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Class Action Lawsuit for TBL? The Big Lebowski / Dutch Pinball

By Davidus56

7 years ago


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Post #70 Link to Dutch Authority for Consumers and Markets Posted by Damon (7 years ago)

Post #105 Key posted, but no summary given Posted by RTR (7 years ago)


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#90 7 years ago

Would a class action lawsuit help anyone? Aside from the lawyers involved it seems very unlikely. Research how it worked out in other cases and you'll discover all parties end up loosing. Only the lawyers make money, so what's the point in going that route? As mentioned by others: chances are you'll fuck it up for everyone involved, pay a lawyer more than your refund will ever be and not get a refund after all. So basically you end up throwing away more money, fuck things up and end up with nothing. What's the point? I don't see any, unless you want to fuck it up for all others involved. Making things more complicated won't benefit anyone. Anyone's best shot at eventually getting their game is to lay low and be patient. Any other option will cost more and seems unlikely to solve anything for anyone.

#91 7 years ago
Quoted from RTR:

I PM'd DerRoland and asked about Mr. Joosten. I will report back.
Next, I think it might be a good idea to contact ARA. Anyone here speak Dutch?
Lastly, it might not be a bad idea if these things fail, to pony up a few bucks between us all and have a Dutch attorney write a letter for us to both parties.

Haven't seen the other thread yet and as I'm traveling I doubt I'll see it today as I'm about to leave. If I can help I will. Please note my post above was posted before I saw my name was mentioned in this topic.

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#184 7 years ago

Since my name has been mentioned several times to mediate I called ARA this morning to see whether they would be open to that. After I had to call again after being disconnected the first time I was told that The person I would need to talk to is not in his office this week and was asked to call again next week...

As far as taking any legal action against DP goes: earlier I expressed to hold that off as it most likely will ruin the chances of getting a game, especially for those whose game still has to be build. Undertaking legal action will cost more than you'll gain (so why spend money if you know you won't get it back) while waiting is free and you may still get a game. Plus that if DP needs to pay a lawyer to defend themselves that money will be coming from the TBL fund, so not helping either. Also keep in mind that DP can't just wave a magic wand and poof there are all the TBLs. So I don't see any logical reason to sue DP and undermine the whole project.

To put thing in a different perspective: As far as I know ARA has now breached their contract with DP 3 times and appears to be treating DP like a bully handles a kid for his lunchmoney. Now the kid is standing up for himself. To stay in that analogy: what makes more sense? Sue the kid, or the bully?

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#254 7 years ago

There is some news: apparently ARA just fired their MD, Rene Versteeg, who I was supposed to call next week... I don't have any insights yet on the reasoning, but there may direct link on how ARA handled the DP account / TBL production process. Could also be something else... If this MD was responsible for the current TBL mess, things may move into a positive direction now...

#258 7 years ago
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It is good to get some news. MD = Managing Director? Thanks Jonathan.

MD = Managing Director

#295 7 years ago
Quoted from chadderack:

Just seems weird that DP would have to cook up this BoP 3 project then. Lying about some "board issue" to protect ARA so the project doesn't go belly-up seems a little strange as well.
Then again, you could look at this as... why did the DM get fired? We still don't know that. Maybe he got fired for agreeing to talk to Jonathan about the project. Let's hope it's not that, and it's along the lines of what people are saying.

I do have that effect on people But sorry, nobody agreed to anything. I was told he was out of his office this week and asked to call back next week. But how about we test your theory? Where do you work?

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#300 7 years ago
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Might not have hurt that Jonathan runs a magazine that circulates in the NL so Rene was gonna essentially gonna have to talk to a reporter. Ok, a pinball reporter, but still.

Most of my magazines are sold to people outside The Netherlands. The English speaking countries mostly as the magazine is in English. I doubt whether 1 phonecall of me would cause an immediate board meeting and firing on the spot. But maybe I am that important

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