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Chicago Coin's Casino ball return issues

By imdrakman

9 years ago


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#1 9 years ago

I am a newbie at em repair and could use some help. Bought Chicago Coin's Casino and am in the process of restoring it. I have cleaned all the scoring wheels and step units, checked all relays and silenoids and switches. Everything works mechanically. However, for a while, the first 3 balls worked fine. You start a game, the ball is ejected and you play. Then the ball returns, totals, then ejects for the next ball. But from ball 3 on up, it would not eject / advance the ball. Now it does not eject the ball at any time.
Any input would be greatly appreciated

#2 9 years ago

Have a schematic?
If so look at the outhole switch ,outhole relay,and the related score motor contacts is where i would start.

#3 9 years ago

Thank you. Yes I have a schematic. I will look into those things.

#4 9 years ago

Great machine, I have been looking for one..

#5 9 years ago
Quoted from imdrakman:

Thank you. Yes I have a schematic. I will look into those things.

Any confusion on it let us know we can narrow it down for ya. Post snips if your not sure.

#6 9 years ago

I looked at the outhole switch, outhole relay and the score motor contacts. Everything seems to be ok from my inspection, but as I said I am a newbie. Last night I put my DDM on the outhole relay and it checked out. In fact, today I played a game, and for the 4th and 5th balls, it worked perfectly: totallying the score then ejecting the ball - so I know physically it all works. It's just a bug somewhere and I don't know enough to figure it out. I have been looking and studying the schematic until I get a headache. I inspect and re-inspect all related items. I check for wires. I checked all the fuses. Why would it work once in a while and not all the time? My thought was it must be some kind of loose connection, or maybe a stepper not returning properly. All the wires are intact and soldered solid. I have cleaned and adjusted all step switches so they all return properly.

#7 9 years ago

Other possibles→ Look at the player control relay contacts clean/adjust if needed , clean/lube the ball count unit, could also be a game over contact that is sketchy , not clean or contacts not holding shut. From looking at a C.C. Hollywood schematic is what i am going by which should be a similar layout.
Post snips of the Casino schematic if unsure what you see.

#8 9 years ago

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I have inspected the player control relay and it all looks good. I do not know where to find the ball count unit or game over contact. Most everything is labeled except for a few steppers inside the cabinet. I am assuming the ball count unit is one of them. My schematic is too big to get a good pic, so I took pics of inside the cabinet and under the playfield instead. Hopefully you can point me in the right direction.
Thank You Pin-it for your help. I have been reading other posts in this forum and you clearly know your stuff. I am assuming you do this for a living?9-17-14a-334.jpg9-17-14a-334.jpg9-17-14a 002-942.jpg9-17-14a 002-942.jpg9-17-14a 001-909.jpg9-17-14a 001-909.jpg

#9 9 years ago
Quoted from imdrakman:

I am assuming you do this for a living?

Unfortunately i dont but if i went back in time to the heyday of Ems the draw towards repairing these would be very hard for me not to.

Quoted from imdrakman:

I looked at the outhole switch, outhole relay and the score motor contacts. Everything seems to be ok from my inspection,

Back to your original troubles you mentioned you looked them over but did you actually clean/adjust the contacts? The ball sitting in the outhole dead is the issue that must be repaired first.
Looking at the Hollywood schematic [similar layout] you can see the path on what the outhole circuit involves. Look for the common layout on your schematic to find the fault.
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#10 9 years ago

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Sorry for the delay - been having trouble logging in.
I have cleaned the contacts for the out hole switch, and the switch in the ball shoot. I have cleaned the switches on the out hole relay. I have cleaned the switches on the scoring motor. I lifted the playfield and simulated some scoring. Then held down the out hole switch to watch what happens inside the cabinet when it totals. I was able to locate the ball count unit and quickly labeled it.
I have attached snips of the schematic and scoring motor diagram, if that helps.
Thank You

#11 9 years ago

Is the game set up for 3 ball play?

#12 9 years ago
Quoted from imdrakman:

I have attached snips of the schematic and scoring motor diagram, if that helps.

Excellent that gives us accurate diagnostic info.

From what you uploaded i can see the path [1st snip] the outhole switch when closed will allow the Outhole re. to activate [labeled 1st] then the contact on the O.H. Re. will close [labeled 2nd] allowing the circuit to complete to the ball return coil. I have circled the Score motor contacts [2nd snip]involved in the sequence too.CCC OH Circ..JPGCCC OH Circ..JPG

Clean and adjust as necessary to fault is fixed. Self explanatory on what lies in those circuits to complete path,just see what is between the power feed [left side wire] to return path [right side wire]completing the circuit.
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Let us know how you made out.

#13 9 years ago

The game is currently set up for 5 balls. I have tried 3 ball setup, but no difference. Also tried difference high score settings: replay, extra ball, and nothing. No difference. Thank you for making it clearer to me the sequence of things. I thought I already cleaned all the appropriate contacts, etc., but I will go back in there and double, triple check.
Thank You

#14 9 years ago

Well, I'm at a loss. I thought I checked / cleaned everything involved but still nothing works. Wish you were here in Tucson, I would pay you to come take a look.

#15 9 years ago

Time to trace the wiring with a meter set to continuity,the possible issues are: broken wire,a dirty corroded jones plug,sketchy solder joint in addition to the contacts etc.....
For example i would diagnose it like this[link to testing with a jumper]and use a meter in its place,just make sure you unplug it first. No welding!
http://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=EM_Repair#Test_Procedures
You will have to close some contacts in the testing as you go along using the meter,some small pieces of cardboard to force them to close will help with that. Just follow the path picking the wire color from the schematic key as you go along till the fault is found.

#16 9 years ago

Thank you. I will try that. Thanks for all your help!

#17 9 years ago

I have not tried the continuity test yet, but I have revisited the schematic. Was trying to pinpoint what step is between catching the ball, totaling it and ejecting it. Looks like I need to find the Bonus Unit Post Switch, but I don't know where that is. I have located the bonus collect relay, and bonus relay, but not the switch. I have engaged the outhole relay manually, and it works. I have engaged the bonus relays manually, and they work. I have engaged the score motor and it works (except for tripping the outhole relay). On the schematic, the Bonus Unit Post Switch is between the outhole switch and score motor.

#18 9 years ago
Quoted from imdrakman:

I have located the bonus collect relay, and bonus relay, but not the switch.

Assuming the labels are missing. To help narrow down look for a stepper unit that would have 2 coils [step up & reset]and manually[step up] advance one that would coincide with the bonus lights,once found look at the switching operation and clean/adjust if needed.

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