I haven't seen this covered before. Is there a way to clean a transformer without damaging the insulation of the copper windings? At first I thought acetone, but I think it will break down the insulation.
I haven't seen this covered before. Is there a way to clean a transformer without damaging the insulation of the copper windings? At first I thought acetone, but I think it will break down the insulation.
Windings are magnet wire, and typically they're lacqured or varnished. Acetone will absolutely remove either of those and then you've killed the winding.
What are you trying to achieve?
Quoted from Majdi:Windings are magnet wire, and typically they're lacqured or varnished. Acetone will absolutely remove either of those and then you've killed the winding.
What are you trying to achieve?
I restore early solid state games, usually to CQ quality. Obviously I can't buy a new transformer but want to make them look new. They are hard to find as it is and don't want to ruin any.
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HAHA! But I don't think it will work on this...
personally, I wouldn't screw with it to much. You run the risk of really screwing things up. You could spray it off with water and leave it dry for days on end.
The well aged, glued, waxed, and thoroughly baked kraft paper around that thing is not going to take a wire brush.
Worse, wire brushing even the laminated iron core is going to get filings down around the windings, and then we'll find out (the hard way) if there's any gaps in the insulation. I wouldn't risk spraying water on it for the same reasons, even if you think it's dry afterwards. That is also going to rust the core.
I strongly advise doing no more than wiping it off very gently with a slightly damp (dry damp really) rag.
Let me clarify what I mean:
I would take a wire brush to the OUTSIDE, STEEL laminations ONLY
Then I would use a toothbrush and warm soapy water to clean the paper and windings
Then I would leave it to dry for a day or so in the sun
Then I would give it a coat of clear lacquer.
Alcohol of any kind is out.
It's very likely the varnish on the windings is lacquer, shellac, or classic enamel. Shellac is traditionally made by grinding up the secretions of lac insects, and...putting it into solution with alcohol. If you need to thin it, you use more alcohol. And as it dries, the alcohol evaporates and the finish hardens up
Lacquer may be made with shellac, or it can be entirely synthetic...but even the synthetic lacquers can be at least clouded or thinned, if not outright stripped with alcohol.
Even classic enamel (oleoresinous enamel) insulation on magnet wire is based around the use of some kind of solvent -- either alcohol or petroleum distillate. You won't know which until you use the wrong one on the transformer.
This is why I recommend you leave it alone -- older transformers are not solvent safe, period. Even many new ones will not be (although some of the new film type magnet wire insulation is pretty tough.)
Anyway, said my piece on this one...the choice is yours. But now you understand my reasoning.
Wipe the outside metal plates down with a damp cloth to remove accumulated grime, scuff sand with 180 or 220 grit and paint with flat black. I scrub the harnesses with a toothbrush turning the transformer on its side and work with the harness facing down so moisture doesn't get to the windings. New card stock can be laminated to the funky brown paper If need be but I usually leave it alone.
Quoted from Skins:Wipe the outside metal plates down with a damp cloth to remove accumulated grime, scuff sand with 180 or 220 grit and paint with flat black. I scrub the harnesses with a toothbrush turning the transformer on its side and work with the harness facing down so moisture doesn't get to the windings. New card stock can be laminated to the funky brown paper If need be but I usually leave it alone.
That's typically what I do. I always try to start with a decent example to start with. But I will mostly stay with Majdi's advice and do as little as possible. At the most, maybe hit with some compressed air to blow the crap off the top of the windings.
I take a dry paint brush and air compressor to it and knock off most of the crap that's on it. Then I go over the metal laminations with a brass bristled "detail" wire brush after first writing down the white stenciled Bally part numbers that are stenciled on it (E-xxx-xx). Then I spray paint the laminations with semi-flat Krylon spray paint and write the original Bally stenciled part number on the kraftboard with a Sharpie marker.
I never, ever get the transformer wet. You're just asking for trouble if you do get it wet in my opinion.
Quoted from KenLayton:I take a dry paint brush and air compressor to it and knock off most of the crap that's on it. Then I go over the metal laminations with a brass bristled "detail" wire brush after first writing down the white stenciled Bally part numbers that are stenciled on it (E-xxx-xx). Then I spray paint the laminations with semi-flat Krylon spray paint and write the original Bally stenciled part number on the kraftboard with a Sharpie marker.
I never, ever get the transformer wet. You're just asking for trouble if you do get it wet in my opinion.
Have you ever tried to re-stencil the numbers back?
Quoted from Lovef2k:Have you ever tried to re-stencil the numbers back?
No, but I carefully hand draw the numbers back with a white Sharpie paint marker (get them at Hobby Lobby).
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