Don’t worry once Rocky sells you will get your 6000 with interest ..

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/150880

There is no second side to the story.
You don't take a picture of a fake check nor do you send a fake overnight tracking number unless you yourself are a scammer

Yeah, at this point I don't give a flying fuck what happened previously - he said he's sending / has sent the money over and over but has not. I wouldn't do business with that guy no matter how good the deal is and it doesn't appear he offers up good deals anyway.

Pinside sales adds are nothing more than a classified add. The rest is on you. There’s no reason for pinside to get involved like eBay, because eBay processes the actual payment. Pinside doesn’t take your money and give it to the seller like eBay. Also there’s no need for a pinside escrow company, I imagine that the international logistics would be quite the hurdle when there’s already companies that do this job well.

Here’s everything you need to know.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-to-not-get-ripped-off-in-pinball-vids-guide

Edit added
The best thing for pinside to do is keep the course and offer a forum to expose scammers and give credibility to honest community members.

Not to mention the legalities of getting into the middle of a dispute over money, fraud, etc. - eBay has enough transactional volume to pay for teams of lawyers.

Yeah it will never happen. The people who run this site aren’t dumb enough to think mediating pinball transactions would be a benefit to them.

And I don’t care who is administering it, I’m never going to buy or sell a pinball machine using escrow. Batshit crazy idea.

You hear escrow brought up all the time here, but has anybody ever actually sold or bought a game that way? If I’m selling a game and someone mentions escrow (which has never happened to me in hundreds of deals over 21 years), I’m ending the conversation and moving on to the next guy.

Any updates from JoeyItaliano or Wally16 ?

Did that check ever show up?

You vastly underestimate the complexity of a mediation service and an escrow service.

There are a lot of laws and regulations for somthing like that, just domestically. Internationally, it is incredibly complex.

A lot of people don't even pay the sales fee on ads. It wouldn't be the moneymaker that you think it is.

JoeyItaliano is a one sided BS'er that posted this thread with info that only makes his side look good. The other side makes you look bad. The real story always comes out. Stay tuned.

JoeyItaliano Feb 15 mean anything to you.
Tell the whole story.

The truth is the truth.

I have a strange feeling that joeyitaliano and WALL-E are both laying in a back alley bleeding profusely after a mutual ass beating over pinball money.

It happens more than one would think.

This is the sort of comment that keeps me coming back to Pinside again and again.

Can't figure out if you disagree or agree. I guess it doesn't really matter.
Unless the op Is lying the scammer here needs to be sent packing

Both your absolute confidence and outrage in the statements that ‘There is no second side to the story’ after a dude comes in and tells us his version of some rather convoluted and drawn out series of events AND followed by your last judicious ‘scammer needs to be sent packing’ is nothing short of comedy gold.

You can ridicule the idea all day long and from what I can tell, based on your posting history, $10k is nothing to you, hence you think this is stupid.

I find it stupid when PinFan69 sells his HUO treasure for $15k and Balls8Fanatic sends him a check eagerly anticipating the precious.

PinFan69 meanwhile thinks his shit doesn’t stink and doing business with him is like a favor. “satisfaction of owning one of his games” LOL.

And then there’s this free entertainment where semi anonymous posters like you and me get on each other’s throats if “the check’s in the mail” and how impossibly stupid it is to think about a better system.

ebay.com link: escrow

They do this for $10k watches. Apparently you think ebay does this without monetizing it.

And blablabla it’s difficult whatever. At least there would be no bitching about $6000 going poof.

Ok.

So next time you try to buy a pinball machine, tell the seller the only way you are doing it is via escrow and see how it works out for ya!

Escrow around here is like renters insurance; an idea everybody loves and everybody talks about but nobody actually ever uses.

Paypal is an escrow service. Look how good that works.

However, he really didn't "tell" us much of anything at first. If you recall, his original post was just a copy/paste of texts and emails without any story-telling, but everyone complained that it was too long. Simply reading the raw texts/emails one can form some opinions and draw some conclusions about both members; and nothing is stopping Wally16 from commenting here.

I don't know JoeyItaliano and his ignoring the question about the tracking number is concerning. Maybe he got the check after all? If so, he should say immediately and put an ending on this.

this may be the worst/dumbest thread on pinside at the moment and that's saying something

That was my point - threads like this and the outrage and blustering that goes on in them is one of the highlights of my miserable days.

Exactly.. go ahead and sell your pins on Paypal.. It's great in theory, until all of a sudden, you deliver the product and the buyer screws you out of payment with a CC chargeback or claims it was damaged or who knows what.

This is old news, but the buyer takes on 100% of the risk for any remote transaction. Don't like it.. then cash on the glass.

I consider Joey a stand up guy. It’s very simple, Wally owes him 6k and after numerous runaround’s, this guy still hasn’t paid him. Theft and fraud and I would never buy anything from Wally. If Wally can do this to Joey, he can do it to anyone in the hobby.

That's for JoeyItaliano .

It’s f’kin’ Saturday… Maybe Joey has got the family out for a nice afternoon drive…

If you really looked at crazylevi posting history (which would take months 24/7) you would know he is far from "semi anonymous".

But either way, this thread is typical pinside fodder. The impassioned pinsider who was "done wrong" comes to air the dirty laundry and find resolution, riles everyone up, and then disappears. It's silly. If he has a case, use legal channels. Pinside shaming has rarely yielded a $6k pay day.

Enough of this overblown drama, I need to catch up on a balloon that was shot down by a missile...

I have to agree with Levi. Escrow services are often discussed in "how not to be scammed" threads, but outside of that, I think I can count the number of times I've seen people say that they've actually used an escrow service on one hand. The reality is, most people just don't use them with pinball deals.

And honestly, if I'm selling a game and someone wants to offer to pay using an escrow service, I'm moving onto the next buyer. I don't want to deal with the extra layer of complications. Pinball machines really aren't that hard to sell, and most people I've dealt with are either newbies looking for their first game or connected in some way to the pinball community with good feedback.

It's primarily a digital wallet. Those are two different things. It looks like you can fund an escrow service directly from paypal, but paypal itself isn't the one providing the service (that I'm aware of).

I don't accept large amounts of $$ through paypal for a remote sale for this reason. If I get screwed out of a couple hundred bucks, oh well, it sucks, but it's not going to break me. It's a risk of doing transactions over the internet.

I'm mostly a cash on the glass guy, though I have accepted some wire transfers from folks who have a lot of good pinball community feedback. It's a bit more difficult to claw back a wire than paypal funds.

I believe you are correct. Although PayPal and eBay are owned by same company, I think escrow is mainly part of the eBay experience.

Used to be true.
Don't think that is still true

No, they officially split in 2015. They have had nothing to do with each other since then.

Yes, you are correct. They spun it off in 2015, I am reading. However, like you stated before, escrow is not built into it.

Disappears? LOL, his last post was yesterday, it is the weekend. Not everyone on here 24/7

Exactly. He was hell bent on making his case, posting many many times in a few days, and then his trip to Chuck E cheese circumvented his interest in his $6,000.

It's understandable, it's Saturday!

Paypal is third party and takes your money when the other party whines. Not officially an escrow service. But the result is the same. Give a third party control of your money and bad things can happen.

Never trust an Italian guy named Joey that signs his emails 'Joseph'

Just sitting here waiting to hear who will be swimming with the fishes. ohhhhh!

Well alright . . .

Ok, that begs this question:. Which pinsider works at the Hartford post office?

Wow, the fun never ends!! Now the check is lost?

Well that is clearly not UPS overnight as he said it was shipped lol.

Now that we see it's USPS, it makes total sense that it did not actually arrive overnight.

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So Wally was telling the truth and the USPS was to blame. Is that what happened?

Impossible… there is no second side to this story, right?

Tracking number EI612164555US
Delivered - February 06, 11:05AM
New Port Richey, FL

JoeyItaliano please confirm that you received the package and that it contained the check.

Here is the conversation Wally wanted me to post on his behalf. He does not know how to post in the forum. I had to teach him how to do screenshots.

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