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#817 1 year ago

I just got involved in something that may be a bit too much for me to handle. I recently bought a pair of Chicago Coin Machines. Hi Flyer and Red Baron. Needless to say, one was broke and the other was partially parted out. I didn’t pay much for them.
Hi Flyer is now 100% not broke, and it only took about 20 hours over the course of three weeks. Perfect playfield, good cabinet, flaky backglass.

Red Baron was partially parted out. Someone at some time in the past wanted some of the relays in the bottom and backbox. They cut the wires off at the loom to remove them. A total nightmare.
My intention from the beginning to take this parted out Red Baron machine and “part it back in.” It almost had a date with the city dump before I came along and deserves to live.
The last major problem is the bonus collect relay. It’s the last one on the board in the far back left side of the cabinet.
I’m hoping someone can share a picture or five of this relay, the switch stack positions when the game is off, and which wires go to which blade.
The schematics and parts catalog contradict each other (and both contain a more than a few errors)
With the parts catalog showing five blades, all normally open and the schematic showing one, (yellow black & Black yellow) normally closed.
Beyond that, it comes down to where the wires go on the switch. The wires are pretty faded in that one area.
I could try guessing or tracing all the wires
and possibly smoke another bonus relay coil, but I prefer not to.
Any help is greatly appreciated!

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#819 1 year ago
Quoted from 64bsstp:

Just had one in my shop - it got picked up yesterday. I should be able to get some pictures for you if someone else doesn't have them handy. Might take a day or two. Actually, your wire colors look pretty good. The wires on the one I worked on were faded worse. I had to cut the harness loose to identify some of the wires - really nice bright colors inside the bundles.

Thank you! The picture above is enhanced by my iPhone it’s about the only way to tell if the wires are yellow or white with black or gray or green or blue… in reality they’re quite hard to tell! I hope you or someone has pics. Getting this relay in is the first step to being able to run it and find out what else is wrong!
I’ve replaced 3 missing score reels and two easy relays that had been stolen from it. This bonus collect relay is a bear with all its wires.
Since none are available for sale, I had to build a switch stack according to the parts catalog description. As I said, the book says they’re all normally open but I question that.
Thanks to multiple purchases on fleabay, this Red Baron is now partially made with parts from a Bronco, Cinema, Gin, and Soundstage.

2 weeks later
#820 1 year ago

It turned out that nobody had pictures of the relay board on Red Baron and so I decided to figure it out myself like I always do.
Yes, I was hoping for a hint at least, but you should never depend on others to help you, even if they offer to help.
I’m not complaining, you have to learn to do it yourself, pay a shop to fix your machine for you, or get the hell out of the hobby.
Remember, very little is free and some people want you to fail, or simply give bad advice because they don’t know the answer themselves, but need to feel important.
I had written a pretty long post giving advice to other Chicago Coin EM newbs on troubleshooting, but when I got done I thought “Who is ever going to need this?”

In the end, maybe it doesn’t matter. Nobody is going to get rich off some crappy old Chicago Coin pinball machine, so who, (besides a handful of us) is ever going to bother fixing one? The grail machines are all that’s important to 98% of pinball collectors, and that’s just fine by me.
Some would even say that I saved garbage from the dump and would laugh at me because I paid money! IPDB reviewers are brutal!
Anyway, I don’t have to thank anyone here except myself but I felt it was important to update that the Red Baron is 100% working and that I no longer need help.
One piece of advice to everyone:
Don’t make promises you never intend to keep.

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