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Cheap Power for Bally/Stern Displays - Will this work

By Cheddar

5 years ago


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    #1 5 years ago

    So I found a couple cheap power supplies for bench testing early bally/stern displays. These are made for running Nixie tubes and I wonder how different that is from bally plasma displays.

    So this guy is China only and only does 20ma
    Here's the first tiny little module: ebay.com link: 170V DC High Voltage Power Supply Module Transformer Glow Nxie Tubes Magic Eye

    Then there's this one (with US sellers) that can do 55ma
    ebay.com link: Genuine NCH6100HV High Voltage DC Power Supply for Nixie Tubes

    finally this one from Lithuania that can output 100ma
    ebay.com link: POWER SUPPLY for nixie tubes K155ID1 nixie driver same SN74141

    I only test 1 display at a time and currently test all digits at once. The factory fuse is 3/16A which is 187.5ma. Is it simple enough that I can divide by 5 for the load from a single display ~40ma

    The 100ma supply should be sufficient for this but I am not an electronics expert.

    I'm willing to buy and try but I'd like to know if there are any red flags before I do. Thanks

    #3 5 years ago
    Quoted from Quench:

    Do you have your own software/hardware solution to do this (test all digits at once)?
    Bally/Stern only display one digit at a time on any display.
    Have you tried measuring the HV current draw with your single display test being powered from a Bally/Stern SDB?

    I do for LED conversion displays.

    Great idea about checking at the SDB. I'll try that out

    #5 5 years ago
    Quoted from bluespin:

    I keep seeing ads for this Zaccaria/Bally/Stern display tester here on Pinside. Have you checked that out?
    https://pinside.com/pinball/market/shops/1046-pinballsolutionseu/02004-tester-for-bally-stern-amp-zaccaria-displays

    yeah that's what made me think of this. The price is fine but the $25 shipping kills it for me since I already have a partial solution.

    #7 5 years ago
    Quoted from acebathound:

    Exercise caution with what you do here..

    OK this is some good advice here and I'll take it. If I was to grab the pinballcentereu tester could it be driven by the power supplies I mention above?

    #10 5 years ago

    he's here on pinside let's see if he'll weigh in. Hey gianfri can you weigh in?

    #12 5 years ago
    Quoted from Validpowerdetect:

    They still use nixie tubes?

    They make some pretty cool clocks out of them.

    #15 5 years ago

    Good enough for me. I'll send a pm to order a tester and I'll order up one of the nixie power supplies and let everyone know what the results are.

    Thanks everyone for your advice!

    #19 5 years ago

    OK got this unit into today. Dialed it up to ~180. The dial is very sensitive. Ran $20
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    ebay.com link: Genuine NCH6100HV High Voltage DC Power Supply for Nixie Tubes

    Hooked it up to a garbage display and got the glow. Waiting for my tester to give it a real try.
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    #21 5 years ago

    I wonder how long the tester will take to get here from Ottignies-louvain-la-neuve?

    #24 5 years ago
    Quoted from acebathound:

    That's surprisingly quick. What carrier is used? In the US it's $10-15 just to ship a 3oz package out of the country.. rates jump pretty quick as the weight goes up... $20, $30, $50... On the positive side, packages do reach the destination countries quicker than before 2014.. used to take 2-3 weeks or more for First Class International.
    Hope you sell a lot more of these Gianfri! Test equipment needs some more love/sales. It's nice that some people make this stuff available even though some of it only sells a handful of units a year. I think being able to make a few suggestions on a power supply like Cheddar is trying out will help it sell too.

    I love these little testers. I think I own the suite of pinitech and siegecraft testers. I have my eye on some gottlieb sys1 and 80 testers in my future too.

    #28 5 years ago

    This thing? ebay.com link: DC DC 10 32V to 45 390V High Voltage Boost Converter Step up Booster Module HV

    Crap I would have bought that one for the price. Although if the Nixie board works it can almost be mounted on the tester.

    Edit: only 20ma. So my board at ~50ma should work fine.

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    #35 5 years ago

    tester is due for delivery today but I had something else that needed help. I did not adjust the stepper output voltage (left it at 170) but adjusted the output on the SDB to the same. I'll fine tune it in the machine.

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    #37 5 years ago

    Got the tester today with a lovely assortment of stamps. In exactly 7 business day. I put a .156 header pair on mine as I'm hoping to just mount the nixie board on it.

    Initial test with a known "needing repair" board worked as expected

    #40 5 years ago
    Quoted from Cheddar:

    Got the tester today with a lovely assortment of stamps. In exactly 7 business day. I put a .156 header pair on mine as I'm hoping to just mount the nixie board on it.
    Initial test with a known "needing repair" board worked as expected

    Using the tester I found the solution for 1 bright digit = Replace digit driver and level shifter and fully working display!

    #41 5 years ago
    Quoted from acebathound:

    Cool! When you get a display fully working, I'm interested in hearing if the digits seem to light brighter than when installed in a game or if they look about the same. From the videos I've seen, it kind of looks like when in single digit testing mode, the digit lights brighter than when it's multiple digits being lit?

    That is absolutely the case. Individual digits are bright and they dim when all are lit. I don't this will be the issue for LED displays. I'm working on some conversions now and I'll upload a vid when I can test the first one.

    #49 5 years ago
    Quoted from Mombo-number-5:

    I have thought of selling my Bally "Brown Box" Display tester from time to time. It would be hard to part with due to the TLC myself and Clive Jones gave it. I guess it's gotta' go somewhere before I croak, and the clock is ticking. If there is enough $ interest, I'll eBay it away I suppose. Actually this may not be to difficult to make copies of.

    While there's no way I could afford it I'd love to see some pics of it.

    #52 5 years ago

    That is super cool. Thanks for posting it

    2 months later
    #54 5 years ago

    I have seen that too. I keep my power around 180VDC so I don't see it as often

    #59 5 years ago
    Quoted from jj44114:

    Not sure I get why a tester is needed for these plasma displays. For a sound board or SDB I get it. Why not just plug into a working game and run the display test? I have done it this way for hundreds of displays. Never needed another tester.

    I don't currently have a Bally or stern at my house to test them. I've still repaired a bunch with it.

    2 weeks later
    #67 4 years ago
    Quoted from Mathazar:

    Thinking about getting gianfri 's display tester and looking into a stepper to drive HV (ebay.com link). What do you use/connect into the stepper for the 12-24V DC In? I haven't been able to find any pictures showing how that part connects.

    I use one of these: https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/MEAN-WELL/RQ-50B?qs=V9a8iPeg90yfVL7CjCrVgQ%3D%3D

    and just stripped some wire of the end of a jumper and put it in the connectors on the nixie board.

    #69 4 years ago
    Quoted from Mathazar:

    Interesting....mouser is out of stock (7 weeks) but it's on Amazon for $20. Did yours come with the wall plug cable or did you have to fashion your own? Amazon doesn't list any "accessories" that get packaged with it.

    I used an old pc power cord. Yeah it didn't come with anything

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