Bite the bullet and do it right.

LTG : )

Lloyd is right. Dremels have too small of an attachment to clean large areas well, spin too fast (could burn right through a clear coat) and I could see the attachment getting stuck to something and causing damage to the game and possibly yourself.

I thought I did.

I'm sorry if I wasn't clearer.

This is a situation where trying to save time may end up costing more time or potentially harm your game.

Not fun, but there are times you just have to put the time and effort in and do the job right.

LTG : )

should not need to clean and wax really- but it can be useful polish metal surfaces to large to fit in a tumbler or catching egdes on a large buffer. then dremles can be quiet useful, some have var speed too.

oh for atachments i like cones for tight work

Lloyd is always right. Can't wait for the road trip up there next month! I have to meet this pinball god!

You signed up mere days ago, if you stick around you will realize that LTG is perhaps the most knowledgable person on here, and is a really nice guy that was most likely not trying to be rude but give you his honest advice. Sometimes the answer you get is not the answer you hope for.

I do not know you either but tear it down the long way and do it right. There is only one right way all else is looking for an easy way out. IMHO.

Agreed.

If you are on a forum looking for sound advice, don't get upset if the advice isn't what you wanted to hear. And picking a fight with one of the most helpful guys on this site is certainly not the best way to get future inquiries addressed.

Who is Lloyd? A Pinside member who is so knowledgeable that he has his own section here dedicated to helping all of us: http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/dearlloyd . You are yelling at one of the top experts in the world on the subject of pinball maintenance and repair.

I'm sorry you did not like his absolutely correct answer. Messing with Lloyd will not make you any friends here. You're new. I hope you do an about face...apologize...and enjoy the rest of your time here on Pinside. Otherwise, it's going to be a rough road ahead for you.

^^ Agreed 100%. There was nothing wrong with Lloyd's advice and neither was it a "smart ass" comment or a lecture. This is though: grow up.

Striping a machine is never going to be much fun, but if it's an area you think you could have reached with a Dremel, then I'm guessing it could be possible to get in there with a cloth and some fine cutting paste. It's tough work doing it this way, and you must make sure you get rid of all the residue, but you can get some good results, and it would save you going the whole hog. You should spray on some cleaning fluid first like Novus, then the cut, then more Novus, then simply wax it after.

Failing that, as has been said (although maybe got taken the wrong way accidentally), you would have to remove the bits to get to it properly. If you don't want an entire strip, then you could at least remove enough to make it easier for you to get to the localised spots you want to work on.

I don't know LLoyd, but it's my experience that most people on here are pretty helpful towards each other, but sometimes comments don't seem to be what you expect or seem to be a little short or blasé. People who love there pins sometimes forget that not everyone wants to wade in and strip a machine right off the bat, where as others wouldn't dream of anything but a complete strip the moment it comes through the door. Generally it's just one persons manor not fitting in with someone else's. But usually it's just it aimed in the right direction.

Good luck there chap and welcome to Pinside.

And this guy immediately secures his status as a complete douche.

LTG is by far the most helpful person here. Also, remind me to add " have you ever tried to clean your playfield with a Dremel" to my list of questions when buying a game.

I use a power sander for all delicate PF work....

Anyways....

Lloyd had correctly diagnosed 2 issues I recently had with a pin that was behaving erratically.... Over the Internet- with limited details! Saved me countess stress....I'd take his advice.

And, when you come here and ask for help- I'm a bit surprised at your response?

dude thats crazy.... thats what ice picks and screwdrivers are for.

I used my sandblaster to strip the wax off my playfield. Took it all down to nice bare wood! Now I just need to touch it up with a dirty sock dipped in finger paint.

Talk about bitching about the wrong person, grow up.

I actually agree that it's annoying when you ask a question and someone responds by telling you to ditch your idea completely and take a different approach that you already knew about and were trying to avoid. But even so, your Amy's Baking Company-esque meltdown response is ridiculous.

Anyway, to actually answer your question, I have never heard of a person using a dremel attachment to clean any part of a playfield, but some people like to use a rag attached to the end of a stick to get around orbits without taking off ramps. Some use one of those little grabber tools with a rag gripped in its jaws, like this: http://www.amazon.com/General-Tools-70399-UltraTech-Mechanical/dp/B002RHP7TS/ref=sr_1_11

Some use another variation on the rag on a stick idea, "Pimp Stix," available here: http://www.amazon.com/Pimp-Stixxx-Component-Detailing-Motorcycles/dp/B000FVC6K6/ref=sr_1_cc_1

All I can say is wow. Hope they don't put out a FS thread....that is where you can really get it on here

LOL.. no good deed goes unpunished. I love the interweb.

I have used an old plunger rod, with the pull knob off, and with the rubber tip on, as a great tool to reach way up under ramps, and in very tight places.

Not helping. You need to start over. Perhaps spend some time reviewing the 55000+ helpful and gracious, gentlemanly posts over at RGP for a start.

Whether you are new and whether LTG is established is neither here nor there. You received an answer you didn't particularly like AND STARTED SHOUTING about SOMEBODY LECTURING YOU.

Which he didn't.

Is that the advice you give in your career and interview coaching sessions? If you get a response you don't like then SHOUT AT THEM.

Wow. Lloyd is always causing trouble on Pinside. What a smart ass you "pinball God".

OP, you should get to know the community that your are asking help from. Really bad way to start here. And wouldn't a "career coach" take a different approach in this "situation"?

If you think Lloyd was rude, you evidently haven't read any other posts on Pinside, let alone RPG.

I hate to burst your bubble but society is not equal and just. Far from it.

Back down from receiving advice you didn't care for, even though it is sound advice and the absolute best and most concise answer to the question you asked, because you didn't care for the tone of 7 typed words? Really...

Well at least I got my morning laugh today.

Lloyd you condescending bastage!

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Fwiw, he was right though. If you just dusting, a rag and a piece of string is fine, but for a real buff/clean,, you got's to bite the bullet and tear down.

Lloyd's response was not rude, just to the point. Hard to read tone in text, but your reaction was overblown based on that fact.

Wow. He wasn't condescending, or rude. If your expectation is to be coddled like a prissy princess, it's best not to leave the castle.

Shortage of time is well understood by us all. It can be a very time consuming hobby. If you don't have the time to fully strip, no problem.

But using a dremel can be a risky attempt. Not saying it wouldn't work if you're careful, but it could go really bad very quickly as well.

No one has bullied you. Look at some other threads on this site if you want to see harsh comments.

Maybe you need some "un-sensitivity" training...

I read something on the Novus label before... its a carcinogen or something when used with a buffing wheel...

I actually tried dremel plus some polishing compound...on a demo old Paragon we have... it burnt through the paint quicker than i would have thought...

I was a bit surprised there was no bragging about how much money ritewhereiwant2b makes during the "WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE LECTURING ME" part or the "With all due respect, I won't back down..." part.

No worries, my man. Just get on the good foot.

Oh please, grow a sack and stop acting like a hurt baby. Someone on the internet, who just happens to be one of the nicest people in the community, gave you an answer you didn't like and you went apeshit.

Well I'm glad you found your part. Here's what will happen with a dremel though. That little felt wheel is going to fling product, (Novus or wax or whatever), all over everything else back there, thus making even more work for yourself. Pinball cleaning and maintenance takes a lot of time and effort. That's just the way it is

Sorry you feel bullied, but Lloyd answers HUNDREDs of questions regarding pinball. His reply style is short, sweet, and to the point if possible, and never with any ill intent.

more accurately TENS OF THOUSANDS

And you were pushed back for not having respect for LTG or anyone else here. If something as trivial as LTG's response set you off you gotta suck as a career/ interview coach.

I meant today...LOL!

You are correct on this. According to the MSDS:

This product may contain crystalline silica, which is known to cause
cancer by inhalation. If this product is used with mechanical polishing, dusts may be created that can be a chronic inhalation hazard. See Section 7
for measures to prevent exposure

For mechanical polishing, wear dust mask

But, as a father of two and a baseball coach, I'm sure he knows. He didn't mention Novus, but I think we are all hoping he is using that instead of kerosene.

yep, a lot of respect that you showed there
as you stated yourself, it was late and you overreacted to lloyd's response, and yet you haven't apologised. you're definitely a "glass is half full" type person. where can I sign up for life coaching from you?

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I'm still feeling irritated by all this. Frankly, the notion of LTG being described as condescending, rude, and a smart-ass is so preposterous it has me wondering if this thread is merely an effort at trolling.

I was thinking that too, but who the hell uses "I'm a baseball coach"? At least come up with something with some weight to it. I'm retired and not on my boat, I'm Chris Hadfield, ima little teapot etc.

I'm sorry.

I was only trying to help.

LTG : )

Haven't you helped enough already Mr. Smarty Pants!

Most unnecessary apology ever.