Do you REALLY have this much free time on your hands?

To my understanding and not just limited to this area/hobby but others as well since I'm into flying rc heli's , rc cars etc... a great deal of duplicating occurs in China without consequences because China doesn't have a copyright law nor do they recognize any from foreign lands as well. It's just the nature of the beast.

It's the land of the clones....

However it really doesn't matter here all what does matter is how they handle their business to our hobby, and CT I found to be nothing short of professional in every aspect.

Give him break joe. Better than mople tears.

We really need another sh&tstorm thread? Starting a thread titled "Cointaker's lack of professionalism" is just bad form regardless of who the vendor is. I buy from CT for the same reason I buy from the local hardware store, not because they are the cheapest across the board, but because they DO care. They are part of our community and have been for a long time.

As a side, playing vendors off each other and pushing prices down to 0 margin may seem good, until the vendors start bailing out and you left with 1. Who then conveniently has 'supply' problems and the price start going double of what it was.

Either support vendor or buy from someone else. But don't toss gas on them and light a match just to get a rise.

If there leds are better they have nothing to worry about.

I can't believe I actually just read that whole thing. I feel like I just researched my grad school thesis, except instead of being about economic political platforms.... It was about led bulbs, and a dude who wears a Viking helmet.

I can't believe I actually just read that whole thing. I feel like I just researched my grad school thesis, except instead of being about economic political platforms.... It was about led bulbs, and a dude who wears a Viking helmet.

Now that's funny!!

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I have no comment on anything, escept we donate to Pinside

Lot of people on the rag lately. WOW!

Thanks for that insight. I can't seem to find your banner.

Im glad you dont post here much because this post is garbage! Change you post title, that is rediculous! Cointaker is the best vendor to deal with as far as their professionalism, service and quality, find something better to do!

I can tell you there's at least one difference....might be an older CT bulb, but for what it's worth...

Pinballbulbs domed ones don't work in Future Spa controlled inserts. They strobe like crazy, as does every other LED...EXCEPT...wait for it...

CT super (and PBL 1-leds, but that's not the point here..). So if they're the same bulb, copied....then why is there different behavior? One is able to cope with the 50hz lamp matrix, and the other isn't. Clearly there's at least SOME marginal difference. I wish I had a "current release" CT Super to try out in the game, just to see if they've changed something to where they no longer work in my game.

Someone needs to come out with some Old-Bally-Certified LEDs, that's for sure. I ain't buying a 150 buck Alltek driver board just for LEDs.

It's a LED order who cares if you know what I bought or didn't. Here I'll help you out. I bought a CFTBL kit from CT in Allentown. Oh my please keep that under wraps I would hate for the FBI pinball division to find out. Please let it go!

I'm still a bit confused by B_R's comment,

"I Have Stock in the CoinTaker Franchise ..."

Is he an investor/owner?

your missing the point man. noone's saying you're wrong, it's just that no one cares.

No he is not...He just a friend of theirs

I've had nothing but good experiences from Cointaker, and they have the best selection of LED's around.

B_R is loyal, that's for sure. I wouldn't want him to be my company spokesperson, however.

Kudos to the O.P. for being able to read his posts long enough to translate them to English, but yea... It's not that big a sin (friends talk), and Cointaker is a great company, and I bet Pinballbulbs is as well.

Can't we all just get along?

Have you eaten anything yet this morning? Ya know the brain functions better and becomes more productive when you give yourself some fuel as soon as you wake up. If you don't believe me, you can google it.

What's missed here in the "I don't care" crowd, which I am certainly a member of, is that now there is something to beef about. Look at that crap fest. I can't believe CT would be a part of that. Well, I HAVE to believe it because now there is the evidence. IMHO OP started a troll thread, and then pointed out some real unprofessional behavior. Still a troll thread. I buy LEDs from all over, but have spent real $$ with CT and PL. If I am in town, Terry at PL is the way to go, but I am only in town once a year max so CT gets most of the rest anyway. 10% Pinsider discount

Again, I say why? I like Pinside well enough, but these "declaratory" threads need to stop. They bring no "discussion" to a discussion forum, only arguments. If we want to argue/bitch/piss/moan that's fine, but it's really turning this "hobby" in to a headache instead of a fun diversion from everyday life...

+1.

OMG another bashing thread how lame. Esp. Cointaker i can say ive always had a pleasant experience with them.
If you dont like them dont buy from them, better yet put in the time and design your own leds and put up the money to have them manufactured.
Honestly so what if they confirmed someones orders? Just about everyone with leds has cointakers its no secret seems you have nothing better to do than split hairs.
And as far as the copied leds well Cointaker is justified in being upset how would you like it if you had your designs copied and marked as your competition??
In the end the new guy is guilty of theft. If anything perhaps Cointaker should call their attorney.

And here you are talking smack about Cointaker being upset about someone stealing their designs, everyone her already knows Markmon and BR are Cointaker addicts even if Cointaker said nothing.

Perhaps you should get over it and get a life.

Yeah I'm pretty surprised at the crap CoinTaker pulled there. They have lost me as a customer for life, and an entire FLEET of machines that would otherwise be getting their LEDs. James has been very calm and neutral on the issue. He didn't burst into a civil discussion thread guns a-blazin' throwing mud at CoinTaker's name. I wish I could support both companies, but what CT has done is inexcusable, especially with their failure to offer a good reason WHY the information was shared in the first place.

Clearly some people will care, others will not. Thanks for starting this thread, as stated by a mod there was clearly a need to move the discussion elsewhere. I suppose people are just ok with the whole situation as long as they get their flashy lights. Man, this hobby really makes grown men look like a load of brainwashed children.

Yeah, you're right Hellfire. Breaking laws by sharing information without having a publically available privacy policy probably shouldn't interest anyone here.

I don't think anyone here is miffed enough to take legal action against Cointaker, but it's a little bit of a disturbing development for sure, and they need to understand that they DO have an obligation to keep CUSTOMER information private, and yes, that's NOT okay to talk about it with people that are not employees. If they want to tell BR about their upcoming product line, fine, that's their perogative, but they have no right, and no allowance to share order or personal information with people outside of the company.

People are going to form opinions based on their personal experiences, a lot of people turn a blind eye to others when their own experience is good.

We have seen it with MAD-Amusements and we are seeing it with Cointaker. There is nothing wrong with your post, and if anything, it will provide historical reference for those that are looking for opinions for different companies.

It is up to the individual whether they decide to proceed with a company based on what they have read. I use MAD-Amusements a lot, and have always had an exceptional experience, I have bought Cointakers at shows before, but never online. Will I think twice about purchasing from CT based on this post (and the other one)...Absolutely.

Truth!!!!

I always thought BR WAS part of the company. His "I JUST GOT ___ IN THE GARAGE TIME TO BLING IT WITH COINTAKER YADDA YADDA YADDA BULBS,,," always read as complete CoinTaker advertisements to me.

CT supplies all our led needs, and yes we could go direct to a factory, but we partner and work together on new ideas and bulb types with them. Some coolness on the way! So we pay more but have the best people and engineers behind our products with a long track record.

Anyone would be miffed, mee too, if someone comes in late and grabs a proven design or pings the source to compete. But that's America and it make's the marketplace stronger. It takes time and money to do all this stuff and Chris and Mellisa have made a positive impact on pinball, and our games for sure. As have many "behind-the-scenes" suppliers. It's not just only about money, you need to have some ethics and integrity. What do you call a pinball company with no integrity? Jpop

Yeah, just a spokesperson. And a pretty arrogant one at that.

Thank you for sharing all that info, Everyone calm down meow. I like to attain as much knowledge as possible about any company that supply pinball goodies....Dont you?

Clearly the only winner in these topics is Pinball Life.

I don't want to bash anyone personally. They both have great products and different styles that I like. I think BR acted in poor taste. When I was in the Marine Corps we had a saying " good initiative. Bad judgement"

According to Melissa he's not. I take her word over his. I've at least met her in person a few times. Honestly, I doubt this flub will stop me from ordering specific purpose bulbs from them, but like I said...it really needs to be impressed upon them that this kind of information sharing isn't acceptable.

Fool me once.... shame on me. Give away personal information to outisders twice? I'm done. Permanently.

I'm glad AC/DC Premium already has LEDS (given half of them are cointakers I think LOL...) and I don't have to deal with this too much at this point. Yeesh. I think the whole thing is overblown short of letting Melissa and Chris know that we expected better than this.

THAT may be the most hilarious thing i've ever heard said by anyone ever, either in person or on the internet. pure pinside gold!

I'm sorry, did you just say 'meow?'

I found out that if you post anything negative about cointaker on pinside - you will be criticized and personally attacked. I posted something a while ago hoping to help other pinsiders avoid the mistake I made (ordering an F-14 Led kit from CT). The major theme to the responses was it was my fault for ordering a kit that they offered.

So you didn't read this post?

So YOU are saying the bulbs from Pinballbulbs were ripped off from Cointaker directly? Please elaborate.....

Read the thread BR posted the details Cointaker did not post the information BR did, He is not part of the Cointaker company, how he knew well thats a good question but for all everyone knows Markmon could have mentioned elsewhere.

Dont be so eager to drag a companys name through the mud, Im not partial to any company but all the clowns here seem to be more woried about talking smack about a good company instead of their good reputation as business.

And yes look at the new guys bulbs they are almost identical reproductions of CT leds oh wait they didnt glue in the cover thats innovation!!