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Classic Playfield Reproductions Bad Quality??

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5 years ago


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“Typical CPR Quality?”

  • Yes 9 votes
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  • No 18 votes
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  • I buy from Mirco because the quality is better. 17 votes
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#1 5 years ago

Hi all,

I recently bought a CPR Gold Playfield and was not very happy with the quality of the Playfield. I tried writing to them multiple times but they won’t respond to my emails. This was surprising to me because they have said repeatedly on this forum that they stand behind the quality of their products. I would have bought a lower quality playfield than gold and have it shipped directly to kruzeman if I knew I’d have to re-clear a new playfield.

Since this was my first purchase (and likely last since they don’t respond to customers) - I just wanted to hear from the community if this is typical for CPR Gold quality.

Every insert on this Playfield looks like the below - normal for Gold?

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#17 5 years ago

Pretty interesting that I can’t get ANY response from CPR in WEEKS but get one in HOURS after posting here.

Make all of the excuses you want for the quality of the playfield - but there isn’t any excuse for ignoring paying customers.

I provided my name and contact info on my emails you failed to respond to - please use them.

#18 5 years ago
Quoted from Colsond3:

That certainly doesn’t look great, could be a combination of uneven application and inadequate sanding.
I’ve always known their quality to be pretty good, as well as their customer service. How long ago did you reach out to them and how many times?

I emailed them at least twice at least 4 weeks ago with no responses.

#36 5 years ago
Quoted from KevinCPR: If you can tell I am a little frustrated, you are correct.

If you can tell I am a little frustrated about my emails being ignored until posting here - you are correct.

Quoted from KevinCPR:

Just as much as this first-time customer's feelings after obviously a mismatch to his expectations before buying. So I[m going to bring some facts and perspective to the thread. Let's really talk details here...
I know this playfield, because I graded it. We sell only about 1 TOTAN a week, as things have slowed down on that title after all these years. It is GORGEOUS and very much a virtually flawless playfield. What we're being presented here in these pictures is the typical angled-hard-glare-lights technique to accentuate the near-invisible, literally ink-layer-thick relief in the clearcoat surface. I could do the same thing to every playfield we have ever made in the last 14 years, and every playfield ever made, period. But why would I ? It's something that ALL playfields have, and will always have. I'll refer everyone to vid1900's various comments and threads on this topic all over Pinside. These pix cannot be introduced in this thread as something new, odd, shocking, "dog shit", or poor quality. The playfield is fantastic overall, and I stand by it. Yes, a gold grade is a judgment on overall perfection of the artwork, and how flawless it is. I went over every square inch of this print, and it is indeed flawless. Even the halftones had zero blotchiness or hard-shifts anywhere. Perfect ink gain.

You can continue to try to spin this as my issue when you completely failed to respond to my requests via email to resolve my concerns about my CPR purchase privately -- AS I TRIED TO DO BEFORE POSTING HERE. I emailed your contact address, your purchase address, and used your online web form to reach out previously. Everyone has technical issues at times, but I have to wonder how all of your contact methods failed to work. The purchase email worked when I placed my order.

Whether I am a "first time customer" or have purchased 1, 10, or 1000 playfields is irrelevant - I did try to contact you several times when I was not happy with the quality of the playfield with NO RESPONSE until I posted here believing I had no other way to contact you. I appreciate that CPR is in business to help the Pinball community with previously unavailable parts and although this is my first purchase - it is not the first CPR playfield I have seen in person.

When a customer communicates that the quality is not acceptable - as a business owner I would at least contact them to try and resolve the issue. Claiming the playfield is "GORGEOUS" and "very much a "virtually flawless playfield" when you admittedly cannot remember who I am or receiving any communications from me about it should make anyone reading this dubious. Saying "Even the halftones had zero blotchiness or hard-shifts anywhere. Perfect ink gain." when you don't know who I am or anything about the playfield in question is ludicrous. This is typical "smoke and mirrors" and "shift the issue and point fingers" from one of poor customer service to one of a "bad customer" when nothing could be further from the truth. I simply wanted for you to respond and resolve this.

Kindly Look at the registration of the "Ali Baba" and "Flying Horse" inserts. I'm NOT just complaining about the clear although regardless of what others think it is not - in my opinion - of professional quality nor is the registration good.

Quoted from KevinCPR:

To the point that if CPR is going to be called out, I have to now demand galleries posted of 1-inch inserts as dinner-plate sized pix, of ALL current playfields being sold today. Stern. Jersey Jack. Chicago Gaming. Mirco. All of them."

Since I don't have "all of them" I got up this morning and took a few, pictures of my "production quality" Stern Batman 66 playfield for comparison BELOW:

I also took a few closeup pictures of a playfield that I clearcoated myself in my driveway. Admittedly, I am not "a 20 year veteran who did high end cars for over 15 years in a perfect wetwalled downdraft booth facility" - this was my first attempt to clearcoat a playfield in my driveway spraying with a harbor freight purple gun.

T2 -- first attempt at clearing a playfield is BELOW:

Quoted from KevinCPR:

Only on Tuesday did the newly programmed Contact page on our new site finally get synced to a POP client, which popped out 2 weeks (about 400+ emails) when it opened. We're still getting caught up, I will openly admit. Should be done soon. Remember, direct 1-on-1 communication is admittedly our weakest point. It's one of the things we're working on, and an internal action item from about 6 months ago. Still a lot of work to do. Consolidating everything to one Contact page on the site was just a very recent move that is going to help a lot. One-stop single-box communication. We just need to get through the initial flood, and back to a daily stasis.
If there is something specific I'm not seeing, that is a blemish on this TOTAN... please write into the Contact again. Ask that the details be forwarded to Kevin (they usually are anyway, if there is a quality dispute) and I can get into a PM exchange with pix and such. Since few things get escalated to me, I can easily take it from there.

I'll stop posting here and reach out again to try to work with you priviately via your website and hopefully you will respond so we can get this resolved. That said, I appreciate you may have had technical issues but would have expected that at a minimum you would have reached out to me via PM here if you were truly interested in resolving this privately.

Thank you.

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#40 5 years ago
Quoted from Buzz:

Your second pictures are not lit the same as your complaint photos. Lighting is everything when making a case. I don't know why nobody talks on the phone these days. I bet a simple call could have resolved this earlier. You have the right to not be happy if that is your opinion and choice. I hope you send it back and get your money. Then you should retouch your old playfield and clear it yourself. It seems like you have the skills needed and would possibly be a lot happier. I hope both parties can resolve this and be happy. PS why not just PM your number to Kevin and ask for a phone call?

I travel for work and I'm on a plane a lot - and when I'm not traveling I'm often in meetings making it tough to catch me on the phone directly. (I do have voice mail though and return calls.)

The difference in the pictures is that the playfields I took pictures of are installed in games - so the lighting is admittedly not the same. I opened the window blinds and tried to get as much light on them as I could but agree they are not as well lit. In any case both T2 and Batman clear definitely looks much better than the clear on the CPR playfield.

I PM'd Kevin with my contact info and look forward to hearing from him.

#46 5 years ago
Quoted from Dayhuff:

Pick up the phone and call them..........sheesh.
John

Did you look for their phone number on their website? It's not on the main page or on the "contact us" page. What's the number??

I didn't use a phone number to order it - just email and that went through fine.

#56 5 years ago
Quoted from Colsond3:

Well OP didn’t stop either. “I’ll stop posting here and reach out privately”...after I post another graphic novel post and cause a Pinside shitshow dragging your company through the dirt. How long did you wait before posting again? Two minutes?
What I’ve learned:
CPR should be responding better to emails and their customers.
OP should pick up a phone himself if he sits around airports nonstop for work. If you fly a lot, you are sitting around airports a lot. Plenty of free time to make a call. They even have charging jacks every 2 feet in case your phone is low on juice.
I feel like I’m reliving the Nifty friggin LED thread all over again. #wewillneverforget

Geeze Colsond3, lighten up!

Hope your not serious - there are no phone numbers listed on their old or the new websites. It's getting pretty old that people keep blaming me for not calling CPR when the phone number is not published. It's not like I realized their number was printed on the TO field of the address label or I would have used it already. This has been ongoing since July. How long am I supposed to wait????

You don't seem to realize that I didn't receive responses when I tried to contact them using the same method they provide on the website where I purchased the playfield - it's their business model - not mine. My emails included my telephone number so it wasn't for lack of trying on my part. Sheesh!!

Now that I have a telephone number I will definitely call them and will hopefully connect with someone.

I also PM'd my contact information to Kevin - so he definitely has it and can look the order up.

For future reference the CPR telephone number is ###-###-#### for anyone else who may need it. (Edited in case this is a personal number)

If you admit your not good at answering emails - then provide your contact telephone number on the website!

#59 5 years ago
Quoted from cougtv:

Wow! I poster where to find it (every product sold) but hid it in the picture to keep them from getting spammed to hell. You respond by posting a clickable link so that every google ad salesman and others can easily bomb it. I really hope you consider editing your post or post your number next to it so you can share the pain. I would fire you as a customer at this point if I were Kevin!

You posted a picture of the label showing their telephone number before I did. It's clearly visible - look at YOUR post - maybe you should be fired too?

#63 5 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Please remove that number.

Already done.

CougTV may want to remove the image of his label also as it shows their telephone number also.

#74 5 years ago
Quoted from timab2000:

Why remove it if it's not on their website, I say leave it.

To be fair Kevin posted earlier today saying "We're still guys in basements and garages here. Most with fulltime jobs."

I didn't realize that before he said it today.

It's possible the number they use may be someone's personal telephone number and not a dedicated business number. Posting wasn't intended to be malicious - I just didn't think it through.

For the record - I don't hate CPR - they offer a great service to the pinball community and have been doing so even during a time when no one else did.

I just want to get this resolved.

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