Amen to you brother!

I think stern has the best pins on the market and do shit good...for the most part. That said; it is too bad they're treating customers like this with no answers or statements. They work harder at censoring negativity than they do making things right. I bet Jody already has a few emails out to Robin on this thread alone, I'm curious what will come first; stern making things right - or Stern getting Robin to close this thread down.

Good luck to you KPG, if the company and distributors we continue to support don't have our backs, im glad you do.

/popcorn

Been awhile since i read this thread, but....

I imagine this is directed towards me from the other thread. I like how you twist words around and continue to do so; for the record, i said a small % of playfields (in general, not just ghostbusters) were affected from EXTREME DISINTEGRATING UNPLAYABLE CONDITIONS like KPG's. Just want to keep the facts straight.

Listen extreme pinball; i like you and what you do for the hobby. You have some of the nicest games on route and ive gone to bat for you in other threads stating this. But please stop twisting my words around like you did in the other thread and this one (if this is directed towards me). I feel for you and anyone dealing with these playfield issues i really do. Are your pins inoperable due to ghosting inserts? What has your distributor said about this issue? are you on the list for sterns replacement program? Can you share your pics you sent stern to get on the replacement program?

Right on, thanks for clearing that up.

And i'm not an operator but have unboxed approximately 15 NIB Sterns since entering the hobby 10 years ago and haven't seen playfield issues like we are seeing. Like you said earlier in this thread, and i have in other threads, whatever stern was doing a year or 2 ago, go back to that method - problem solved! But, being in the hobby for so long i have seen a difference between buying 1st production NIB games vs late production NIB games whether it was last year, or 5 years ago. I've finally got sick and tired of being the guinea pig and stopped buying in on these early model production games. It sucks for operators more than home buyers though because it's their business to make money and keep the business rolling. At least for home collectors we can have the luxury of waiting and pick n' choose how we so desire.

So i feel for you bro, i just hope you keep putting out quality pins at your locations with what you have to work with and as a customer, and hobby enthusiast, i recommend you stay clear of LE/Prem games for route as from what ive heard and read, they are much more difficult to operate. And your location Pro machines are as nice or sometimes nicer than an LE (i.e. your TWD & MET Pro's). LE features for the most part are added gimmicks, and Stern doesnt typically program these extra features with much attention like JJP does to their machines.

That's a week away, and considering they rejected redknights playfield, I'm guessing they only have a handful of 'approved' playfield replacements to respond to

This monster bash is truly amazing. Most beautiful pin I've ever seen/played....next to the McCune restored AFM that rob sold dam him!

KPG sold his STLE like a day after I sold it to him lol. And this was long after the code update. I LOVE STLE, and miss it dearly, but the code is not for everyone even as it stands and I get that - STLE code is kind of awkward in that it has no sense of vast progression, but I still love it.

Same goes for GB code in a different sense, it's not for everyone. I've played pinball with KPG, he knows what he likes and dislikes about pinball and he knows how great code can develop longevity in a pinball lineup. He's had Metallica & TWD for a long time and has MMR + TZ. He knows how important great code is for a home use environment.

Me myself, I don't hate GB, I just don't like it enough to add it to my collection, even if it was for a few months.

No offense to Dwight, I blame stern. But, look at dwights coding history since coming back to stern. He did one major update, with a few tweaks, to save STLE; but nothing after cause stern didn't allocate him more time which is a shame because from what I understand, it's one of their best sellers in the last 5 years, even better than AC/DC from what I understand. Then, he abandoned GOT just as it was getting good and he even said it needs more choreography, more sound queues, and more tweaks which he was about to do until stern again yanked him off and put him on GB. And GB has done very well code wise, just as STLE and GOT did, but just like those other two games it never got the X factor polish update to bring it to the next level which is why Lyman & Keith are The best in the biz.

So yea, speculating this is what you get with GB code, is pretty darn accurate from KPG IMO based on sterns history and trends.

And for the record, Dwight does stellar code or I wouldn't have owned two of his pins for a year+ (STLE - sold, regret) and GOT (currently own going on 13 mos). But, I have no plans buying early anymore, even with Lyman games, because of sterns history of abandoning code. And owning Lyman games early blows, see BM66. His games are the best in the end, worst from the start. IMO.

Right on man! If you haven't experienced the greatNess of BW games such as TAF, MB, AFM, MM, TZ, etc.... go for it! Classics are a classic for a reason. Good luck prying robs MB off his hands, he may trade it for your jeep though

I always told you to get GOT PRO not LE; it's night and day. Code was built around the pro. But at least I gave you guys a tour of all the wizard modes in our $1 game night before he sold it lol I love GOT rules, but just like a lot of sterns - it never got the code polish it needs and still has bugs and missing call outs/sound queues I mean, you have one of the most dynamic scoring pins in history, currently in production, with some of the biggest jackpot opportunities ever to be had of any pin; you'd think they'd add some effects and sounds to those jackpots.

Dude I'm a good player and owned STLE for 2 years and even I agree the mission shot and away team shots can be frustrating for starting 18 missions. It's the #1 complaint about the game amongst owners. The best suggest to fix this was using fire button to unlock the vengeance shot to random start a mission.