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Code update from Stern's Facebook page

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10 years ago


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    #47 10 years ago

    Simple, hire more coders. Have Lyman and designer map out the planned rules, modes, light show, sound and wizards and let a mass of coders develop and test. It's called project management and supervision which seems like Stern is incompetent in its software area. They have individual talents but no means to leverage to multiple areas at once. They have no excuse for the price they charge. People need to talk with their wallets. I haven't bought a new pin in about 4 years due to my frustration with BDK (so close to being epic).

    #60 10 years ago
    Quoted from copperpot:

    bmunn, it's not that simple, unfortunately... While I agree with your analysis here:

    It's not fixed by:

    because of this:
    http://www.amazon.com/The-Inmates-Are-Running-Asylum/dp/0672326140
    Stern should be looking for an excellent Product Manager who can lead software teams. The problem with that is, all the GOOD PMs out there are making much more than what Stern could offer them.
    -Wes

    I think we are saying the same thing.

    #61 10 years ago
    Quoted from Zaxxis:

    And if we get 9 women, we can have a baby in a month!

    You must work for stern. My 25 years of software development coding and project management of large highly complex systems ranging Cad/cam, production line monitoring and PDM thinks your out of your depth.

    #72 10 years ago
    Quoted from PappyBoyington:

    I think you and the others bragging about your experience have missed the point.

    What point would that be?

    #73 10 years ago
    Quoted from Aurich:

    I'm going slightly out on a limb here, but I expect it, and soon. So I guess we'll see.
    And obviously Stern needed more coders, they were just hiring in that position. But this idea that any one game's code can be solved by throwing bodies at it is ridiculous. We can all trot out our "I've been in the industry X years" game, plenty of IT and tech people here, so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on it.
    There's a reason that 9 women 1 month baby thing is a trope though.

    So your saying that having a pre planned set of rules say created by Lyman can't be implemented quicker with more people that he manages? 2 people working on may not decrease the amount of time it takes to implement but may increase by 50% the amount of rules implemented. Isn't that the point? Completeness on-time?

    It seems you guys miss the point it's more about being 100% complete at initial release with bug fixes after. Not sure why your fixated on time I'm not.

    #81 10 years ago
    Quoted from Aurich:

    Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't think you really understand how making pinball rules works. Lyman doesn't sit down for a week, write out all the games rules, and then struggle for 6 months to actually code them, wishing he had a couple of people do it for him.

    Why don't you explain it versus having a non answer with a smiley face.

    #82 10 years ago
    Quoted from Max_Badazz:

    Ding Ding we have a winner. This seems to be the mindset of business managers that think they can run a software team....lets bring more people (usually temp contractors) and we can get done in no time. However who is going to train these people, who's going to look after them, assign work, manage their code/checkins, etc. My current company threw more bodies at our current application and its taking longer than the original group estimated.

    I have the mindset of a customer that expects a complete product at delivery. At least use logic. Maybe you weren't a good estimator in the first place which would explain a lot of your answers. Like I said and others have said poor project management - poor estimation, poor resource allocation, poor personnel development, lack of resources all lead to poor product implementation and lack of completeness. How would you solve this problem?

    #86 10 years ago

    Wow, what a non answer... You sure your in IT? Or just used to giving excuses.... Or how you would not do it.... That's a leader! That's a problem solver!

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    #117 10 years ago
    Quoted from Max_Badazz:

    LOL......are you sure you know anything? Have you ever once thought that maybe....just maybe......the delay is due to the business making requirment changes? Its not always poor this and that with the team. I'm sorry that my CE masters degree doesn't meet your needs. Again...throwing bodies at code does not solve the issue...either at Stern or anywhere in the software field.
    Lets dumb this down a bit..... I want to dig a hole in my backyard....lets say 4'x4' and I hire four workers to do it. They work standard days with some OT (after all they are salaried and get Jack Schitt for overtime). Now I want the hole dug faster, so I hire four more people. However they don't fit in the hole, so they sit around not knowing what to do. Now a couple of those original four need to show them what to do and ramp them up.....they are super weak and need a month to get up to speed working out......now I have only two people working while the other two train them. Now after a month, eight people are in that same hole digging, getting in each others way (like developers checking out the same code and tripping over updates)...hmmmmmm did you ever think of that? Now lets make this more like the real world.....I want the hole a circle......but its already a 4x4 square....and I want the diameter 2 ft......now they need to fill much of it in and basically restart. Now its raining and the dirt is backfilling.....now I want the hole lined with bricks.....now I want a wall and could care less about the hole and I'm not going to give clear requirments, making the workers make the best educated guess, but I'll continue to change what they did.
    This is what happens...its not cut and dry...bread and butter....0's and 1's......so simply saying throw more bodies is quite frankly....a bad answer
    Is that enough for you bmunn1...or are you going to continue trolling with your witty responses?

    Finally got back to looking at this thread it's amazing as a customer and professional what a low standard you have for a technical product you spend nearly as much as a car on. You feel the need to justify lack of delivery on sterns part and how it should just be accepted. I wonder if your customers or stock holders would be so understanding of a similar lack of delivery on your part. But by all means continue to defend them with you credibility or lack there of. It's not like companies don't look at the Internet before hiring.

    It be like selling someone a car and telling they only have first gear but will get to the other gears later when I don't know but sometime maybe if we sell enough and then only if we aren't distracted by selling you another piece of swamp land. Again it's only sustained because idiots keep forking money for something not complete. There is no law that says your not allowed to be stupid... Or defend a stupid practice even if it makes you look stupid.

    #128 10 years ago
    Quoted from Max_Badazz:

    Did you read what you typed before hitting send? I can say I am taking the high road on this.

    I'm retired and I don't see anything wrong with what I said. I am a person with high standards and expect that at all times. If your taking the high road now that would be new to this thread.

    #129 10 years ago
    Quoted from robin:

    No need for insults, bmunn1. You made your point perfectly clear without needing those.

    The comment was a general one to all the folks that want to defend a dumb practice. But I can see it should have been a separate post and not directly with one persons quote.

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