And you are no better, as you are the mirror opposite of what you are complaining about.

Exactly. They haven't found the problem. Still.

I pointed out before that there was zero evidence of JY64 being Jody, and the moderators have confirmed that he is not Jody.

People should stop calling him Jody.

Facts don't matter to you?

It's ok to falsely accuse a Pinsider of being someone that they are not?

I guess I really shouldn't be surprised that you would think this way...

Yeah, I read what you said the first time.

Again, facts do not matter to you. Just because you feel that he is a Stern "schill" (sic) doesn't mean that people should call him Jody after the mods have confirmed that he isn't.

Like I said: facts do not matter to him.

Really?

The biggest flaw was under the apron. The PF isn't perfect, but this is not an example of a PF that I would ever expect to get a new PF replacement for... by a long shot.

Would love to hear Vids opinion on this one.

Using your car analogy, the clear would only have issues in places where you can't see it, like under the hood.

Of course if there were two GB's for sale I would want the one that looked better overall. Same with buying a car. But just like a car, these machines all have variances that could *possibly* have a small impact on the value.

Just like when I bought LOTR or IM, those titles are known for having fairly big variances in PF registration. People will probably pay a tiny bit more for the ones with the best registration, but Stern didn't replace the ones that were less than perfect.

If I were in the market for a GB I would most definitely consider buying his pin. I don't see anything on his pin that would prevent me from enjoying it, or how it plays. Heck, if it weren't for his red circles I would have had to look pretty hard to see what he was complaining about in half those pictures. We are not talking about some HEP restoration here where near perfection is to be expected. I admit, though, that I would probably want to wait a bit longer to see if any of it got worse since there are a lot of posts indicating that ghosting can get worse over time.

"Normal market value" on GB is already going to be lower just because of all the negative publicity surrounding the pin...

I already said that I would obviously prefer the best looking pin in the best condition that I could find. So would I pay a little more for a "non-blemished" PF? Sure, but I'm talking something small like a hundred bucks maybe. Assuming the issues on his pin don't get any worse, I don't see them as anything that would prevent me from enjoying the pin. If I went to his house and played that pin at a party, there is no way I would have noticed any of those "blemishes."

I'll repeat what I said earlier. There will be variances in one PF to the next. That does not mean that one that has a (negative) variation will be entitled to replacement by the manufacturer.

The implied warranty of merchantability would apply here, and nothing on his PF indicates to me that there is a breach of that implied warranty.

lol

Nope.

That's correct.

I'm surprised that you don't know this, but I guess you are still pretty new to the hobby.

Spend some time reading the HEP threads, or some of the threads by other great restorers such as McCune. Lots of improvements over what you would have got even from a NIB B/W pin.

I would have linked you to some of Chris Hutchins youtube videos that showed his process, including a couple that showed exactly what he does to a reproduction PF from Mirco. In fact, one of the videos that he posted he was actually working on the Mirco MB playfield that I sent him as part of the MB restoration that I was having Jim McCune do. Unfortunately Chris takes his videos down after a certain amount of time so it's no longer available.

Vid said it well!

Sometimes a picture (video) is worth a thousand words. This is my MB that McCune restored and HEP did the PF.

You gotta get over here to play it!

Who?

Right. Also, the more pronounced the dimpling that people complain about.

Why not? That's exactly what he has done in the past. That's what he did with my MB reproduction PF that was brand new. It had too much clear on it. That's right...too much clear, which can cause various problems, including fitment of the parts on the PF as well as what Vid1900 mentioned.

People have even sent their NIB pins to Chris in order to have him do various things to them...to make them better than NIB.

Exactly right. I didn't buy AC/DC or MET early on, and it paid off because by the time I bought them there had already been a few updates, and a few more quickly after I bought them. I bought TWD about 6 months after release and had a similar pattern.

Dwight pins seem to be very close to being "done" from the start, meaning there won't be much change down the road, which seems to be the polar opposite of Lyman pins.

I'll definitely be there!

Couldn't agree more.

Completely over the line.

Talk about not being funny.

This is completely bogus, and I am surprised that you would make this kind of claim Vid.

I don't give a shit what Stern or any other manufacturer puts in their warranty, or excludes from their warranty for that matter, as there is an implied warranty of merchantability that all products sold carry. I have seen his GBLE and there is no way that he would not be entitled to compensation for the defective pin that he was sold.

This doesn't even make sense.

Surely you can understand the simple point he was making?

He didn't say he was keeping it after he puts the new pf in.