scamming anyone. Isn’t that what we have all done with games? But regardless I do not want to go down an endless path of justifying my actions with a lot of local people who have it in their mind that I am a scammer, a flipper, a mean person, etc. You guys can think whatever you’d like but this pettiness is exactly why I do not sell locally in most cases. If I had just kept FT on Pinside none of this childishness would’ve even occurred. So from now on I would prefer not to sell any of my games locally unless I absolutely have to. I get new titles in weekly and it’s really sad that most of them have to leave the state in order to avoid this kind of ridiculous drama. Seriously guys it’s not worth any of the headache.

Here's the real story since you went there. Showed up to buy your Roadshow, you were nice and cordial up until you had the cash in your hand. I wanted to break the pin down since that's how most are transported but you insisted on carrying it out your front door with stairs and a turn involved. I always use a stand to prop up the back end while taking the legs off but your tried to blame me for scratching your floor when there were a ton of scratches already. Since I needed your help getting the pin to my truck I caved to your demands of carrying it out on the legs even though I was worried about screwing up my back. We get it to my truck and you start complaining about the stand again and almost bail on me before fully loading it and tell me to never contact you again. Then you had the gall about a month later to inquire about a game I had for sale. That's the truth and don't get me started on what you told a seller when you missed out on that Big Guns in Ft. Collins.

The CO thread is just awash in holiday spirit today, isn't it?

Its good this stuff is getting out in the open.

It is interesting to see the common denominator in the drama and bad deals.

Jonosborne

Ps: glad to see the mods edited his initial post from this morning.

We should be talking about the Blackwater 100 and Mephisto on CL.

I'll be visiting my sister in Denver from time to time, where is a nice place to play pinball? don't care about how many machines there are, just looking for clean and level pins.

look forward to scooping some machines for her husband and kids from yall some day soon!

I recently spent some time at https://coloradopinballpub.com/. You can rent pods of games set on free play by the hour. Staff was very friendly. I rented out the side room (two pods) for myself & kids, and we had a great time. Renting the whole room was nice because you are separate from any of the other patrons. Same would go for the basement pod. You have to keep a mask on, and drinks can be consumed while playing.

I own Tilt pinball in Lousiville. Currently closed to the public, but you can rent the arcade. Have about 20 pins. And they are level.

Yeah your post is not acceptable. I have sold many games to Brakke and bought stuff and games from him. His games are really nice and does great restoration work. Jon has a business of selling games as a business but he is not a business. He is not charging sales tax, gp&l insurance or commercial space etc. It is bad for real pinball businesses like game exchange. I don’t even figure my time into my games as it is a hobby. To say you have 12 hours in it and you need to paid for it is a joke. For a fish tales $4000 is fair. You don’t freak out. You just say no I can’t do that my bottom dollar is $4200 end of story. The reason he does not want to sell to the Colorado people is he misrepresents his games. Had a new pinball buyer friend get scammed by him. He doesn’t help pinball or new enthusiasts. His luck will run out someday. Most of us don’t want to ship out of state and prefer selling local as we represent what we sell or buy. We all what he and bill are. He will get banned from pinside also in due course, it is just a matter of time.

Well said!

That is a awesome and rare game!

We can downvote?

Yes I up voted you. Cheers

Lyons Classic Pinball isn’t open to the public right now but it can be booked for private events. Bit of a drive from Denver but if you like stuff from all eras, it’s the place for you. DM me for more info.

Pinside is famous for negativity in for sale threads, but I have rarely seen a truly valid excuse for doing it. If you don't like the price, the recommendation is to silently move on.

I have toyed with the idea of seller and buyer ratings to help each other pre-screen transactions, but there's so many possibilities for abuse I never felt comfortable moving forward with it. I still believe it would help avoid some of these types of conversations though.

It is back up Kim. It is funny and true. Whoever’s ad that is funny.

denver.craigslist.org link

Thanks for your insight. Sounds like you have this hobby figured out from every economic standpoint. Give game exchange a call and tell them you want to sell your collection. I promise their offer will offend you. I have a friend who buys cars, fixes them up and resells them. Is he damaging local car dealerships? He doesn't pay taxes on it. Instead he pays bills and rent. I'm sure if Jon's stock portfolio split he would not be flipping games. Till then he's just trying to get by like the rest of us who are not "Onwallst."

Look guys sorry to interject one more time-really want to end this on fs thread (It does have to do with for sale stuff in Colorado so I guess it relates?). Anyway whoever is doing CL trolling really needs to knock it off! It is not funny(I wanted to thumbs down) and I think it meets the true definition of 'Tacky' and also a little psychotic. Let's leave the drama to CL where it belongs. Over time we will get to know each other better and build relationships with people we feel we have a connection with. We are all passionate and may not always have the same opinions-and that is ok. Let's try and celebrate the good things about the hobby and relish in those relationships that we have made. I met some of my best friends through Pinside and am very grateful(especially to a fellow pinsider who brought us together).

I had the idea of renting out Lyons Pinball to have a possible get together. I would love to meet more of you in person and have a beer. I have learned often times people are much different in person. I also want to wish everyone a great holiday with their families.
-Ryan how many people can we have at one time? (may not be feasible?)

-After the new year I may have to let go of High Roller Casino as well. I am still on the fence-I may put it in the garage but have not made up my mind yet.

Great one! You obviously know nothing about me. I support JJ and game exchange as he is important to new games in Colorado. I do support all the pinball business and bars that we can play them at. They are truly pinball and bring joy to all pinsiders. These big time flippers come and go. Flipping a few games here and there is part of the hobby. Doing any business you can have fall out as Jon is now seeing.

I am in on renting Lyons out. Great idea.

I just wanted to say one thing and this will be my last response. I support local businesses all the time. I go to Game Exchange a few times a week to buy parts to fix these games (I have to go there again today for parts on a Dolly Parton). I spent over $1000 on LEDs at Comet last month alone. I support NVRAM with purchases for voltage regulators, MPUs and other accessories as needed. I do board work all the time. I strictly don’t care if you guys think I don’t even wipe these games down because none of that is true. It is sad that I have to ship most games out of the state in order to avoid drama and issues like this. I have shipped games all over the world and have hundreds of happy repeat customers. You would all be shocked to know how many games leave this state because of this enduring pettiness. You wonder why the market is so dry? This is the exact reason. Local people don’t understand that when a game is moved things can happen that need to be addressed when the game is set up such as loose connectors, a bulb no longer making connection, a wire coming lose under the playfield, etc. I have seen other reputable local people make a sale and get blamed for these exact types of issues with claims of being scammed. The fact of the matter is that if anyone who purchased a game from me had an issue with it when they moved it all they had to do was contact me and I would help them make it right. Many people have had issues in transport and any problem that arises has always been addressed. I have never scammed anyone and those of you who have met me in person know how passionate I am about pinball, virtual pinball and refurbishing games. I’ve worked on a ton of games and take pride in making them look and play their very best. I truly wish I could share more of these games with you guys on a local level but I just don’t foresee that happening any time soon with all this negativity and disrespect for each other. My White Water from last week stayed local and went to a standup guy. I do sell locally to the right people, but sadly I am finding that these people are few and far between. Now please can we all just forget about this hostility that is brimming within us that is causing us to spew hatred from one to another? I’ve said things and done things in the past that were not the best approach. I am human and I am not perfect. I apologize if I have offended any of you with my approach in the past. But it’s time to move past all of this and just let it go. 2020 has sucked enough already for all of us. If anybody wants to contact me privately about anything please feel free to do so, but I ask that we respect the OPs wishes of letting this die out and taking it off the FS thread. All of you are welcome any time to see what I do, how I work and who I am/am not. Give me a call/text at 3038020307. Send me a PM on here. Thank you all for your time and have a great day! As a reminder this will be my last reply regarding any of this. I’m going to leave you with a quote I saw recently that we could all learn a thing or two from: “If it isn’t broken, it isn’t pinball.”

A friend up in Minneapolis is looking for a Kiss LE.
Saw one at Lyons arcade last time I was in town.
Anyone know if that game ended up someplace where the owner would consider selling?
I suppose PM me. Thank you.

I saw one recently for sale in Bedford PA.

Interesting excuse for shipping so many games out of state. Or, maybe, you could let those who actually want the games get them instead of always jumping on everything that is posted just to make a profit. I agree with Onwallst, you are not a business and you do nothing but hurt the real ones and local collectors.

I wonder want prices in our area would look like if we didn't have these flippers and everyone who wanted a game could have a fair shot at getting it. Vs. having to deal with the "Some guy just offered me $300 over what I have it listed for" when you are on your way to pick up a game. Thankfully most of the sellers I've bought from don't stoop to that level and honor the deal. But it would be nice to not have to mess with that.

Again, Look at the common denominator here.

The poorly veiled threat of "if you guys don't be nice to me I'm not going to let you buy games from me and they are going out of state" is so petty.

Anybody have a FH fs/ft?

Asking for a friend.

Sorry that game was one of my keepers and is in my living room. Good luck they are getting hard to find for sale.

Just have to tell you that ever since I saw your time machine, I’ve wanted one. Hope you are doing well. You’re a positive force for sure.

Still looking for the following:
- Stern Star Wars (Pro or Premium)
- Stern Star Trek (Pro)

I am also considering:
- Stern Kiss (Pro)
- Stern Iron Man (Pro)

Would prefer local, but willing to travel 4-5 hours to pick up the game. Not interested in getting a game shipped to me by commercial means.

Note: For those who are selling one of those games above to make room for a new arrival and that live "far" from Colorado Springs / Denver, I could also help with the pick up / delivery of your new game on my way to your place to get your "old" game. Just offering this as an option / incentive to sell your "old" game...

Wow. Was shocked when I saw 98 new posts in this thread. Now I just want my 20 minutes back....

Well, it is Festivus season. Now that the Airing of Grievences is completed, I suppose the Feats of Strength is next?

Since we are getting to 2021. Looking for guesses on what will shock! What will awe and what will disappoint the pinball world for 2021. How does pinball do after the end of pandemic in Colorado? What is going to be hot older title and newer titles? What are we hoping for in 2021?

I am hoping that all the pinball locations can reopen and business explodes!

For 2021 hoping for “normalcy” and be able to reopen to the public. And agree that I hope business explodes to make up for the losses of 2020.

Summit county is back up and running. Co bar in Frisco is open with all game’s on.

For 2021 I'm hoping to sell DNO a bunch of my games.

Going thru the basement getting ready to move if the contract on the house goes thru (contingent on them selling) found a blue side rail and both sets of art for a Dialed In LE (right side as your playing I believe) Anyone want them? Don’t want to ship though. Pickup in Evergreen.

Did the buyer love the game room? One of my favorites on the game room thread. Good luck with the move

Any games going up for sale?

I have a HUO cocktail style video table that I need to sell.
I had it custom made by Classicade about 10 years ago with no game logos on the top which I think looks classier in a home collection. The CRT is bright like new and has 4 games on it. Ms PacMan, Donkey Kong, Frogger and Galaga. Has a coin door but never once had a quarter dropped through it.

I'm looking to avoid moving it twice so first reasonable offer gets it. Cash and carry.
Thanks

$25