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Charity concerns, Looking for information. PinballEDU

By Tsskinne

7 years ago


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    #1 7 years ago

    The below quote was posted previously today under a new, anonymous, and obviously fake account. I'm not going to say I understand why the OP of that thread felt the need to violate the rules of pinside and as a result have that thread shut down, but I think the questions posted are important and valid. I was previously contacted by a person who is close in proximity to the charity and shared many similar concerns with me. I briefly looked into the matter and also found it odd that there was no advertising of the machines that should have been placed in children's hospitals or homes, but I left it at that, simply an odd thing not to advertise. I think that all the concerns expressed by this other person (OP in original thread) merit answers, and I share with the sentiment of the original poster that hopefully our concerns are unnecessary and invalid. I do not believe I have personally participated in any of the drawings for pinball machines from this organization, but I have from a few of the others that are out there. As a individual who works as a teacher, specifically students with special needs, and has also previously worked as an ABA Therapist in an Autism center, seeing a charity like this that aims to really help kids is awesome because I truly believe pinball does offer a lot of benefits to these children. At the same time I want to make sure that those same children aren't being taken advantage without receiving the benefits as outlined by the intentions of the organization as listed on their website.

    Searching Pinball at this website which provides public information on 501c3 may help provide some more detailed public records on different currently running pinball charity organizations. http://www.guidestar.org/search
    The original post included a screen capture of the information but I will simply let others check it out on their own.

    "I've been taking part in a raffle held by a charity occasionally, that raises $10,000 and raffles off a few items, and then a brand-new Stern Pinball machine.
    www(dot)pinball-edu(dot)org
    The prospect of winning the machine is very appealing, especially since the money goes towards, what I thought (And very-well may be) a good cause.
    This post is an open inquiry and ask for inspection of this charity. I see many people and companies supporting them, and I have not seen or heard of any of these charitable bullet-points upheld.
    I just don't see the proof that the money I'm donating, is actually supporting the good causes they say they have been doing for years.
    No finger pointing. Only questions.
    If you have answers, please post below for people to easily find.
    From their website:
    What We Do
    -Partner with events to engage the general public for awareness and new client discovery. (I've seen them participate in the Pinball Done quick events, so this holds up)
    -Procure, place, and maintain pinball machines at childrens rehabilitation hospitals, out-patient centers and schools. (No record can be found of this, and if it exists, It isn't easy for a donor to procure.)
    -Establish certified training and mentoring programs for community-based pinball locations that educate families about the therapeutic benefits of pinball play. (This has been posted on the site, and the year the facility opens changes yearly)
    -Assist in academic research. (No record can be found of this, and if it exists, It isn't easy for a donor to procure.)
    -Place pinball machines with families that have a child with Autism or Downs Syndrome. (No record can be found of this, and if it exists, It isn't easy for a donor to procure.)"
    At the end of the day, this is a LOT of money for a charity to take in and not show that they are "Procure, place, and maintain pinball machines at childrens rehabilitation hospitals, out-patient centers and schools." when other charities are doing this, and have very open record of where those machines are.
    A search on www(dot)guidestar(dot)org/ (Which keeps tabs on data for nonprofits) shows zero income, zero assets, zero info really.
    (Image attached, important company numbers/assets/income removed)
    I want to be able to support this cause with good conscience, since their message is so strong.
    Again, if you have the answers, post them below.
    Thanks."

    link to original thread, now moderated and locked
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/charity-concerns-looking-for-information-pinballedu-1#post-3622955

    #2 7 years ago

    great work you do Tommy!!!! Thanks!

    On Topic, are any Pinsiders part of this charity organization?

    #3 7 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    are any Pinsiders part of this charity organization?

    bemmett won a machine from them. https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-edu-charity-raffle-win-a-pinball-machine/page/2#post-2705755

    joesaid is the OP of that thread and likely is Joe P. Said, the founder http://www.pinball-edu.org/our-team/
    Roger Sharpe is on the advisory board, maybe one of the Sharpes has first-hand knowledge of where the machines have been placed?
    Nicole Reik from the Pinball Outreach Project is also on the board and may know where they have placed machines.
    Contact info for POP is on their website: http://pinballoutreach.org/contact

    They have many videos of drawings on their Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/pinballjoe/videos/all

    The drawings official rules page at http://www.pinball-edu.org/pinball-raffle/ shows POP and Pinball EDU as joint beneficiaries of the money raised from the raffle. It also gives the Pinball EDU address.

    November of 2015 is the last update on http://www.pinball-edu.org/news-blog/ as of Feb 27, 2017.

    Seems like Joe would be the place to start. If he's not forthcoming with the details you want there are several corporate sponsors at pinball-edu.org that might be able to help.
    http://www.pinball-edu.org/contact/

    #4 7 years ago
    Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

    bemmett won a machine from them. https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-edu-charity-raffle-win-a-pinball-machine/page/2#post-2705755
    joesaid is the OP of that thread and likely is Joe P. Said, the founder http://www.pinball-edu.org/our-team/
    Roger Sharpe is on the advisory board, maybe one of the Sharpes has first-hand knowledge of where the machines have been placed?
    Nicole Reik from the Pinball Outreach Project is also on the board and may know where they have placed machines.
    Contact info for POP is on their website: http://pinballoutreach.org/contact
    They have many videos of drawings on their Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/pinballjoe/videos/all
    The drawings official rules page at http://www.pinball-edu.org/pinball-raffle/ shows POP and Pinball EDU as joint beneficiaries of the money raised from the raffle. It also gives the Pinball EDU address.
    November of 2015 is the last update on http://www.pinball-edu.org/news-blog/ as of Feb 27, 2017.
    Seems like Joe would be the place to start. If he's not forthcoming with the details you want there are several corporate sponsors at pinball-edu.org that might be able to help.
    http://www.pinball-edu.org/contact/

    Thank you, I did send the same questions to the organization via their contact us link on the website as well.

    #5 7 years ago

    Thank you for your interest in Pinball EDU and its activities. As you know we have been running raffles to raise start up funds. We have chosen as our first initiative to open the Pinball Education Center in Frederick Maryland. We believe this will create a base for our impact. Beyond the admin and legal work involved in running the raffle I have been focused on procuring a lease space for the center. This has been a frustrating process for us with the first space failing at the last moment due to another businesses "no arcade" lease clause and multiple others for various reasons. We have persisted in my search and I am currently working with another local non-profit towards what we're hopeful will be a good fit.

    I'm confident that once we close one of the two leases we're working on right now and your questions will go away. I have countless hours volunteering my time to promote, fundraise and network to getting Pinball EDU in the media and accepted as an novel concept in our local community.

    Thanks for all your support and love.

    If you would like to be notified of our announcements please send an email to [pinballedu at gmail dot com] and you'll be the first to hear the news. I believe we will close on one of the leases in March or early April!

    --

    Joe P. Said
    Executive Director/Founder
    Pinball EDU Charity, 501(c)3 #47-2840921
    www.pinball4kids.org
    www.winapin.org

    #6 7 years ago

    I hope all this nonsense can get put to rest. The OP of the other thread has some ulterior motive obviously for some unknown reason and months back made another fake account to discredit the same organization on the EDU thread. Whoever the guy or gal is...if you think the charity is not on the up and up then go to the authorities instead of spreading bs here on a forum that supports the charity in an obvious attempt to derail the charity.

    #7 7 years ago
    Quoted from Pinballlew:

    I hope all this nonsense can get put to rest. The OP of the other thread has some ulterior motive obviously for some unknown reason and months back made another fake account to discredit the same organization on the EDU thread. Whoever the guy or gal is...if you think the charity is not on the up and up then go to the authorities instead of spreading bs here on a forum that supports the charity in an obvious attempt to derail the charity.

    I think Tom,my raised questions in a nice and up front way. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking for more from charities that are pulling in large sums of money. It is good for any charity to be as transparent as possible and also important to be up to date with communication.

    #8 7 years ago
    Quoted from Pinballlew:

    if you think the charity is not on the up and up then go to the authorities instead of spreading bs here on a forum that supports the charity in an obvious attempt to derail the charity.

    Asking questions about how much has been collected and how it has been spent isn't an attempt to discredit the charity. I see no evidence of misuse in this case. Transparency is one way a charity gives donors confidence their contributions are being used as intended and should help convince more donors to participate.

    joesaid Thanks for responding. Where can I find Pinball EDU's financial records?

    #9 7 years ago

    I think people, myself included, just had some concerns based on the way the other two major pinball non-profits (POP, and Project Pinball) seem to work publicly when compared to Pinball Edu. Both seemed to have websites that were more up to date and included actions that had action taken place for the charities and showed direct examples of their impact. Like I said before just thought the original thread had some valid points/questions, even if they were brought up in obviously a un-pinside friendly way. Thanks for the clarity @joesaid. Also the association with POP via the raffles, at least in my mind helps makes financial sense of the matter.

    http://projectpinball.org/impact

    #10 7 years ago
    Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

    Asking questions about how much has been collected and how it has been spent isn't an attempt to discredit the charity. I see no evidence of misuse in this case. Transparency is one way a charity gives donors confidence their contributions are being used as intended and should help convince more donors to participate.
    joesaid Thanks for responding. Where can I find Pinball EDU's financial records?

    Right asking questions isn't Detrimental and when these questions are answered are healthy for the charity. Transparency is healthy. I have no problems with asking questions but that is not what was done in the other thread...the ones the mods closed. Plus either one of the other charity threads not sure which one was slammed on their thread the same way with a brand new account a few months ago using the same text almost verbatim.. Smear campaigning is not the same as asking questions.

    Whysnow I wasn't referencing you, the original poster Tom, or any other poster in this thread.

    #11 7 years ago
    Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

    Asking questions about how much has been collected and how it has been spent isn't an attempt to discredit the charity. I see no evidence of misuse in this case. Transparency is one way a charity gives donors confidence their contributions are being used as intended and should help convince more donors to participate.
    joesaid Thanks for responding. Where can I find Pinball EDU's financial records?

    The cut portion of the text you quoted of me makes it out of Context.

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