It's all your preference. JM is more my taste but that doesn't say much. You'll find out that you shouldn't spend $ on a pin just because others say it's fun. Believe me,I know.

Pass on that Wh20.no topper,no way.probably needs alot of other stuff too.

I'd go for JD over JM

None if you can't inspect and play them first but that's just me.
$500 is a fair chunk for shipping too, surely there is a better deal out there than that. What states are you shipping between?
Always wanted to give JM a whirl, looks like a cool game.

probably JD for me..

In equal condition, WH20 is the clear winner.

But if the condition of the WH20 is suspect, you can't do better than JD. JM is a great, fast game - but it doesn't hold a candle to JD.

Wh20 is easily the best game of those 3 all things being equal. But that one sounds like trouble.....

The JD sounds like good value and it's a good game. Does it have the topper?

Ha we were typing almost the exact same post at the same time....you beat me to it

For me it would be between JM and WW. Both of those games have more depth than JD. JM also has some really fun flow, the ramps feel really good to combo. JD, while a cool game at first, gets boring fast in my opinion. The wide shot variety aside, there's just not enough to the game. Not worth the money especially if you can get a working WW for basically the same price.

WW is my preference but as the condition is less I would pick JM then..

Wh20's are not so easy to restore.....and ramps and topper really expensive. That's a good price though. If you don't mind a bit of a challenge, may be worth a shot. Or get both the wh20 and the JD. U can play the JD while fixing up the wh20.

Are you on the Aussie Arcade forum? Look up Prowler - he does a great delivery service that recently takes in Adelaide, but not sure about Wollongong. Usually Brisbane, Sydney, Adelaide Melbourne. For 2 he may go to Wollongong.

I would take the wh2o. For the long hall it's going to fun for a lot longer then the others..@

check with hunter express.. it will be to a depot in adelaide tho. so youll need to pick it up. saves a bunch of money, rather than shipping directly to residential address.

+1
Depot to depot is the best option if you can use it.
I have used E-go a few times depot to depot with no problems from Melb to Bris, cost around $250 each time I think from memory.
Or the prowler option is very good and he will deliver to your door.
If you don't go with JM would you mind passing on the seller details, I'm in Brisbane and could be interested in it.

Send one to me here on Pinside please mate, I'm banned on AA for bad behaviour.

yep, hunter express was $220 from bris to melb. so its not too bad..

Get the WH20. Parts are available and the new topper repro should eventually get done. If the playfield is hosed then pick the Judge Dredd.

Wh20, although I thought this thread was about Whirlwind, in which case I would've picked Whirlwind.

Wh2o is a better deal for the money. If the pf art is not worn the plastics and ramps can be replaced. If it is trashed then you're better off with JM, I've owned both JD and JM are great for the money but JD's widebody game is not as smooth and fun as JM.

Wh20 man! Great pin. Total WPC classic!

Parts are all over, albeit can cost you if you have to replace ramps. Love the ruleset too. Oh and the topper parts are out there. The white backer, the decal, and the dome.

Next I'd grab JM. Difficult pin with a somewhat lousy theme. Hand can be an issue, but is fixable and there are parts and scads of info on diagnosing the little bastard.

Lastly I'd go with the JD. Im not a huge fan of widebodies. This one has a ton of stuff on it to shoot at.

(get the wh20)

What he said

Long term Wh2o has more legs. The game is a blast with great flow and great rules. This game is a keeper. I sold mine and regretted it. Bought another and it's never leaving. The other two suffer heavily in the rules area.

I LOVE JM. I love the flow, the modes, everything, but I hate the terrible rules. The only way to get a decent score is to get that spinner lite up and hit it over and over. Literally that is the only way. You can work through the modes, even start the wizard mode and you still won't get a great score. Such a shame as it's otherwise a great game. Just adjusting the scoring would make it amazing. Really hoping someone visits the rules on this one and improves it.

JD suffers the same fate. Great lay out that is really under utilized. You can push through the modes, but the best way to get a great score is to start MB, get the judges and start the wizard mode -- this is off the top of my head. I've owned JD two times. Always love it for a couple of weeks and then despair at the weak rules. The art and layout are top notch. Very creative, just needs good rules to make it awesome.

LOL! That's what I thought as well. I would also have recommended Whirlwind

-WH20 is the best game of those 3. For me easily a top 10 game, maybe even top 5.
-JM is one of the best values in pinball. Super fast, and lots of fun.
-JD would be 3rd. Good game for the money. Lots to do with some great animations.

-I've never played JD but from what i hear its great fun
-WH2O is a Great game and is a freakin classic of 90's DMD's but it has the issues
-JM is a great game and my first DMD but if your really a stickler for themes than it might not be for you but I loved the cheesiness.

but thats a good price on the WH2O if you can handle the issues(The topper missing is a bummer though)

just follow your gut and don't worry what us pinsiders say

http://ns8313.hostgator.com/~gameshop/product/white-water-topper-decal/

http://ns8313.hostgator.com/~gameshop/product/white-water-topper-03-8745/

http://ns8313.hostgator.com/~gameshop/product/fish-tales-and-white-water-clear-dome-03-8653/

Topper parts above. Dome, bracket, and decal.

Why is everyone sweating the wh20 topper? All parts available.

EDIT: this decal above does NOT give the water fall effect. FYI

Does the water animation effect actually work with this one?

Good question Pimp77.

I'd email little shop of games and ask. You'd think it would, right? What's the point of it NOT giving the effect.

Maybe it doesn't, and that's why everyone is saying the topper is impossible to find...

EDIT: I emailed Little shop of Games: the wh20 decal doesn't mimic the original effect.

Yeah, that's the issue. I wonder why nobody can copy technology from 1992ish in 2015? Crazy.

For that price you should get two.

He should buy 2 games for $2800 or the price should be 2 for $2800?

If you have to ask...O-din is currently the Pinside champ for the ol'1400 bucks JD joke. Search it.

Never played JM, but White Water and JD are great games. Hard decision.

what do you like best? That is the real question. Condition of the Wh20 is somewhat of a moot point as you are in AU and having it shipped for $500 anyway, you are in for the long haul regardless and it isn't going anywhere I'd imagine, and with that kind of voyage across the sea I'd imagine no pin would show up without issues. All I know is that if I were paying $500 to have a game shipped, I'd get the one I wanted most.

Use it or lose it has always been my motto.

White = W
Water = H20

White Water = WH20
Cheers!

the same seller, has WH20 and JD ?

i never did like that pin.... but each to their own.... its amassed some popularity around here tho.

If you can get a Whitewater for your Black Rose, go for it! I like my Black Rose pretty well, but in the US, Whitewater is by far the most expensive game you've mentioned. I would say that or Dredd is the best one you've talked about.