I'm able to squeeze in the club. I posted a couple of these pics elsewhere, but they do fit here.
I actually have quite a few Chicago coin pieces, but these are the only pics I have loaded..
As I read, I see Gun Smoke is well liked. I had/have one stored for years. My room for pinball/arcade
is presently pretty much maxed out, but eventually may have to pull out the G.S..
I had a Casino stored also forever. It needs a backglass and much work, but it is complete.
I remember going through the 1963 Bronco. Built just like their Gun games and Bowlers. Solid.. (T)

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Sounds good. I haven't seen the Casino in years. I'm going to have to reexamine it..
I got a Gun Smoke glass from Steve. Haven't yet installed it, but looks good from what I see..

A while back a pinball Friend a few towns away had/has one of those Rifle Ranges. Played it and found it
certainly different. A few years later I had a chance on picking one up but no space, (before I added on)
but should have snatched it and found a place to park it. It was a little ways away, so never looked at it. The
pinball Friend's was the only one I have seen..

I presently don't have it set up, but the 1963 C.C. Bronco has the same extra ball feature.
I suppose I'm legally in the club having a Sound Stage set up, but haven't any pics loaded..
It needs a backglass, but I have a Casino I had stored forever. It needs much mechanical
work, but after hearing a few reviews on that machine, I'm thinking about digging it out and
going through it..
Hang on! I did find a distance shot of Sound Stage. 3rd from end. My Club I.D.

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It's been awhile since I went through the Sound Stage, but to start out,
did you make certain that the Ball Count Unit is functioning freely?
If you start a new thread about this, you may have better results.
I'll check back.. (T)

I've had/have one of these stored for many years. It needs quite a bit of work, but recently dug it out and
the playfield is decent, so looked it up and seen not extra ball, but added ball for the high scores. Is Casino
actually a true multi-player Add-a-Ball where the balls can be cumulated during play. C.C.'s 1963 Bronco
is, so figured this could be also, which to me, would add to the interest of the game.. (T)

An Extra Ball "game".. The one that I have is missing the backglass,
but with an Added Ball, the same player shoots again, right?

It looks like C.C. did have a pinball invention after all..

Yes, being in N.Y., I have all the Gottlieb Add-a-Balls and also all the true "Wow" (I believe 7) machines, and a
bunch of "Same Player Shoots Again" machines, but I also have Gottlieb's Top Hat, Lariat, and Hyde Park, (also
C.C. Bronco) which are all true multi-player Add-a-Balls where one can actually built up their balls. There's only a
small hand full of titles with that special feature. After seeing Added Ball (not Extra Ball) on Casino's score card,
and knowing C.C. previously had produced a true multi-player Add-a-Ball, I thought possibly Casino may be a true
Add-a-Ball machine which for me would have grown my interest. But either way, I'm sure in time, I'll be fixing
up the Casino..

"Wisconsin", Add-a-Ball country! I have 2 C.C. Broncos, both being Add-a-Balls. I hadn't been aware there was
a true multi-player Add-a-Ball title with a Repay version. Gottlieb's Pleasure Isle has the Replay Paradise, but
still two different title names. I wonder if C.C. has other true multi-player Add-a-Balls..

Say, Firecracker, Bronco, and Sun Valley were produced around the same time. I wonder
if Sun Valley has an Add-a-Ball version. I have one, but I'm pretty sure that it's Replay..

I do have a mint Sound Stage glass in the machine that's set up, but I rather not
mail that one out. However, my 2nd Sound Stage could use a glass, but still has plenty
of the art on it to use for remake. I plan on sending a couple others to Steve, so if any
others could use a Sound Stage glass and like to go in on the shipping, I'll send the
original Sound Stage glass along also. Of course I'll be paying for the better part of the shipping
because they'll be a couple of other added glasses (1956 Williams Fun House and EM Sinbad)
in the package. Maybe the more Sound Stage glasses made at one time, the better the price (?) (T)

The Wizard and Palace Guard glasses I had done from what is known as
double imaging from photography which came out alright. The Mini Pool
glass was from scanning, which came out better. The Derby Roll (and many
others) I had digitized which comes out the closes (if not exact) to silk
screen that I have seen. The problem is, it takes my Graphic Designer
many hours to do, and he's so busy with his regular graphics..
I'm not so worried about breakage, didn't have one break yet (and I
sent out many glasses), but the shipping. I can get a glass (with insurance)
sent pretty much anywhere in the U.S. for $30.00, but coming back is where
it cost..
I am going to see if my Graphic Designer will digitize the Fun House. That's
the one that I'd like to come out the best. Months back, I did already have
the EM Sinbad scanned (in 4 sections), but it's not cleaned up yet (?), so just
thought I check with Steve because he'll be sending me a Balls-a-Poppin glass
anyways..

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The Casino that I have is totally complete except no backglass, so that's good news.
The Friendship "7" glass I had done from scanning. The Hollywood Driving Range
from digitizing.
I contacted my Graphic Designer and knowing most likely another won't be sold,
he's willing to do the Fun House glass come Winter. I'll have two made to make it
worth a little more for his time spent..

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The process is done on vinyl in 3 steps. First on clear, then white, then the gray
(or black) backing..
Back in the mid 90s before just any glass could be produced, I was getting in Chicago Coin
Goose Neck Ball Bowlers and most of the small lower glasses were cracked. I checked around and
located a vinyl graphic designer and he remade the small glass perfectly. I also had United small
ball bowlers that needed glasses. It took awhile to get the larger glasses to where it is, but
back then it really saved me. On the side I was putting these machines out and was determined
for the machine to be cosmetically (and mechanically) presentable..
This was the first full glass that I had done (mid 90s), and had quite a few others done since..

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Thanks. I'm presently having a glass made from scanning and if it turns out nice
(so far looking really good), I'm thinking of having a Sound Stage glass made
since my 2nd Sound Stage could use one. It would be like $250.00 including
shipping and insurance (within the U.S.). Can't do it cheaper. Can't afford losing
money, but a few more made other than the one that I have made for myself
would help my graphic designer out for much time that he'll have into the initial
copy. Sound Stage is actually a game worth putting a few bucks into. My 2nd one
has playfield wear, but to me, still worth a decent backglass.. (T)

It's been a while since I went through the Sound Stage, but the "Change Relay"
alternates through the 00-90 step up unit. You'll want to check if that's energizing
okay. That energizes through 3 playfield roll over switches. I would think the ones
on the upper portion of the playfield. If the 00-90 is energizing, you want to check
the contacts/wiper it that unit..
I can crack my Sound Stage open if needed.. (T)

I have a Long Range, but it's called Long Range Bulls Eye. Same machine.
I actually have a couple, and have to get a glass made for the second one.
I'm just finishing up another Chicago Coin Bulls Eye, Bulls Eye Baseball.
Not the Men-Running-the-Bases unit, but light animation, and I might say,
it's a pretty nice player..

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I have a S.S. set up. I know I have a few coils. If I
have enough extras, I'll let you know..
The Score Reel's coil number is: NA - 26
900 X

Thanks, and actually that's a Midway's Champ.
This is a C.C. Club, so maybe we'll start one for
Midway. See you over there..

You wouldn't be sorrow if you were able to enter the Genco Club..

Yes, you are right about that which I found out not far from
just about a year ago, but it was worth the first couple of
months of only peanut butter and jelly..

I know some may not respect Chicago Coin pinballs, but Hollywood is actually
not a bad game. I once had one in a pizza shop, and the kids seemed to love it..
Years back, a Pinball Friend told me about Mean Green which Dollar General carries.
Now with Magic Eraser being out, for me, the two together works great on yellowed
nicotined cabinets..
BTW - I still have Hollywood..

One is totally apart, but I actually have 3 Hollywoods which 2 are very yellowed.
Could be C.C.s paint method..

I took a look, and the ones that I do have,
good chance I'll be needing. Now having the
coil #, shouldn't be much problem getting
any..

The World Series is probably less seen than the Bulls Eye Drop Ball, and being
baseball themed, it probably would be more desirable, but as far as playability,
I can enjoy playing the Bulls Eye just as well, but with the World Series having
the light animated Men-Running-the-Bases feature, it does have more appeal..
Most likely the marble feature on the Bulls Eye was considered as a gambling
device, and picking it up from the original vendor right here in New York, it also
doesn't have the marble feature..
Not I, but a Friends girlfriend is good on shooting and loading videos, so I'll
see about getting a clip shot. Unlike Bulls Eye where you have a certain amount
of shots, the game is over on the World Series just as it is in baseball. After the
3rd out is made..

Nice work on the G.S! How do you like it's game play. I have one that needs too much
work, but since I have a new backglass, I may one day begin tackling it. I also have a
Casino that needs a baclglass, but not as much work..

If it steps up with ease, you can give it more return tension, but first, after
cleaning, have you lubed (with light grease) the Wiper Board? And I have to
be truthful, after lubing, I really like thinning the lube slightly by applying a thin
film of Remminington Gun Oil over the lube..

I remember an old vendor saying lubing only collects dust (a lazy excuse).
After getting ball bowlers from him, some of the score motor wiper rivots
were worn down to nothing. Riding on the blade itself. After replacing the
wiper's rivots in the mid 90s and having a bowler out on location since then,
there's minimum to no wear. Now of coarse a Ball Count Unit won't get the
wear as a score motor's wiper, but lubing is a huge plus.
That being said, your ball count should return home without the lube, so a little
more return on the spring may be a good idea, but I would definitely also lube (all
step ups). My Sound Stage has been set up maybe 15 years, and outside of waxing,
never had it opened..

If you were closer to N.Y., I think I could use another..
All Mini Baseballs, or were other items in the deal..
I take it that it was a package deal..

Okay, are you saying that the wiper's oval hole has play, or I'm thinking most likely you're saying
that the shaft that the wiper attaches to has play with the gear that it's attached to?

Not that it would make a difference, but a metal washer should be over the shaft before
the wiper goes on..
One thing you can try is to epoxy the wiper to that metal washer. Of course you'll
want to make certain that the wiper is lined properly with the washer.
It's strange that slack had worn. That wiper's nylon is pretty thick..

So the shaft seems to be okay, but the washer and nylons are worn. You feel
another washer and nylon would solve the problem?

I have C.C. Ball Bowler parts. I think the washer and nylons may match. I'll check tomorrow..

Probably someplace, but for now I hadn't spotted a nylon, but I do have a couple
washers with the oval hole. I tried one on my Sound Stage shaft, and it fits snugly.
If you feel they may be something that you could work with, I'll send them your
way. Just need to know where to send them.. (T)

I don't remember having a Chicago Coin factory pin plexi backglass, but I do know that Gottlieb
sent some of their export pins with plexi backglasses. I got in a Majorettes that was probably meant
for export. It came with a plexi glass..

Somehow I have 3 C.C. Hollywoods hanging around, and remember from shopping a couple years
back, it wasn't a bad player, and thought I'd go through one to put in a Friend's restaurant. So I dollyed
in the one that I got in all apart, fixed a bunch of wiring (amounst other things) and liked it's play so
decided to go through another for the game room. That's when I noticed there were differences with the
playfields. One is the caps for the plastics (both definitely factory), but mostly one had jones plugs
for playfield to bottom board, and the other had the white plastic plugins as what is used for the
head. Must be Hollywood is when Stern made the transition and went cheaper with plastic plugins for
the bottom board also. Maybe I have one of a few, but evidently not all Hollywood playfields are
interchangeable without extensive work..

Yes, briefly, but hadn't noticed any in usual places. Nothing under the upper apron either..
Tomorrow I'll check in other places on the cab..

I gave it a better check, and the one with jones plugs, playfield to bottom board,
number is 6806 The one with the white plastic plugins is 7257
I checked the 3rd Hollywood that I have and its number is 6451 and has the jones
plugs on bottom board..
I didn't see a listing on the amount manufactured, but must be between numbers
6806 and 7257 is when they made the switch to the cheaper playfield to bottom
board plastic plugins..
Years back I had a couple other Hollywoods, but can't remember the plugins, but I'd
say chances are the majority have the jones plugs, playfield to bottom board..

Last month I went through a Hollywood that was missing the Outhole switch..
I took a regular Gottlieb rollover off a parts playfield, reformed it, and was
able to get it to work..

C.C. pins in the 50s/60s were built like their bowlers. Like Tanks.
I probably have the score reel, and maybe the coil.
Are the Score Reel numbers 1" in height?

There's a variety of methods, but before waxing, Magic Eraser and creamy mechanics hand cleaner has
always done the trick for me..

I use the smooth creamy (Not Gritty) mechanics hand cleaner that comes in a small plastic round tub
and the top pops off. Since I was at the auto store anyways, I got a different brand the last time, but
I think it's called DL when I pick it up at Wal-Mart. It's "Not" water base which is what you want. Years
back, an old time collector adviced it and I liked and used it ever since..
Not to get into details, but without the vacuum itself touching the playfield, I first vacuum the area I'm
about to clean, cut about an inch off the M.E. (Magic Eraser) pad, use the hand cleaner as a dip for the M.E.,
and rub it in circles on the playfield. Maybe a soft cloth would be best, but I just use a piece of paper towel
to clean off, and then vacuum the light sockets and rollover opens to suck up any hand cleaner that might
have gotten inside. Once the entire playfield has been cleaned, I apply the wax (Mothers Liquid Cardnoba)..
Small story. A while back, someone dropped off their dirty dead Fun Park. Most dirty playfield I've ever seen.
M.E. wouldn't do it, so I took a chance with Scotch Brite soaked with the hand cleaner, and got 90% of the
filth off without fading any of the art. For me, the hand cleaner is cheap, not water base, and gives positive
results..

Yup, that's the stuff I usually get because it's like 2 bucks or less at Wal Mart, but I think
most if not all brands of that type of hand cleaner does "Not" contain water..
To be truthful, I haven't experimented with many other types of cleaners because this one
satisfied me perfect fine. Let us know how you make out with it..
BTW: Juke Box isn't a bad pin. I've had a Sound Stage set up for quite some time.
Last month I went through a couple Hollywoods and I'll be having one of them set up
next to Sound Stage. Hollywood also seems to be a nice simple well liked player.

No, I never had any problems at all with it..
I wouldn't be surprise if it help remove all that stuff off your hands which it's
actually meant for, but all the playfields remained fine. It just cleaned them
nicely. Just make sure that it's creamy and not the giddy kind..
Since the entire playfield is quite dirty even under the plastics, you can first
try it under a plastic area and you'll find that it cleans nicely. You just want to
maybe shop vac that area first to make certain there's not any type of particles
on it that may scratch the surface.
Some hand cleaner and small pieces of M.E can land in light sockets and rollover
notches, so you'll want to carefully shop vac the area also after it's clean..

When the marked blade with red is in the downward position is when the unit is
totally reset. The other pic shows the wiper fully stepped up which is 10 step ups
from reset..

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Was there an indication that your wiper may have once been takin' apart
and not reassembled correctly?
Tomorrow I'll take a side view and let you know what blades should have
continuity with each other..
btw: You ever been to any pinball parties maybe 90 miles east from you?
A few collectors from Buffalo has been here..

6-5-2-12-10 should have continuity with each other.
4-1 continuity together.
8-11 continuity together.

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1. Thick white plastic is on the very bottom
2. Circular metal piece that the wiper board's wipers ride on
3. 6 - 5 - 2 - 12 - 10 (yes, these blades have continuity with the circular metal piece)
4. Insulating spacer
5. 4 - 1
6. Insulating spacer
7. 8 - 11
8. And the top thick white plastic tops it off
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Good deal!
Most likely the ball count not always stepping up is from another area.
Not sure if you have a schematic, but you'll want to check the closed switches in the Extra Ball Relay,
an open make/break in the Outhole Relay, and an open switch in the Ball Index Relay.
(Could also be a closed switch in the 2nd Ball Relay and Score Motor B2 and D3, but seems not likely)..
The Ball Index Relay needs to be energized for the Ball Count to step up.
The Ball Index Relay energizes from a make/break in the Playfield Runway switch, (and also an open switch
in the 100-900 Relay)..
Once energized, it remains energized from a switch in the Ball Index Relay itself, and a closed make/break
in the Outhole Relay..

When you hit the Start Button, does the Coin Relay energize? If not, if you manually activate the
Coin Relay, does the Start Relay energize and start a game?

Under the playfield on the bottom board, should be the Coin Relay. Hopefully the labels are
still there. If you push that relay in with your finger, is what I meant by manually activate.
You may get lucky and have a quick fix by stepping up the credit unit that's inside the head.
You'll want to push in (a few times) the larger coil plunder of the two. This will make contacts
touch which will complete the circuit to the start button. Because it worked fine for so long,
you wouldn't think that that's the problem, but worth a try..

I can't off hand address them by name, but I believe any of the C.C. Shuffles from the late 60s
to mid 70s would be pretty much labeled the same.
Might the Lock and/or Coin Relay label(s) be attached? If so, Lock and Coin 2nd and 3rd from the left?

The Relay Bank is missing the label strip. It should be on the Reset bar, but
the other labels look to all be there.
I'm thinking C.C. Ball Bowler Relay Bank is pretty close to the Shuffles.
The Start Relay is on the far left, and Game Over on the far right..
You'll want to go through the components, then maybe during trouble
shooting, we can match up the Relay Bank's coils, and I wouldn't be
surprise if someone else jumps in that has a C.C. Shuffle from that era..

So there's a true 2 Player AAB version of Mustang where a player can build up the added balls
on one ball like on Pleasure Isle? I have a couple C.C. Broncos like that, but I'd really like to come
across an AAB Hula Hula.

I looked up the AAB Mustang on IPDB, and it doesn't have a "Shoot Again" on the playfield, so
I bet it is a true AAB like Bronco. I understand Firecracker (which is from the same era) also had
an AAB version.
I'm sure Pleasure Isle is better, but how's the Hula Hula AAB?

Ah, shoot added ball now. It sounds like maybe the balls can't be build up like
on your Pleasure Isle and Hula Hula..
I just went through a Gottlieb true 2 Player AAB "Hyde Park", and it definitely
deserves a thumbs up.

I have a few C.C. machines set up, 2 of them are pins.
I also have 2 Casinos which I should be able to make a
decent one from, but was debating. If your opinion is
thumbs up for Casino, that does increase the chances
of me putting one together..

I was sometimes wondering on Gunsmoke's game play. The rating on IPDB isn't
great, but then again, it's taken from only one rating..
I have a Gunsmoke that needs some work, but already have a bgresto glass, so
I am considering..

I have a little C.C. question..
I've read comments describing Chicago Coin's 1963 AAB Bronco as very rare.
I wasn't looking for one, but over the years as an add on toward a trade in,
twice I've gotten one in. I looked on IPDB. No ratings, no pics..
Is the AAB version truly as limited as it appears? If so, I may get one set up
and send IPDB some pics and a rating..

You might want to try Mike Pacak.
[email protected]

I just finished up a C.C. Bronco.
This is the Add-a-Ball version.
If anyone happens to have the
score card saying when extra balls
are rewarded, A pic would be much
appreciated..

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I like the looks of Western Theme pins also.
One thing I can say is that C.C. pins from this era
were built like their bowlers. They solid as tanks..
I have another, so this one I'll probably trade or
maybe sell..

I have a Playtime head that I had stored for years. It came from an Old Time Vendor
here in N.Y., so perhaps it's the add-a-ball version..
On Bronco, if you set a score for an added ball lets say on 700, it'll give you an added
ball every time your score reaches a 700. So 1,700, 2,700, ect., so I set it on 1,000
so that it gives an added ball for every 1,000 points..
On Bronco, there's not any indicator that displays how many added balls you have
accumulated. Just the "Shoot Added Ball Now" light stays lit until the added balls have
expired. Is that the same with Playtime, or are there additional lights showing the amount
of added balls?
What Bronco version did you have, the Replay?

Yea, okay, but that sounds like a Shoot Again machine. With the true 2 Player Add-a-Balls you can
build up your extra balls (up to 5) on the same ball. On all 4 Gottliebs, through backglass mechanical
or light animation. it displays the amount of extra balls. (Same with the AAB Loop-the-Loop).
On the Bronco AAB, "Shoot Added Ball Now" lights without showing how many added balls are
accumulated.

An Extra Ball. So you only were able to Shoot Again one time with the same
ball in play?
On True 2 Player AABs, you can build up to 5 extra balls on with the same
ball in play..
On Pleasure Isle, you're able to build up to 5 extra balls on the same ball
in play.
On Paradise (the Relay version) you only can Shoot Again one time with the
same ball in play. After the ball has drained and you play the Shoot Again
ball, you're able to get another extra ball.
I have 6 different True 2 Player AABs, and none have a Replay feature..
Same with Chicago Coin's Hula Hula. One version is "Same Player Shoots Again",
and the other is a True 2 Player AAB. The AAB has an extra ball count unit in the
backbox so the added balls can be built up. I wouldn't mind having either one,
but I really wouldn't mind the AAB version..

I checked out Twinky, and IPDB doesn't list an AAB version, so perhaps someone
converted it to accumulate extra balls, but if not, you had an extremely rare Twinky.
In that same list with Twinky, it showed Gunsmoke had an AAB version, so I had to
do a quick check with the one in the barn, but nope. It has a Replay Window..

Yes, Gottlieb Wedge Heads have, and also the Gottlieb True 2 Player AABs (Big Top, Pleasure Isle, Hyde Park, Lariat)
indicates the Added balls to play either through backbox mechanical or light animation. The True 2 Player Bally Loop-
the-Loop also has using the match feature lights (1 - 5). C.C. AAB version Bronco doesn't display the amount of added
balls accumulated on the ball being played. The "ShOOT ADDED BALL NOW" remains lit until the last added ball is being
played.

Yes, IBDB doesn't list an AAB version for Playtime, but besides Mustang and Bronco, it list Firecraker and Hula Hula having
an AAB version. From those 4, I'd like to have the Hula Hula AAB, however, the Hula Hula Replay version does have a
"Same Player Shoots Again" feature, so I probably wouldn't mind the Replay version either..

Being a single player, I believe Kicker would be set up like a Wedge Head AAB without the
Shoot Extra Ball Now. I'd like to see other pics of it also. The Italian version AAB has Italian
writhing on the backglass. If this hasn't, pics should be sent in to IPDB
On your Playtime. Is it SHOOT EXTRA BALL NOW, or SHOOT ADDED BALL NOW? An AAB
Playtime's not listed on IPDB. I'd like to see pics of that also.
So your Playtime can accumulate added balls. If the score is set for lets say 700, does
it give a score every time a 700 is made, so 700, 1,700, 2,700, ect.?

Interesting. It's different than the Italian AAB version..

Okay. I asked because on the Chicago Coin Bronco AAB, if the score is set lets say
on 700, it'll give an extra ball every time 700 appears (1,700, 2,700, ect.) so I
have it set at 1,000 so every 1,000 points awards an extra ball.
Your Playtime saying Shoot Extra Ball Now is interesting. For years I had a Playtime
head in the barn, and since the head was easy to get to and I had to go in the barn
anyways, I looked on the backside of the backglass and it is the AAB version and like
the AAB Bronco, it says 'Shoot Added Ball Now'

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If you happen to ever think about trading the Kicker, I have duplicate
Wedge Heads. I like collecting both AAB single and the few AAB 2 Players..

Since IPDB doesn't mention an AAB Playtime, I sent Jay a couple pics. The backglass
is pretty poor, but easily shows no Replay Window next to the Lady on the right's head.
However, although it's in with the other Replay Playtimes, one of the Playtime's backglass
pics on IPDB appears to show it not having a Replay Window.
In one of the pics below, I placed a lit flashlight displaying the 'Shoot Added Ball Now.

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Haha. I just now looked and noticed it..
It seems the Internet Pinball Data Base has no information on the Chicago Coin
Add-a-Ball Playtime. I'm sure Jay wouldn't mind seeing a few pics.
The Gottlieb True 2 Player AAB machines are pretty rare, but the Chicago Coins
seem to be very rare. All 5, 6, or however many different ones they made..
I actually wouldn't mind any of them, but Hula Hula is the one I keep an eye out for..

I have 6 true 2 Player AABs, but no Hula Hula. I certainly wouldn't mind one
and have quite a few different title Wedge Heads for trades if one pops up..

Well now I know of 3 C.C. Bronco AABs. I have the other 2, and yes, I believe the
Replay versions doesn't have 'SHOOT ADDED BALL NOW' on the backglass.
Just last year I went through one of them and sent picks to the IPDB because they
had no info on it. Apparently the AAB version is pretty rare..
bgresto is presently making a glass for my 2nd Bronco, and I believe its ready, so
Steve now has that one on file.
I'd like to ask you. Lets say your Bronco is set so 1,200 awards an added ball. Will
it then automatically add a ball for all numbers ending with 200 (2,200, 3,200, ect.)?
I have mine set on 1,000, and it adds a ball for every 1,000 points after that also. If
I had set it on 1,700, it would also give a ball for 2,700, 3,700, ect. How about yours?

Yes, I believe C.C. Kicker came in both versions.
Sounds like you don't care for AABs so much. Might
you like to trde the Kicker for a Replay machine?
I'm in Upstate N.Y.

Okay. Does yours have a Replay window in the backglass?
The Replay machine shown on IPDB has a Replay window
and between the flippers it also has Extra Ball.

I sent Steve from bgresto a few used glasses so he could put them on file
that he hadn't created yet, so I got the Bronco backglass for half price which was
$175.00, so the normal price must be around $350.00 shipped.
I got a few glasses from him, and they look alright. He does have the Bronco
completed, but I'm waiting on another glass that's just about finished then
he'll ship them both together. Once I get it, I can send you a pic if you like..
The rule is, if you would like a glass done and he doesn't have it already on
file, then you can send your original to him and because he's using yours to
recreate the artwork, you'll get the new one for half price ($175.00), and if you'd
like the original back, he'll return it with the new one..
I will say, his regular job has him away from home a lot, so if you email, it may
take awhile for a response. The same with receiving a new glass. You'll get it,
but it most likely will take a few months..

Pictures of what, Dealer and Bristol Hills? If he had Snow Derby (Replay version of Bristol Hills),
it's possible he could create the Bristol Hills artwork with just a rear and front pic of the backglass,
but I checked, and he doesn't have either on file..
I have a couple Bristol Hills also, and my 2nd glass is usable, but nothing great. You can send
one of yours in so you can get the new one for half price, then perhaps I'll pick one up once it's on file..
The simple playfield layout fooled me, but Bristol Hills is a very good player. Certainly worth having
a new backglass made for..

Yes, the 1st Player 10 - 90 Score reel has a make/break. The double red goes
on the outside switch (closest to the score reel).
I have 2 of these. Each one needs much work. I do know of another that's
near mint. I was thinking about making a trade deal for it. let me know what
you think of its game play..

A Big Thanks to aahgo which last month gave me the lead to do a
trading deal, and today I brought this baby home, with the bonus
being, it's the Add-a-Ball version. Thanks aahgo! It's one of 2 or 3
on my wanted list..

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I traded a 1962 Gottlieb Olympics with a new backglass.
The glass on the Hula Hula is pretty nice, but it had been
sealed and a small amount of paint is stuck on the light
board. It's not really noticeable unless the light board is
open, but the rest of the machine (cabinet, coin door,
etc. is nice enough to have a new glass made which
eventually I probably will. Being the Add-a-Ball version,
she'll fit in nicely with some of the other machines set up..

And on another note, while searching for a photo of a 1962 Chicago Coin
Sun Valley backglass, I received a response saying I have a Sun Valley
I'll sell. I asked for pics, and got a couple with one being the backglass,
and after a couple looks, I noticed it has no Replay window. If there's
an Add-a-Ball version of Sun Valley out there, it would be the earliest
True 2 Player Add-a-Ball that I'm aware of.
The way the emails went, something seems a little sketchy, but that
is a Sun Valley with no Replay window. I'm going to keep pursuing it..

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Yes, Thanks, and you alerted me in time. It was in Chicago. A few weeks after
someone I know was going to Chicago with his closed trailer. I helped him
with a couple things on his ball bowler, he helped with the trading exchange..
The timing was perfect..

Thanks! I haven't played a Hula Hula yet, but I heard good things
and expect it wouldn't be an easy one to let go..
What machines of mine did you have some interest in?

It seems Chicago Coin made a few 2 Player Add-a-Ball version machines,
Hula Hula, Bronco, Fireball, Mustang, Playtime, and others.
It wouldn't surprise me if maybe Sun Valley also, however, I don't think
I'll be able to verify that. It's looking like the one I was working on is just
a scammer, but it draw my attention seeing it didn't have a replay window.
I have a quick question. I'll shoot you a pm..

Earlier this month I got in the repro backglss for the other Bronco
(which is also the Add-a-Ball version), so this one that I already went
through I'll be letting go..
I've been busy on a couple of bowlers, but today I did set up the
Hula Hula which was previously gone through, but it has a couple of
issues, so I'll be working on that this week.
I have the Gottlieb 2 Players all together, but maybe I'll be breaking
that up a little bit. The Hula Hula would look nice next to Pleasure Isle.
I have a Paradise also, but the room I have is once again limited to
have all three swinging the hips..

It seems Fire Crackers may be fairly rare, but being in Wi., might yours be the
Add-a-Ball version. If so, I'd say very rare. How about the one 10 miles away,
would you happen to know about that one? All Chicago Coin 2 Player Add-a-Balls
seem to be very rare.
I wouldn't mind seeing pics. Does it have the Score/Instruction Cards?

So your Firecracker backglass has 'SHOOT ADDED BALL NOW'?
If you look at the Replay's version on IPDB, it shows another backglass that doesn't
have Shoot Added Ball Now.
On the Bally Loop the Loop AAB (Add-a-Ball) version, it does use the Match Feature
lights (the first 5) to display the added balls, but Chicago Coin 2 Player AABs doesn't.
On the Hula Hula AAB, at the end of one game, after the ball drained, the AAB knocker
knocked, but game was over. I looked, and it knocked because the last score number
matched the Match Feature number on the backglass. When I fired up the next game, it
began the game with an added ball. Shoot Added Ball Now light was on. After looking around,
there's a Match Feature In/Out plug on the fuse block board. It was plugged in the in position.
I recalled the AAB Bronco has Match feature numbers on the backglass, so I just now took
a look, and there's a Match Feature plug where the fuse holders are, and the Match Feature
lights are wired. I was thinking that doesn't seem right with Hula Hula, but I'll now have to
check and see if the Bronco does the same thing when the Match Feature is in the In position.
Don't count your Firecracker out not being an AAB version. Where it has Shoot Added Ball Now
on the backglass, are there wired lamp sockets on the light board?

I was thinking you meant yours did have Shoot Added Ball Now.
Both on the AAB Bronco and AAB Hula Hula, the 0 - 9 Match
feature numbers on the backglass are not used to display the
added balls.
There's no 'SHOOT ADDED BALL NOW' silkscreened in this glass.
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It could also mean (including themselves), no manufacturer before had made a
2 Player AAB where added balls can be accumulated on the same ball being played.
The Sun Valley I have is only the Replay version. The backglass is shot, so I'm having
one made from the image of a Sun Valley backglass that was on the internet.
If you zoom in the yellow on the bottom of the glass, you're able to make out the image
"SHOOT ADDED BALL NOW', so it appears Sun Valley Add-a-Balls was made.
From what I have noticed, all Chicago Coin 2 Player Add-a-Balls are pretty rare. I only
know of 3 Broncos, and 3 Hula Hulas. There's 1 Firecracker on the IPDB.
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Yes, I'd say the AAB version would surly be a plus.
I'm having a Sun Valley glass made (not digitized, but good enough for home play),
and having the 'SHOOT ADDED BALL NOW' added into the glass.
Sun Valley's Replay version on IPDB has a good rating, and years back, I actually went
through the Sun Valley, but can't remember its game play. If I do go through it again (which I probably will), I'm going to convert it to AAB..

On the Playtime, I only have the head of an AAB version. If I found a bottom, even a Replay
version, I'd be able to complete it as an AAB..
On your Hula Hula. Surely it gives credits for high scores, but does it also give credits when
the Kick Out hole is lit? I'm finding Chicago Coin AABs gives added balls the exact same as
their Replay versions give replays. Even the match feature, and like know on the Hula Hula's
replay version.
I have a Replay version Sun Valley, and all though I myself don't know of any, it's appearant
an AAB Sun Valley version was produced. I saw a Sun Valley glass in a pic, and all though not
clearly, you could see the "SHOOT ADDED BALL NOW" image. The Replay's version doesn't have
those light sockets, but they do have the 3 light socket holes.
Sun Valley only gives replays for high scores. Since my glass was toast, I had an AAB version
glass made and converting mine into the AAB. I have it so it gives added balls for high scores,
but I'm thinking to convert it so when all 9 numbers are lit on the same ball, not only 200
points, but it'll also give an added ball..
lmk on your Hula Hula. The AAB version gives 2 added balls when the Kick-Out Hole's left
light is lit, and 1 added ball when the right is lit... (T)

Have you checked the Coin Lock Out coils?

Okay, I believe what you're saying is when the harness going to the Coin Door is plugged in,
is when the fuse blows. When that harness is unplugged, it also deactivates the Flippers.
Did you inspect the Flipper Coils?
If all else fails, if you have a few elegator wire clips, you can put finishing nails in the female
of the harness, and jump each connection individually, and see which wire is causing issue,
but besides the coil lock outs, there's not much else on the coin door except the coin lights
and the anti-cheat switch..

The only 15A fuse is for the 30 V circuit, so it wouldn't be a lamp socket,
but sounds like a dead short. If all the connections are unplugged (the
head, chimes, knocker, all of them, and the only one plugged in is the
one to the power switch (you don't need the smaller coin doors pluggin
connected to feed power) it blows the fuse as soon as the switch is turned
on?
btw: I'm hoping you're using a breaker and not blowing regular fuses..

How good of a player would you rate Gun Smoke?
I have one (with a new backglass) but it needs much
work. I have many other projects and was wondering
if you feel Gun Smoke may be worth spending quite a
bit of time on?