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Coleman camp fuel = Naptha?

By Mahoyvan

4 years ago


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    #1 4 years ago

    I’ve read that Coleman camp fuel is actually naptha, but is it really?

    I have this kickin in my garage, but it doesn’t list Any ingredients on the tin.

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    A quick Google states: “Coleman fuel is a mixture of cyclohexane, nonane, octane, heptane, and pentane.” Whatever hell those are, but none actually naptha..

    Is it suitable to clean/once-over on newer Sterns?

    #2 4 years ago
    Quoted from Mahoyvan:

    but is it really?

    Yes and no. Coleman fuel is mostly naphtha with a rust inhibitor in it.

    LTG : )

    #3 4 years ago
    Quoted from Mahoyvan:

    Is it suitable to clean/once-over on newer Sterns?

    I wouldn't.

    LTG : )

    #4 4 years ago
    Quoted from Mahoyvan:

    I’ve read that Coleman camp fuel is actually naptha, but is it really?
    I have this kickin in my garage, but it doesn’t list Any ingredients on the tin.
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    A quick Google states: “Coleman fuel is a mixture of cyclohexane, nonane, octane, heptane, and pentane.” Whatever hell those are, but none actually naptha..
    Is it suitable to clean/once-over on newer Sterns?

    That's naptha. Basically the hydrocarbon mix is what is considered naptha. Coleman just bottled it and called it "camp fuel".

    And I wouldn't. Maybe try rubbing Alcohol and light magic eraser. Then wax. Who knows what it could possibly do to soften Sterns clear coat.
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    #5 4 years ago
    Quoted from Mahoyvan:

    I’ve read that Coleman camp fuel is actually naptha, but is it really?
    I have this kickin in my garage, but it doesn’t list Any ingredients on the tin.
    [quoted image]
    A quick Google states: “Coleman fuel is a mixture of cyclohexane, nonane, octane, heptane, and pentane.” Whatever hell those are, but none actually naptha..
    Is it suitable to clean/once-over on newer Sterns?

    Go ahead. What could happen? Bubbling? Art separating under cc? Stern’s already way ahead of ya!

    #6 4 years ago

    Put a can of it in my 1977 Datsun B-210 and was able to make it to the gas station. Motor knocked. That was many years ago.

    #7 4 years ago
    Quoted from Mahoyvan:

    I’ve read that Coleman camp fuel is actually naptha, but is it really?
    I have this kickin in my garage, but it doesn’t list Any ingredients on the tin.
    [quoted image]
    A quick Google states: “Coleman fuel is a mixture of cyclohexane, nonane, octane, heptane, and pentane.” Whatever hell those are, but none actually naptha..
    Is it suitable to clean/once-over on newer Sterns?

    Naptha is a hydrocarbon mix, nonane octane heptane and pentane are the strings of hydrocarbon molecules based off of how many carbon atoms are in it. For example butane is c4, propane is c3, etc. Gasoline is mostly c5,c6 with naptha being heavier than that. So, that would be c6, c7, c8, c9. Mostly 7 and 8. I work at a refinery in a hcc unit, im making naptha right now!

    #8 4 years ago

    You can always check the MSDS of each particular product to see exactly what is in it. "Ingredient Names" on the MSDS are ambiguous at best, so it's best to look up the "CAS Number" instead. Each chemical component is given a unique identifying number that can be used to cross reference other MSDS sheets, or to look up what exactly what the number corresponds to in a database.

    I did some digging. Generally "VM&P" Naphtha from a hardware store or painting store is the "gold standard." It's what you'd want to use on your playfields. Looking up the MSDS for this particular product from Klean Strip shows the ingredient "Hydrotreated light naphtha" at a concentration of 95.0% to 100.0% (CAS Number: 64742-49-0).

    Looking at Coleman Camp Fuel (White Gas), the MSDS states the ingredient as "Light Hydrotreated Distillate" at a concentration of 100%. This is technically naphtha, but not the same kind, as it has the CAS Number: 68410-97-9

    Looking at Ronsonol Lighter Fluid, the MSDS States the main ingredient as "Aliphatic hydrocarbon,Hydrocarbons, C7-C9, n-alkanes, isoalkanes, cyclics" at a concentration of 100%, which is cryptic at best, HOWEVER, the CAS Number is 64742-49-0, which means that the product is chemically identical to Klean Strip's VM&P Naphtha.

    Interestingly, Zippo's lighter fluid is actually a mixture of 70% "Light Hydrotreated Distillate" (CAS Number: 68410-97-9) AND 30% "Hydrotreated Light Naphtha" (CAS Number is 64742-49-0), which means it's a 70/30 mix of Coleman Camp Fuel and VM&P Naphtha.

    Too lazy and didn't read all the nonsense above? In short, not all Naphthas are created equal. Kleen Strip VM&P Naphtha and Ronsonol Lighter Fluid are functionally and chemically identical in every way. So get whichever is available in your respective country/state. Coleman camp fuel, while technically naphtha, is not the same as the aforementioned products. It might be close enough to work, but it's chemically different. And Zippo lighter fluid is a mix of both coleman fuel and ronsonol fuel. Use at your own risk.

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    Links for further reading:

    https://chem.nlm.nih.gov/chemidplus/rn/64742-49-0
    https://chem.nlm.nih.gov/chemidplus/rn/68410-97-9
    http://ferris.msdssoftware.com/ImageDir/i011DA2E.pdf
    http://doryventures.scene7.com/is/content/DoryVentures/Ronson/Website/Servicing/2018MSDSRonsonol.pdf
    http://www.kleanstrip.com/uploads/documents/KS_VMP_Naphtha_MSDS.pdf
    https://www.vercounty.org/MSDS/EMA/Zippo%20Lighter%20Fluid-USA.pdf

    #9 4 years ago

    Coleman fuel has been my go-to solvent for woodworking a long time. Perfect for wiping down/de-greasing raw wood, between coats of spar varnish,
    clean/prep for paint. I use it to wipe down em play fields initially to remove dirt and wax, it leaves a dry surface.
    I wouldn't be the first to try it on a modern playfield, especially Stern.

    #10 4 years ago

    Thanks for the replies everyone. Much of it WELL above my head, but who doesn’t need a good ‘huh’ now and again!

    Im dealing with very light duty. A microfiber cloth would work well enough to get the light ball trails and dust off, but I’m thinking that dampening the cloth with something would be even better.

    Im guessing Novus 1 is what I’m looking for, but wanted to find something in the meantime as that will require an online order. I also live in tiny a 1 horse town.

    #11 4 years ago
    Quoted from Mahoyvan:

    Thanks for the replies everyone. Much of it WELL above my head, but who doesn’t need a good ‘huh’ now and again!
    Im dealing with very light duty. A microfiber cloth would work well enough to get the light ball trails and dust off, but I’m thinking that dampening the cloth with something would be even better.
    Im guessing Novus 1 is what I’m looking for, but wanted to find something in the meantime as that will require an online order. I also live in tiny a 1 horse town.</blockquote use novus 2 to clean your playfield. novus 1 is pretty useless by itself, glorified windex.

    #12 4 years ago

    Any version of Novus requires an order, which in my case means US/CDN conversion, shipping up the bHole and maybe duty, so I’m more so lookin for a common solution while i build up a hassle worthy order.

    Furthermore, I think anything with abrasive additives is over kill at this point, im really just lookin for a safe ‘something’ to give a light wipe down.

    Any other votes for iso prop? Any other suggestions all together that you could find in a standard hardware store?

    Thanks

    #13 4 years ago
    Quoted from Mahoyvan:

    Any version of Novus requires an order, which in my case means US/CDN conversion, shipping up the bHole and maybe duty, so I’m more so lookin for a common solution while i build up a hassle worthy order.
    Furthermore, I think anything with abrasive additives is over kill at this point, im really just lookin for a safe ‘something’ to give a light wipe down.
    Any other votes for iso prop? Any other suggestions all together that you could find in a standard hardware store?
    Thanks

    Nitro pinball in Vancouver sells Novus for reasonable prices maybe give them a call.

    #14 4 years ago
    Quoted from Mahoyvan:

    Any version of Novus requires an order, which in my case means US/CDN conversion, shipping up the bHole and maybe duty, so I’m more so lookin for a common solution while i build up a hassle worthy order.
    Furthermore, I think anything with abrasive additives is over kill at this point, im really just lookin for a safe ‘something’ to give a light wipe down.
    Any other votes for iso prop? Any other suggestions all together that you could find in a standard hardware store?
    Thanks

    If there is anything you need that you can’t get where you live let me know. I don’t mind getting it for you and shipping it to you.

    #15 4 years ago
    Quoted from Murphdom:

    If there is anything you need that you can’t get where you live let me know. I don’t mind getting it for you and shipping it to you.

    Thanks so much Murphdom, that's above and beyond!
    I do have a pretty good list of stuff building up so I'll need to bite the bullet sooner or later, but I do appreciate the offer!

    #16 4 years ago
    Quoted from Mahoyvan:

    Thanks so much Murphdom, that's above and beyond!
    I do have a pretty good list of stuff building up so I'll need to bite the bullet sooner or later, but I do appreciate the offer!

    No problem. The offer is always open. Just PM if you ever need anything.

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