Just a reminder. The new rules dictate that you must create a market place ad for any game over $3k. Once the ad is made, you can embed a direct link to it in a post on this or any other regional for sale thread. Thanks!

I think many would pay that (pretty sure I would). I mean that's $2/month. It would also keep out riff-raff, people creating dup accounts (even kaneda would run out of money). however, if you're new to the hobby, you may not be willing to and it could end up shrinking the hobby.

Six months free trial for new members

I think you should be able to post pics in a regional thread if you're a plus member.

Link to Craigslist. Done deal.

A lot of people, myself included, would rather not deal with craigslist

Yeah I agree, there has to be a better way than not allowing pics on the regional threads. These threads are among the favorites of pinsiders and your essentially making them pretty pointless.

I'm not sure why people think it's such a big deal to pay such a small fee for selling a game. How is it better to charge everyone instead of just the people making money from a sale?

Just my $.02

I guess im riff raff. I donate $5 a year to pinside and I think thats enough. Everything theyve added or changed is unnecessary. Just leave it alone, it works fine. I would not pay $25/yr, id rather find another site at that point. I spend enough on pinball, I dont need to spend more. Yall with unlimited pin budgets are the elite of this hobby, some of us are just scraping by to stay in it.

I bring fewer sales here ever since this became a business and I see others bringing fewer games here also (more showing up in other places). I think for me personally, any obstacle to building community is a bad thing. In this case I see this directly as an obstacle to community.

I understand the desire to make pinside more profitable since it is now a business (opinion on making it a business is another thing...) but this was a bad business decision in my perspective.

I can say that I would be fine with a nominal annual membership ($10 at most) but then doing away with all the other fees.

Pinside is really not a community anymore, at least not like it used to be. (Anyone remember when we bought Robin a game; I think we did at one point around when I joined and I donated to that because it was a fun thing to do as a community; those people should all get a free lifetime membership )

I get ya. Im more of a "play the free games for free and let the rest pay for the extra crap" (in terms of apps) kind of guy. $20 more is just another bill I dont need to pay. Im already thinking about downsizing my collection with the baby, damn those things are expensive. Im fighting it as much as I can, but Im beggining to think its inevitable.

Does anyone have an idea as to what the annual operating expenses could possibly be to run this forum? I assume it's more of a time commitment than anything else. If an annual membership was only $5 and 15,000 out of the 35,000 members stuck around and paid that fee that's still $75,000. That's a decent annual salary (without knowing the operating expense) for running a community forum from the comfort of your own home. That said I don't think this should be a "paid members only" club (even though I would pay to be a member, lol).

Great! Now we are paying to voice opinions???

I don't mind giving pinside a small fee for using there site to sell a game.

What I do mind is when you list something for sale and it turns into a complete troll fest. It's BS!

My thought would be a tiered system of members.

You get to choose:

1st Tier FREE, no annual membership fee, browse, post, pictures, have a ball.

2nd Tier, $X annual fee to be able to list ads and buy/sell as a collector/hobbiest. You want to sell, you have to upgrade your membership.

3rd Tier $XY annual fee as a retailer member. This is for the heavy hitters, Mod guys, enough said.

lol

400bucks over the 4 years I have been here at .02 per post.

Then again, some people think I am entertaining so I should get a discount.

lets see how this embed thing works

Machine - For Sale

NIB America's Most Haunted $8000 Archived

NIB - New in box (distributor/business) - “Not that it matters, but I need a new (used) car. Priced for no hassle sale. SOLD for 8000. Willing to ship if buyer arranges. Game is one of the last 20 built in the production r...”

2016-08-06

Madison, WI

Whysnow

8,000

Archived after: 3 days

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Status: Didn't sell to Pinsider

I would add to that, certain forum topics aren't accessible by free members.. Gotta give more of an incentive to pay than just being able to sell pinballs.

I see you already have a bunch of trolls in your thread.
Good luck with the sale.

Thanks for the link
Bookmarked

If I sold a pin via pinside I would have no problem paying the fee whether its on the chicago thread or marketplace.

However I would rather try the Chicago thread first for the reasons listed in badbilly27 first thread on this subject. The marketplace would be 2nd choice.

In summary I don't like the new rules. Life goes on.

If Hilton can figure it out, anybody can ....

Have local organic hot peppers to trade. +/- cash.

Seems to be a theme for me ...

But is anyone interested in picking up some cocktail pins (4 total) from Crystal Lake (all in the garage - no stairs) to my parent's garage in South Barrington? The deal is done but unfortunately, I can't do it myself as I just moved away to Ohio. Seller is available pretty much anytime this week. Please let me know!

Good to see there's been a lot of trading and selling going on in this thread lately.

I'll trade you my Farfalla for your Jurassic Park + cash ....

Ha! No thanks. But that Safecracker looks really tempting. Pretty sure I have an extra kidney sitting around here that I could sell...

Considering trading my Twilight Zone (very nice example with LEDs, Dazzler Gumball LED mod with gumballs, diverter magnet, Flipper Fidelity Speakers, and Pinsound Board upgrade (my favorite mod on this machine that has 4 musical different scores). Looking for a newer pin (Wizard of Oz, The Hobbit, Metallica, etc). Curious if anyone is looking for a trade locally? If so PM me and I'll be happy to send pics. No Playfield wear and cabinet in great shape as well.

I find when someone posts a dozen photos in this thread for it to be quite annoying. One or two photos to tease a machine is fine. Only a couple of people reading the thread really need to see a dozen photos, so having that in a marketplace ad makes sense to me.

Going to be sorting through my playfields I have here and will be selling a few I know I will not use or my games don't deserve them :0) Here is what I know I have:

GNR- NOS, never installed..(not going to be cheap since when have you seen one last?)
Addams Family- Used playfield, has typical issues
Jurassic Park- NOS, never installed
Last Action Hero- NOS, never installed..

Have to see what else I have, but feel free to shoot me offers, etc... while I figure it all out!!

Toying with the idea of trading out my X-Men:Wolverine. Ideal trade would be a Metallica premium or GoT pro, but might be open to others. PM for details if interested. Just a trade feeler for now. If I get serious about selling, I will post an ad.

all these added things, just seems like trying to price gouge and dictate the direction people need to go. All it will do is piss off a lot of people. Shit like this keeps happening and i'll stop my auto contributions.

This site has slowly turned into a bureaucracy that's highly over moderated with a bunch of unnecessary features added to it, 99% of which I could care less about. The reason I migrated from RGP was because that's where the action went and because you could actually post some pics. The layers of rules is making this place less and less appealing. Makes me wonder when the next iteration will come.

yup, and then someone will make a new forum page that will be basic like pinside used to be, and this will be dead like RGP now is. Fawk things up, and your people will migrate somewhere else.

There is truth to that.....history proves as such

I liked this site's progression from RGP. Very nice format and being able to post pics. But the constant money grab is wearing thin. Won't be long we will be charged a nickel just to make a post. Would love to see someone take a shot and start up a new site.

I listed 4 games in the market place today
Let me know if anyone is interested

Go for it. You realize it's not free to do?

"Couldn't" care less.

If you COULD, you WOULD.

Ugh. Sorry. Pet peeve of mine.

I'll take THIS site any time. I love it here. If others aren't happy here they are free to leave anytime.

I don't know how you can run a site LIKE pinside for free?
Can someone upload a forum based on vbulletin to a cheap server? sure, but you're going to be stuck with the default plugins, and if you start getting a lot of traffic (pinside has 34,000 uers), your server is going to be getting hammered and load times will suck (even with a dedicated server, it's all about bandwidth). Dedicated servers aren't cheap, nor is bandwidth to that magnitude. There's "for the love of pinball", and then there's going broke trying to do so.

I couldn't agree more, too many people getting upset about something as fun as pinball. Is this site perfect? No, but instead of all the complaining, everybody should put forth suggestions on how to make it better, and if the powers that be would listen it would go a long way towards being an even better site!

Are you referring to the voluntary heart donation? Or the ~0.5% sales fee when successfully selling a game via our Marketplace? I'm confused what exactly you consider a "money grab" here.

Hey, I'm open to suggestions and looking forward to your thread with ideas on how this site can run without any budget.

Any one got any hook ups in San Diego area? Got a noob buddy looking for his first pin. Would love to be able to flip at his crib when Im there. Let me know please.

I understand your point, and it always seems like there is another hand out there waiting to grab that dollar. But for me, if I look at it purely from an economical standpoint, the money I have saved by learning a "do-it-yourself" trick here and there, or the extra few bucks I might have realized from a sale, more than offset a few bucks to keep the site going. I would be all in for a yearly subscription if that is what it would take. I don't think this is being used as a money-making proposition...there are a lot of costs on the backside, such as hardware, bandwidth, licenses, etc.