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Color DMD Hints

By TopMoose

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#340 5 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

You realize it has been recently colorized?

Does anyone else think some of the colorizing on PotC is kind of...weird? It's the first one I've seen where I say "that's not right" on some of the sequences. Like the Kraken with green tentacles with blue highlights? Looks totally wrong. Same issue with the Kraken where it explodes - green/blue tentacles and bright pinky purple blood? No. The light blue lines would have been better in a darker green or black. As it is now, it looks weird in both those sequences. Also, the Skull with the headband is kind of a mess, especially on the one where its looking down a little.

Like I said, I've got a few ColorDMDs, and I lust after many more, but this is the first one where I wasn't totally onboard with the color choices.

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#788 5 years ago
Quoted from Sethman:

Newest hint:Sweet and simple

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#894 4 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

We got one! A hint that is.

Michael J Fox = Spin City = Twister.

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#1006 4 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Got color? Just installed my new LED ColorDMD. Can't say my scores will be improving with color.

The only ColorDMD I have a gripe with is PotC. They went crazy on the coloring choices. The Kracken green and bright blue is just too weird. There are other weird choices, too. An unusual miss, IMO, which is sad because easily 85% of it is solid.

#1008 4 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/colordmd-aargh-game-36-be-ere
Post #34 is where the colorist talks about the colors he choose.

Yeah, but green and bright blue Kraken is just nonsense. The Kraken plastics on the game are green and dark green, which would have been perfectly acceptable. There's creative license and then there's whatever you call a green and bright blue Kraken.

Like I said, PotC is the only Color DMD I've seen/owned that I have a problem with, mostly because it's so far out of bounds artistically. I'll definitely think twice about getting any others done by the same person.

All that said, Randy at colorDMD did tell me they would "take a look at making some adjustments In the future." and asked for a scan of the game plastics as a color guide. It couldn't hurt to email him if the Kraken coloring bugs you, too, to say you'd support a change to a more rational coloring scheme. His email is [email protected]. Maybe if he hears from enough customers, they'll "front burner" the change.

#1129 4 years ago
Quoted from TopMoose:

Time for an update! Here's what's left:
STERN (27 games)
24; Austin Powers; Avatar; Big Buck Hunter; CSI; Elvis; Game of Thrones; Ghostbusters; Harley Davidson; High Roller Casino; Indiana Jones; KISS; Mustang; Nascar/Dale Jr.; NBA; NFL; Playboy; Ripley's; Sharkey's Shootout; Shrek; Star Trek; Striker Extreme; The Rolling Stones; Transformers; Walking Dead; Wheel of Fortune; Wrestle-mania
WILLIAMS/BALLY/MIDWAY (16 games)
Black Rose; Champions Pub; Corvette; Dirty Harry; Gilligan's Island; Hurricane; Indianapolis 500; Jack-Bot; Junk Yard; NBA Fastbreak; No Fear; Safe Cracker; Terminator 2; Party Zone; WHO dunnit; World Cup Soccer
SEGA (16 games)
Batman Forever; Baywatch; Godzilla; GoldenEye; Harley Davidson; Independence Day; Lost In Space; Mary Shelley's Frankenstein; Space Jam; Star Wars Trilogy; Starship Troopers; The Lost World: Jurassic Park; The X-files; Twister; Viper Night Drivin'
DATA EAST (7 games)
The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle and Friends; Jurassic Park; Last Action Hero ;Lethal Weapon 3 ;Maverick; Tales from the Crypt; WWF Royal Rumble
CAPCOM (4 games)
Airborne; Big Bang Bar; Breakshot; Pinball Magic
ALVIN G (3 games)
Al's Garage Band goes on a World Tour; Mystery Castle; Pistol Poker
PREMIER/GOTTLIEB (15 games)
Barb Wire; Cue Ball Wizard; Frank Thomas' Big Hurt; FREDDY, Nightmare on Elm Street; Gladiators; Mario Andretti; Rescue 911; Shaq Attack; Stargate; Street Fighter II; Super Mario Bros.; Tee'd Off; Waterworld; Wipe Out; World Challenge Soccer
SPOOKY (1 Game):
America's Most Haunted
Half sized DMD games:
Checkpoint, TMNT, Batman, Star Trek, Hook

You should put this at the end of your original post on page one and update it there. It's super handy, but when I have to go looking for the latest one, it's a pain. If it was on page one, post one and just updated there, it would be very EASY to find!

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#1170 4 years ago

If it's Blue Moon, it's probably a title people have been asking for FOREVER, i.e. "once in a Blue Moon".

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#1368 4 years ago

Well that's at least two dozen sales...

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#1391 4 years ago

Obviously they're illustrating the randomness of fate in battle as you rise to fortune. Clearly Wheel of Fortune.

#1396 4 years ago
Quoted from phillymadison:

I agree. My initial guess was and still is Royal Rumble. It wasn't until I image searched the picture and saw that it was from Game of Thrones.

If it is that's another low-sales-potential release. I know they're bound somewhat by their colorists, but you'd think they'd try to balance the releases more with higher potential sales targets.

#1399 4 years ago
Quoted from phillymadison:

I disagree the Royal Rumble community is bigger than most think. It's not TZ or anything but WWFRR is loved my their owners. Wrestlemania is a different story lol. But it's just my guess and my guess doesn't make it confirmed by any means. But when you think about it what is left that's a high selling title that's code is complete enough? TWD only comes to mind.

It's a low-dollar, low desirability pin. I don't think a large amount of people are going to drop $400 on it to get color. You have to think of the Color DMD as a percentage of machine value. The larger that percentage, the less likely the upgrade will be bought.

#1401 4 years ago
Quoted from GravitaR:

Every Low Dollar pin colored brings in more sales for ColorDMD, win - win.

At some point, though, opportunity cost comes into play.

#1403 4 years ago
Quoted from gac:

I will respectfully disagree. If someone owns the game and really likes it, they will spend the money on the colordmd. Just like they are willing to spend $350 on a Pinsound board for the same machine. As an example, I wouldn't consider Fish Tales much more valuable than Royal Rumble (I own both so I'm not biased) and I'm pretty sure colordmd sales for FT were very strong. I bought a colordmd for my FT and I would buy one for Royal Rumble too. Just my 2 cents.

I'm not saying SOME won't, just that on a (relatively) cheap machine, there's not a large crowd that will drop $400 for color. On the list of un-colorized pins in the OP, WWF RR would be around the mid-bottom for potential color DMD sales.

But none of that matters because this next one is for Wheel of Fortune!

#1406 4 years ago
Quoted from gac:

Or Wheel of Fortune. Never seen one in person.

That's the joke. Wheel of Fortune is probably Stern's most unfinished game that will never be completed. Sold like crap, has terrible resale value.

#1409 4 years ago
Quoted from Taxman:

There was not a lot of love when it came out. There was some company across the boarder in Canada that bout a crap load of WOF and WPT machines on close out. They were selling them for $2,500 NIB + shipping. I called and they quoted me $300 shipping but I still could not pull the trigger on buying either.

You made the right choice. I had trouble unloading a MINT one for $2200 a few years ago. The missing code is SO obvious it ruins the game (and the "voice acting" is terrible, too).

#1474 4 years ago
Quoted from TopMoose:

I've just updated the yet-to-be-colorized list on post 1 and have a question for the group:
Does Sega Harley Davidson have different animations than Stern Harley Davidson? I've never played either, but know that they spanned the transition when Sega became Stern. Aren't they basically the same game?

Same game, can use the same roms. Not sure if they tweaked it for 2nd and 3rd editions.

#1475 4 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

TWD rom will work in all existing ColorDMD displays.

Might want to have a look at Eric's bio, specifically "Wisconcin's" area.

#1484 4 years ago

Okay, what's next? Game of Thrones?

#1485 4 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

Safecracker would have to be LED only, due to space.

Eric's bio still has the typo in it on the FB page for walking dead:

"or rolling with Wisconcin's infamous "Ballers for Dollars" crew"

#1492 4 years ago
Quoted from Cornelius:

God I hope I can find a cheap WOF someday. I'd love one!

That's what I thought. Didn't last a year. Had a hard time unloading it for $2500.

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#1556 4 years ago

Wow, that Stern list is getting short. Only 23 games left on it...hopefully they figure out Spike soon and we see the first of those.

-3
#1569 4 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

I'm not sure enough people own Mustang to bother. Heeeeyyooooooooo.

It'd be a race to the sales bottom with Transformers. Ba dum bump.

#1572 4 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

I think BDK might be holding the low sales crown. Heh.

Transformers already surpassed BDK? Wow...never would have guessed that.

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#1594 4 years ago
Quoted from hank527:

AP. was he not at this hotel in the movie?

I think it was the Riviera, Imperial Palace, and Stardust in the movie.

#1598 4 years ago

"Wynn" ter is coming, clearly points this as being Game of Thrones. The Spike nut has been cracked!

#1609 4 years ago

Maybe they were misdirecting and it really is Austin Powers. Magic Wand? Yeah, Baby, yeah!

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Dunno what the hat's supposed to be though...

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#1821 4 years ago
Quoted from Taxman:

Also, Raul is from "A"ddams and this bunny is from "P"layboy - "AP"

Almost, but not quite. Addams + Playboy is indeed AP, meaning Austin Powers as any simpleton can deduce, HOWEVER, the trail does not end there. Austin Powers has a toilet prominently featured, so this is quite clearly leading us to the color DMD for Game of Thrones.

#1843 4 years ago

Well, now there can be no doubt.

As we know, Addams + Playboy is indeed AP, meaning Austin Powers as any simpleton can deduce. That led to the fact that Austin Powers has a toilet, or THRONE, prominently featured.

And now there's promotional photo of Rex Harrison ("Hairy - Son") standing next to a horse. This is quite clearly a reference to Jon Snow, with his famous "mane" of hair. The fact that Rex had a grandson named Sam just as Jon Snow's best friend is Sam seals the deal. HBO also does extensive promotional photos, just like this one. There can be no other conclusion since these baby level clues have given it all away. Game of Thrones is the next Color DMD.

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#1873 4 years ago

We know it's video, so TV or movie. And it's on a hero - like, say, Jon Snow. They've given it all away already. It can only be Game of Thrones.

#1893 4 years ago

We know it's video, so TV or movie. And it's on a hero - like, say, Jon Snow. Then we have a pic of this hero flying up a wall and into the air. Very Jon Snow/Wall. This is totally Game of Thrones.

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#1991 4 years ago

Coors on ice. Ice=winter. Winter is coming. Game of Thrones.

#2040 4 years ago
Quoted from TopMoose:

Hooray and congrats, Rocky & Bullwinkle owners! This is going to be spectacular. Can't wait for the video preview!

Fingers crossed there are no weird color choices like the neon blue and green Kraken in Pirates he colored. Pirates is the only ColorDMD I thought missed the mark.

#2043 4 years ago
Quoted from Micky:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this!

I actually sent them scans of NOS plastics of the Kraken to show how off base the color choices were when they said they'd look into it. All that Kraken coloring is just plain wrong and looks dumb (which is very uncharacteristic for ColorDMD output). Hopefully Rocky and Bullwinkle has nothing like that.

#2045 4 years ago
Quoted from J85M:

If someone is willing to look a POTC on their own time surely ColourDMD would give the okay? No reason a game can't have two coloured versions to choose from is there?

I don't think they'd want to split the release like that. It's not a good precedent. Pretty sure everyone would just want the "better-colored Kraken" version in the end anyway.

#2047 4 years ago
Quoted from Dmod:

It's being looked at. Vic, do you still own this game?

That's great to hear, with just a few tweaks it could be right up with the best of the COLORDMD releases. I don't have the machine I had last year anymore, but that's not to say I wouldn't get another at some point. Here's the screens I sent you about a year ago...

Original sample
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Modified-blue removed
kraken-fix-sample (resized).jpg
Modified title also to unify coloring with multiplier bonus screen
kraken-fix-sample2 (resized).jpg
Original bonus screen sample
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#2049 4 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

I still have my POTC. While I will agree, the Kraken looks better without the blue, the yellow text perfect to me.

The Kraken coloring is the only thing that is 100% without a doubt, indefensibly wrong. Everything else is taste, and I would have no problem if they only addressed the Kraken coloring. It would bring the release in line with all other ColorDMD games at a specific level of quality.

#2118 4 years ago
Quoted from Dmod:

On behalf of ColorDMD and the developer group, I'd like to thank everyone for the continued support. It's truly appreciated!
At any moment, ColorDMD has been supporting more than a dozen active projects with as many developers. Most of the popular titles are in progress. Some projects take time, or face delays, for technical or personal reasons.
Often, less popular titles have been easier to complete and move through development more quickly. We'll continue to help fund their development, provide support, and introduce titles (popular or not) as they reach completion.
In the end we hope to make everyone happy and provide a lasting contribution to the hobby!
Randy

Would not consider leaving a ColorDMD off a machine for which it is available. You guys have ruined "traditional" plasma displays for me.

#2120 4 years ago
Quoted from gunstarhero:

Trufax. My first Color DMD went in the TZ you sold me Vic!!
Totally looking forward to WCS and Jackbot!

Haha. It's a small community, after all.

Jackbot is on my "to get again" list. I love that game and the integrated "cheating" built into it. They did third button gameplay before anyone else on that machine.

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#2188 4 years ago

Dynamite = Dyn-O-Mite = JJ Walker = Good Times = GT aka GoT. Game of Thrones confirmed.

#2197 4 years ago
Quoted from phillymadison:

New clue up
Almost got lost in my feed cause of I'm friends with a lot of wrestling fans

Ah! The Dragon Dive! Game of Thrones confirmed.

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#2317 4 years ago
Quoted from Taxman:

So is it Indy 500?

Sure looks like Indy 500 cabinet fade...

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#2442 4 years ago
Quoted from hank527:

This one is definitely DH and I finally got the clues.
Hoping a Stern title is next. Star Wars would be awesome.

Quoted from hank527:

This one is definitely DH and I finally got the clues.
Hoping a Stern title is next. Star Trek would be awesome.

Star Trek, Star Wars, which is it?!

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#2483 4 years ago
Quoted from Sinestro:

It will be a significant milestone to close out the Bally/Williams titles. Something to be proud of.
That does leave an awful lot of Data East/Sega/Stern titles to keep them going for years.
I also have to think that they have ideas for something else down the road....a new revenue generator for existing customers....some kind of newer display that will make people want to upgrade. I'd be shocked if they haven't kicked some ideas around for how to stay in business after everything is colorized.

Going the AFMr way of offering jumbo LCD screens with re-drawn, higher-res graphics would be awesome.

#2486 4 years ago
Quoted from MustangPaul:

I hope Jackbot is coming soon but it was such a low production game it might be last of the 8.

Lower than Champion Pub? Congo? World Poker Tour? I don't think the size of the run absolutely determines the order.

And Jackbot would be nice to have in color.

#2488 4 years ago
Quoted from MustangPaul:

Well those HD displays would be a good way to go but then someone would have to completly redraw everything wouldn't they.

But it's one and done. An in a lot of cases, the elements on screen are moving and would only need to be drawn once, then moved for the next frame. Each frame would not need to be drawn from scratch.

I'm sure they could fetch a premium for high-res large format graphics (although that would require a new bezel, too) for older, popular B/W games.

#2490 4 years ago
Quoted from MustangPaul:

2450 I think, how many for the other ones. I know the size of the run doesn't matter but there are so few JB's out there compared to those that the chances of owning a JB and coloring it are pretty slim.

Champion pub was just a few hundred over 1000, so probably 1/2 as much as Jackbot. Congo and WPT were less than JB.

#2492 4 years ago
Quoted from MustangPaul:

I thought the HD screen was the same size as a regular dmd.

In the case of AFMr, the screen on the SE and LE is about 40% bigger (wider/taller) than a regular dmd AND has re-drawn hi-res graphics. Looks fantastic.

#2494 4 years ago
Quoted from MustangPaul:

A year or two ago I thought someone showed a HD lcd screen that was the same size as a regular dmd. They said it had 4 or 8 times the rez or something like that.

I'm sure they exist, but after seeing the oversized AFMr color ones, that's all I want on all my DMDs!

#2500 4 years ago
Quoted from Sinestro:

ColorDMD would definitely have to license the ROMS for that, then re-draw the dots at a higher bit rate. Same as MMR.
This could be one of the options they are considering for the future.

For original themes, would they? A LOT of Bally/Williams art for playfields, backglasses, etc was never registered.

#2508 4 years ago

color_dmd_hint (resized).jpg

Playboy?

#2685 4 years ago
Quoted from BillPinball:

The WCS demo looked great as well!!

Thanks for posting that. Looks great! Hopefully someone can grab some video.

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#2807 3 years ago
Quoted from japespin:

Any IM / SM / TF owners care to share how video clips look like on their LCD with Dots XL and scan mode? Would love to see the difference, as I'm trying to decide whether to go LCD or LED myself.

I would stick with LCD. WAY more flexibility. LED is good for applications where you HAVE to do it so it fits, but that's about it, IMO.

#2822 3 years ago
Quoted from yzfguy:

Woah. That looks sick! The scene with the guy lying behind the grass looks fantastic!

And since you see that scene a LOT, even better news!

#2825 3 years ago
Quoted from Monk:

What setting is the preview video in? Is it even an LCD or is it an LED?

Pretty sure it's just the video file from the computer they colored it on. They're not shooting video of the screen displaying the color video.

#2827 3 years ago
Quoted from Dmod:

It's directly filmed from an LCD running in DOXL mode.

I stand corrected!

#2831 3 years ago

Here's the post from the beginning of the year with what's left. Scratch off the ones that have been done this year.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/2017-which-colordmd-do-you-want-poll-included#post-3564664

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#2837 3 years ago
Quoted from MustangPaul:

A 3d tl would be nice too.

Given the small run, you're probably asking way too much. ColorDMD and I'd be fine.

#2846 3 years ago
Quoted from Dmod:

The original Facebook post did not include the correctly licensed image. Fixed...

Thought you were going deep on that one to mock up and unlicensed ghosted watermark on a licensed image to reinforce that this is Ghostbusters...

#2876 3 years ago
Quoted from Dmod:

I see that Pharmacy link on google too but when I right click and "copy link address" it's a long convoluted address and not the simple "www.colordmd.com/support.html" address that it shows when you mouse over it.

That's google's referral address they use for tracking. It's that way for everything you click in google search.

If you click on "show more results from colordmd.com" and then find another on that list with a pharmacy heading, you can click the small green arrow on the right of the title to load the cached version of the page, which will show you the pharmacy page that was loading.

Looks like these pages on your site were affected:
support.html
support_firmware.html
faq.html
colorchange.html

I also didn't realize you had a colorDMD forum, but google indexed it.

#2900 3 years ago
Quoted from volkdrive:

IJ4?
Borg design, the trophy is like a grail and Indy finds lost treasures?

Makes more sense than KISS, dammit.

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#2937 3 years ago
Quoted from BillPinball:

LVDS signal? Acronym for...

Low Voltage Differential Signal, I think.

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#2967 3 years ago

Isn't it about time for another set of hints?

#2987 3 years ago

Halls of Steel = Carnegie Hall = Carnegie's Deli = Jewish = Israel = Gene Simmons
Two worlds = US and Israel.

It's KISS.

#3007 3 years ago

EDIT: I have plenty of volunteers now! No more needed.

Anyone in the US buying a ColorDMD for one of the newer Sterns with the angled panel that requires the standoffs - if you want to test out some die cut foam spacers I'm working on that enclose the display borders, covering the gap from the spacers, PM me. I'll send a few of you a set for free if you document your install with pics and let me know how it works for you. I've always hated the electrical tape solution, and this is a very quick and clean install.

#3010 3 years ago
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

Very nice of you to offer this.

Pretty sure it's ready to be sold as an accessory. I love the fit and it's a huge improvement over draping layers of electrical tape around the edges to seal the light. But, I'd like to have a few pinsiders test it out on their machines to make sure I didn't miss something in the design/install.

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#3050 3 years ago
Quoted from DCFAN:

Ghostbusters then?

Don't play with my emotions like that.

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#3077 3 years ago
Quoted from TopMoose:

Black Crows/Black Rose. Nicely done, dmod

Black Crowes. You're welcome.

#3081 3 years ago
Quoted from ts4z:

What's left? Jack*Bot, Hurricane, Who Dunnit, NBA Fastbreak, ... and, uh, Ticket Tac Toe?

From the OP:
Hurricane; Jack-Bot; NBA Fastbreak; Party Zone; WHO dunnit

#3109 3 years ago
Quoted from kermit24:

Wait? Until when exactly? The Stern of the Union today said "mid summer" for the start of the updates that include GB. Lots of GB owners have money ready today for color.

Given how many pins are ganged into the mid-summer (which is probably August) start of polish/finish updates, it could be the end of the year before GB or KISS has more code. I wouldn't hold my breath.

#3123 3 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

Not sure how much detail I should get into, but essentially an amount of compensation is offered up front, and the person offering to do the work can take it or leave it. It does vary by title, but sales after the fact do not affect it.

What do you think of the way AfMr is handling the colorization? They have quite a few ugly and abrupt palette swaps (most notably during Martian attack when something else happens - the Martians turn orange briefly). It seems like that could have been smoothed out, but I don't know what their system is. It's almost like instead of native color, they're doing what you're doing, but not quite as well, since when there are issues orange is what is seen briefly.

Edit:Here's just one example. When the score is static, it's colorized, but as soon as it begins scrolling up off the screen, it turns to solid green for that entire animation. There are examples like this all over the game in many of the animations that I don't think we would ever see in a ColorDMD release. Seems really sloppy.

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#3125 3 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

When the video of MMr's color first came out, I was *SURE* they were leveraging the fact that they're using an emulator to inject NEW assets in place of the existing DMD assets. Turned out, that wasn't the case. I haven't seen AFMR in person, but from what I know of the MMR display and what you're describing, they basically do the same sort of thing EARLY ColorDMD did to detect what's on the screen and basically draw over it with their newly created assets. ColorDMD has evolved a ton since those days and has a lot more capabilities that they don't seem to have. They mentioned at some point that they left the text in the original resolution as a style choice. That's crap. They can't detect dynamic items on the screen, so it stays in the original resolution with a color box overlay.

It just seemed...less advanced than I was expecting. And some of the transitions are jarring with the orange popping in. It seems like having a table and just swapping one original thing for a high res frame in another buffer would be a much better way to go. In the era of hotdog/not hotdog, it's not like they can't recognize the shape of dynamic things in the low res buffer and remake that in a high-res buffer dynamically.

#3129 3 years ago
Quoted from Cheeks:

This is exactly what I was going to quote. Hilarious!
Better question, does ColorDMD's superiority to MMr/AFMr technology have to do with your use of Middle-Out technology?

It's all about d2f ratios to get smooth hot swaps.

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#3140 3 years ago

Where's Waldo = WW, which seems close to WWF, so WWF Royal Rumble?

#3171 3 years ago
Quoted from lodgingdolphin:

(W) Where's (W) Waldo (F) Fergie....Perhaps this will be the next clue?

Yep. Still sticking by this being WWF Royal Rumble. I expect a LOT of hot pink.

#3181 3 years ago

Holy crap. I can't believe I called one right first. I guess if you play long enough you have to win eventually...

#3183 3 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

Broken clock ... yadda yadda yadda ... two times a day.

I'm happy with one. If I can get to a "broken clock" TWO times, that will be a miracle.

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#3215 3 years ago

Yeah I can see "Bash" equalling Slugfest. Frontrunner.

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#3264 3 years ago
Quoted from PinMonk:

EDIT: I have plenty of volunteers now! No more needed.
Anyone in the US buying a ColorDMD for one of the newer Sterns with the angled panel that requires the standoffs - if you want to test out some die cut foam spacers I'm working on that enclose the display borders, covering the gap from the spacers, PM me. I'll send a few of you a set for free if you document your install with pics and let me know how it works for you. I've always hated the electrical tape solution, and this is a very quick and clean install.

Just an update. After a LOT of testing with a LOT of materials, we finally have the final material for these ColorDMD gaskets to finish the slanted speaker panel installations cleanly.

The final design is black, heat resistant, fire resistant (will self-extinguish even if you start it with a blowtorch), spongy, and uv resistant. I should have production samples in a week or so, and we should have all of them made in about a month (material in the thickness we need is a special order at the manufacturer). Maybe a little overkill, but I wanted it to do the job well and also be as safe as possible.

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#3279 3 years ago

Seems too obvious. Usually the clues point to the obvious when it's really something else...

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#3303 3 years ago
Quoted from j_m_:

how is SST not an abbreviation for starship troopers here on pinside yet? I had to scratch my head for a while before I could figure out which pin northvibe was talking about

Probably because Starship is one word, so it's just ST, and that doesn't work either.

#3325 3 years ago
Quoted from Sinestro:

I think it's a matter of opinion. If one is sticking with the dots, I think the LED's look better, brighter.

Brighter, definitely. Better? Uh, no.

#3327 3 years ago
Quoted from Sinestro:

If you're just wanting dots, and it's not a SAM or SPIKE game with many shades, why is the LED worse?

Dot pitch looks weird. Either too bright or not bright enough. No happy medium.

No DotXL mode.

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#3335 3 years ago

Allison Williams. Her dad is the one who makes up news stories starring him and got demoted to MSNBC as a result.

#3338 3 years ago
Quoted from DCFAN:

Hurricane? Allison Williams=Williams game ? "Get out" of town when a Hurricane is coming?

I was thinking more "A. Williams" as in, it's a williams game. Not sure if the Get Out is significant, but probably so. Good news is, the Williams list is very short now, so not many candidates to guess. Could be Slugfest, too, with Get Out kinda mapping to "Take me out to the ball game".

#3346 3 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

"Get Out." Famous Arnold quote.

But the Allison Williams aka A Williams is too much of a coincidence. I don't think it's a Data East game.

#3351 3 years ago

Just put up a thread with pictures of the production sample version of the gasket that makes the install of ColorDMD on Sterns with the angled speaker panels and ColorDMD LCD look a lot more clean.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/colordmd-gasket-for-angled-stern-speaker-panels#post-4428586

#3359 3 years ago
Quoted from Pinzap:

A Williams... Do I feel lucky? Jack-bot is "A Sure Bet" according to the original marketing flyer!!

Definitely swinging towards Jack*Bot.

#3378 3 years ago

Jackbot, confirmed.

A. Williams
Do you feel lucky (casino talk)
Read 'em and Weep (gambling with cards - center of Jack*Bot playfield)

3 weeks later
#3392 3 years ago
Quoted from camcamaro1991:

July is nearly here, new hints please.
please oh please GB's ColorDMD!!!

Man, Ghostbusters in color would be GREAT.

1 week later
#3410 3 years ago
Quoted from TopMoose:

I guess this narrows the options from three down to two - Last Action Hero or Maverick.

Lethal Weapon 3 - Mel was IN it and Schwartzenegger has played one
Last Action Hero - Arnold only. Doubt it's this.
Maverick - Mel Gibson was IN it, and Schwartzenegger could be considered one.

#3422 3 years ago
Quoted from Sinestro:

I was and am a huge Arnold fan. That movie, minus a few funny lines, was a disaster.
Fortunately, he redeemed himself the next summer with True Lies.

The story from the original writers of how it ended up the disaster it was on screen is pretty interesting.

2 weeks later
#3504 3 years ago
Quoted from MustangPaul:

Hi guys I need some help. Just installed a colordmd in my Jackbot and now the trough optos don't work, it's a known issue. I want to power the dmd with a 2 amp 12v wall wart and need to know which of the 3 wires are +. - and ground and do I need a ground wire if using a wall wart? Thanks
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Mmmm...did you clean the optos (send and receiver) and check the power level supplied to them without a ColorDMD at all? Usually it's just that the power supply needs to be rebuilt because the opto power is right on the edge and the little bit the colordmd takes pushes it over the edge. Cleaning the optos and/or rebuilding the power supply if the power is on the low side should fix your problem and is preferable to introducing a wall wart.

Do you have other mods that draw power in the machine?

#3508 3 years ago
Quoted from MustangPaul:

The optos were cleaned a few months ago so that's not the problem, I have an OCD and a GI OCD on the game, nothing else is drawing power from the board. The game worked perfect before I put the colordmd on that's why I just put a wall wart on it. With all led in the game I should be drawing a lot less through the board.

Yeah, but did you check the power lead that the ColorDMD was going to use BEFORE the colorDMD was plugged into it? As those machines age, it's not uncommon for them to fade in the amount of actual power vs their rated power. And if that connector was right on the edge with just enough to drive the Optos, adding the ColorDMD to it would push it over the edge, making the optos not work. You should at least measure the power there, because if it's on the edge, the optos will fail in the future anyway as that eventually fails to deliver even the minimum power to drive them.

1 month later
#3539 3 years ago
Quoted from arcademojo:

Would be nice to click on this page and see some actual hints.

What's black and white and red all over?

1 month later
#3626 3 years ago
Quoted from TopMoose:

It's not really an issue. ColorDMD support for Metallica was released before Stern came out with the final game code. At this point, a revised Ghostbusters code would be tweaks to the rules, rather than new animations. And if there are new graphics, ColorDMD can always release an update.

Metallica code isn't final...is it?

If this really IS Ghostbusters, they will sell of metric ton of ColorDMDs.

#3645 3 years ago
Quoted from Taxman:

[quoted image]

Awesome! Let's see some sample video!

#3658 3 years ago
Quoted from J85M:

I’m looking at my first colourdmd purchase, what’s the main reason the lcd seems to popular? From the last couple of posts alone everyone is buying lcd over led.
Could a few of you guys with plenty of colourdmds chime in and give me an idea which way to go, I’m not really interested in the hi res where it merges the dots together, I like my dots to look like dots. thanks in advance.

LED brightness is too intense and doesn't have the smoothing and DOTS XL mode of the LCD. It's just less flexible. However, because it is smaller, it will fit in machines that can't take the LCD. But if there's room, I will always choose the LCD for ColorDMD with the current choices.

#3660 3 years ago
Quoted from camcamaro1991:

I have both LED and LCD. The LED was originally on my Harley and... still is, LED seems to fit the older style pins, I swapped my LED to my STLE just to test, found it too harsh, and you can see the individual colors fire to make the LED create color, but when all the on screen animations move its very noticeable and dont care for it, just seems out of place with all the colors of ST, the LCD with DOT XL is perfect IMO. Only issue the gap which is easily fixed with stick on foam. I have no issue with brightness on my LCD.

The gaskets I just released for angled Stern panel colorDMD installs is WAY better than weatherstrip, functionally and cosmetically. Cuts down SUBSTANTIALLY on dust behind the plastic and on the LCD surface, too.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/colordmd-gasket-for-angled-stern-speaker-panels

#3681 3 years ago
Quoted from J85M:

There any videos that show dots vs dots xl? As I’m really not a fan of the hi res mode everything just looks mushy!
Best word I could think of to describe how it looks to me.

The "hi-res" smoothing mode looks like crap, IMO. Dots XL is where it's at, but I don't know of any comparison videos.

#3684 3 years ago
Quoted from Cheddar:

Except on Judge Dredd. Made the dmd look like animated video

Haven't seen that one in the smudge mode. All the ones I've seen/tried it on look worse, so I always go with DOTSXL.

#3686 3 years ago
Quoted from Cheddar:

On LotR and BSD I think DOTSXL is the way to go. It definitely is on a machine by machine basis

LotR, especially, looks abhorrent with smudge mode.

#3710 3 years ago
Quoted from Midway-Man:

I just installed my first Color DMD ever in my Ghostbusters. Any suggestions on what the best brightness and contrast setting is.
It’s the LED version.

I don't think the LED display has a "just right". It's too intense or not bright enough in my experience. But if you find the ideal setting, please share yours so everyone can start there if they get an LED instead of LCD.

#3714 3 years ago
Quoted from Midway-Man:

Mine is currently set to. Brightness 5, Contrast 2. It does look nice. Well it’s set to single color white. We won’t see the update, today I guess...

I HOPE we see the rom today. My F5 key is wearing out.

1 week later
#3787 2 years ago
Quoted from Cheeks:

I have an LCD ColorDMD in AFM and it is not working. It was flickering a bit for about a week and now it's just out completely. I've tried re-seating the connectors to no avail. Anything else I can try?

Check the power at the connectors to see if you have enough voltage. They might have dropped low.

1 month later
#3847 2 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

As is always the case; someone was willing to work on it and signed up for it.

While you're here...what's the deal when text flashes to color and then off again on the system menu? There are quite a few screens on AC/DC in the settings where the color blinks on and off repeatedly.

#3856 2 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

The only game where it's possible both options is Metallica.

Spiderman? AC/DC Luci? Iron Man?

All three have old-style speaker panel versions and slanted speaker panel runs later.

#3859 2 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

Oh dip. I forgot about vaults.
TWD aint had no vault.

It's not valuable information.

The ONLY reason I know off the top of my head is I had to figure it out because I needed to know what machines might want/need a ColorDMD gasket for LCD installs.

1 week later
#3889 2 years ago
Quoted from jake35:

Dumb question but why are these so high in today's age? TVs are cheaper then ever before, 400 bucks for a tiny lcd seems pricey. I keep buying them of course (just picked up an LED for my Safe Cracker) but could get them for all of my pins if they weren't 400.

Labor intensive to color every frame and limited (relatively small) potential sales pool per machine. If they could sell even 5,000 or 10,000 of each one, the price per unit would probably be substantially lower. I'm reasonably certain that they have many titles where they don't break 1000, and probably some where 100 wasn't broken. The price keeps them moving forward in a relatively low-sales market niche.

#3892 2 years ago
Quoted from Scoot:

Can anyone explain as to why the lcd panels have to be larger in size? Also why can’t they be used in the larger Sega displays?
Not knocking the company, I have one on each of my pins and love them.

Assuming it's less expensive buying off-the-shelf rather than having custom LCD sizes created. With the number they sell, it makes no sense to spend more having custom sizes made for the LCDs (and may not be financially possible...)

1 month later
#3911 2 years ago

Keyword "roll"

So, any of the car games, Rolling Stones, or Wheel of Fortune. Maybe a casino game, too.

#3915 2 years ago
Quoted from MK6PIN:

Any logic that ties KISS to these hints makes sense to me....

Gene is getting pretty hefty these days, so he probably has a roll or two.

3 weeks later
#3936 2 years ago
Quoted from Midway-Man:

Thumbs up, next game incoming! Any guesses?
[quoted image]

I need a drink? Test tube? Like what they use for BLOOD tests? Gene Simmons drinks and spits lots of blood. At last - KISS!

2 weeks later
#3981 2 years ago
Quoted from MK6PIN:

Well...can't make KISS a valid contender for this clue.....congrats to whoever owns this title, and I'll wait patiently....

Or CAN you? Eric CARR was a great drummer for KISS. The Magna Carta was drafted to make peace with rebel barons. KISS are rebels with bare arms. I think you see where this is going, and it's looking good for KISS!

3 weeks later
#4010 2 years ago
Quoted from MK6PIN:

vireland, can you spin this into KISS somehow?

Heh. This one's too much of a stretch even for my KISS optimism. It ain't KISS.

#4016 2 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Just because you don't know how to play it, don't take it out on the game.

I wouldn't call it the worst pin of the DMD era (that's SF II, Rolling Stones, or maybe Freddy?), but it's definitely a BAD GAME and a TERRIBLE MOVIE.

#4019 2 years ago
Quoted from pinlawyer:

Targets that do NOTHING = worst pin.

Have you PLAYED Street Fighter II? I've never walked away from an Indiana Jones 4. I HAVE walked away from SF II, Freddy, and Rolling Stones on multiple occasions. It's just not in the same league of bad as the champs.

1 week later
#4033 2 years ago
Quoted from Agent_Hero:

Musicians...so Kiss.

Black and white could be a reference to KISS makeup. I think that picture is from Say Say Say, but McCartney also did Ebony and Ivory with Stevie Wonder.

Quoted from PoMC:

Wheel of Fortune
Say Say Say + Jack White = Say Jack, as in Pat Sajak

This seems the most likely, though.

#4051 2 years ago

Hasn't this already been established as Breakshot by the sign at the MGC show?

#4057 2 years ago
Quoted from MustangPaul:

Does Kiss have a lot of tv or movie footage?

Has a fair amount of concert footage.

1 week later
#4117 2 years ago
Quoted from KYLEDM5:

Figures. It can never be easy.

You can make a low-voltage cable that plugs into the existing power supply in the backbox that will drive the low voltage display very easily. If you don't want to make one, Stern sells the cable. I converted a Family Guy pretty recently to run the low-power red LED display instead. Pretty easy - two wires and two connectors.

3 weeks later
#4132 2 years ago
Quoted from J85M:

AP should look amazing in colour! Hugely underrated game once I have things sorted my end I would love to own another. Hell Stern just vault the damn thing!!

Given that it's on the lower end of resale value for a Stern (like 2k-ish) plus it needs a license renewal, I doubt they vault it.

That said, if the new Austin Powers really happens, maybe they'll reskin it...

#4134 2 years ago
Quoted from docquest:

When I was looking for one last year I would have loved to find one for 2k but they were much closer to 3k.
I dont think Stern could afford to vault this game it has so many mechs: spinning Austin Powers mech, mini me spinner mech, rotating time machine mech with magnet catch, fat bastard toilet, laser shooter with diverter magnet, rising dr evil bash toy. This game is packed with toys. With recent Stern's you get one or maybe two of those types of mechs in a game.

The bigger problem is they were using off-the shelf Austin Powers action figures on the PF and they're not available anymore at wholesale prices in quantity. The laser shooter was reused in Walking Dead, so it's still around. Other stuff is not that complicated or expensive (there's not row after row of drop targets like WPT). The main problem is the market doesn't care about that machine because it sucks. They'd never get $6k, let alone $7500 for new ones.

I sold a fully functional, good looking AP I rehabbed here on Pinside less than two years ago for $2k flat, and it was a slow mover. They're around at that price.

#4140 2 years ago
Quoted from hank527:

AP is not close to 2k. It's a 3k plus game.

Well, having SOLD ONE personally not that long ago right here on pinside (look it up) that did not move until it hit $2k, I would call that your opinion. And if I sold it at $2k, I got it for a lot less, so yeah, it's a $2k game.

Sure there are a lot of people trying to move it at $3k on pinside, but there's a lot of those with "not sold" and "decided to keep" unsuccessful sales at that price. Pinside recommends $2700, and that's even high.

1 month later
#4251 2 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

This is my last one for at least a while, probably. Devoting whatever time I have to working on code for Scott's next game these days.

Ruh-roh...?

5 months later
#4347 1 year ago
Quoted from MustangPaul:

Probably because no body with a Gotlieb is willing or able to program one.

Don't think I don't I see where you're headed with this line of reasoning...

gottlieb short bus (resized).jpg
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#4384 1 year ago

VERY clearly KISS...

color-dmd-hint (resized).jpg
#4387 1 year ago
Quoted from MK6PIN:

Made my day, lol!!

Breakkiss is the most important meal of the day...

2 weeks later
#4400 1 year ago

Definitely a Gene Simmons reference. Finally, KISS.

ColorDMD97. (resized).jpg
2 weeks later
#4432 1 year ago

Definitely KISS.

"Pony Express" = Hung like a horse
"United States Mail" = US Male

"In the Sack" would have been too obvious.

kiss-codpiece (resized).jpg

3 weeks later
#4465 1 year ago
Quoted from J85M:

So I finally joined the colourdmd club with a colourdmd in my STLE, very cool couldn’t imagine going back to 5 shades of red.

What about 50 shades of grey? Much more interesting proposition...

3 months later
#4519 1 year ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

I have a HRC. Maybe it’s time to get off the bench.

See, I knew Bill wasn't the only one with a side piece.

2 months later
#4637 1 year ago
Quoted from Coindork:

A couple of interesting observations I just made about my machine.
It seems to be a very early machine.
EPROMS are still version 1.0 and all all the marking like serial tag, stickers on speakers and manual are all marked Data East. No mention of SEGA whatsoever even on the manual. Many manuals I have seen say SEGA on them.
The build date is September 1 1994.
What month did SEGA buy Data East?
[quoted image][quoted image]

Pretty interesting. Your machine confirms that the original Data East production start was actually probably October 1994. IPDB changed that to Sept 25, 1994, but your Sept 1st build date pretty much confirms Data East started making Maverick sometime in October 1994 and the original IPDB info was actually right.

#4641 1 year ago
Quoted from Coindork:

So this is kind of interesting.
The boat “Lauren Bell” on this machine is hand painted and looks a lot like the one on the boat on the flyer.
The ones I’m finding in most pictures seem to be decals.
[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Might be one of the early test location machines.

#4663 1 year ago
Quoted from EightBallTexas:

Ahhh.....thanks guys...will order it now.
Have a great day.

If you want to see how that gasket game to be, the development thread from a couple years ago is here:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/colordmd-gasket-for-angled-stern-speaker-panels

#4665 1 year ago
Quoted from EightBallTexas:

Sup Pin....love your fans brother...Thanks for the link.

Thanks for the support!

1 month later
#4699 1 year ago

If salty balls are in the mix, definitely KISS.

#4713 1 year ago
Quoted from Bearcat:

Trying to download color code, is the colordmd site down?

Working fine for me.

#4732 1 year ago
Quoted from Bearcat:

There must be a reason it's being skipped over...

The concert footage makes it challenging. Everything else is run-of-the-mill stuff.

1 week later
#4754 1 year ago
Quoted from docquest:

I've colored 3 games for colorDMD and it's a lot of work. Even more work for the later Sterns which have a lot more animations and complex transitions between scenes than earlier games.
You arent doing it for the relatively small amount of money you recieve. You are doing it because you love the game enough to put in the many months (sometimes years) of work needed to get it done.
I think the only reason KISS hasn't been done yet is because someone who has access to and loves the game enough to put in the time hasn't committed to doing it. It's as simple as that.

I thought it was down to finding the exact concert footage they used in the video clips.

7 months later
#4855 4 months ago
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#4864 4 months ago
Quoted from Shapeshifter:

I was wondering if KISS is ever going to get done, and think this is gonna be Taxi.
Would love to be wrong!

Do you have a prototype DMD version of TAXI?

#4868 4 months ago
Quoted from Pickle:

Was hoping for a new hint or reveal today. Inquiring minds want to know…….

I had a motivational breakfast this morning and everything to help KISS be the one this time...

color-dmd-hint (resized).png

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