Gotcha... fooling around with and fixing the machines is one of my favourite parts of the hobby - for that reason I've stayed mostly away from NIB lately, after buying DI, Houdini and TH. all awesome games, but there's nothing to work on!

The rumor I got yesterday is CGC has a team working on CCr. New code and completed game. (Originally I heard that the CCr will have original code and an enhanced code). I also heard that the progress is going somewhat slow. I guess we will see....

Serious question, why all the praise for Funhouse? Now my first pin was Funhouse and it was my first restoration. It’s absolutely mint and I love it to bits, but here in Australia it doesn’t get the kudos that it seems to in the US. Funhouse seems to be the only pin in the US that sells around same price in Australia, with the rest being a lot cheaper in the US. Just an observation.

That said, I’d love to see a FHr. I have an MBrLE on order and can’t wait!!

Maybe that it's a non-DMD game?

FH is still fun as hell to shoot; one of the only games with double plungers, not to mention Rudy.

That to me sounds great. Cactus Canyon would be a great game to have for a home. Family friendly, but a good theme and exciting. Nice callouts, nice animations. I would want as I stated before a real matching animation and maybe a few others that were left out.
And I don't think they'd have to go crazy on completing the code. Just a few things added.

That would be cool in my book. One thing I wonder if they might try is the translucent shootout drop targets. They were originally meant to be that way so light could be shined through them. But, they never could find a material that would last and not break.

It’s a fairly thin game though - some enhancements would help it last quite a bit longer at home ...

I agree its a shallow game... I never played a real one in person. I have it on pinball arcade on my ps4.
And it didn't take long for me to complete the wizard modes for the game.
Still really fun and its a looker, with a fun theme and some killer toys.

If they are enhancing the code, then who knows they could add a few more modes and maybe even another wizard mode. A super grand wizard mode. But, I really don't like complex code to be honest.
Games like Star Wars(Sterns) are just off putting for me... Even Batman 66, which I like(I like playing Stern's SW too, just hate the code) is a bit confusing. It could take you hours and hundreds of dollars to understand the code on location. I like a game where its easy to figure out the code, but difficult to master.
And for that I really wouldn't want them to add too much to Cactus Canyon... If it turns out they are making it.

I really think there is a joy to the simple code. And lets be honest its not like its a Space Shuttle or Sorcerer, where you just rinse and repeat your strategy. Mind you I really enjoy both those games and hope to own the latter one day. As I think there is an appeal to shallow game code too.

That's Interesting. I haven't heard that before. It's things like that people look to CGC to do. Make the game better than the original. Not just big display and sound and some graphics. CC is one (because of being an unfinished game) where they can do all kinds cool stuff to make it stand apart from the original and the Continued Version. If they are indeed starting over on a new code, (which I think they are) it gives them the opportunity to create a much better game than the original and one that could rival the Continued version (just not in the same way). The question is, do they have it in them to do it?

The original Yes, the Continued version, No.

Concur

Totan with some expanded encode would be killer.

Love that theme, toys are great. Just needs some deeper code. Some new LED lighting could really make it pop as well.

have you played a arabian nights? way overated game, looks good though.

I think the next remake is far more challenging for CCG....they picked off the low hanging fruit. The next game will become far more challenging to sell 1000's of units...CC might be great if they can or are willing to move into developing the code, which is an entirely different development question. IJ or TZ would be nice to get NIB, and would probably sell well, but I suspect the BOM on TZ would be pretty high....

Yeah, there is a transcribed speech/lecture/q&a from the design team floating around these forums where the creators talked about making the game. They had wanted translucent drops for the quick draw/shootout targets. But, they never could find a material that would stand up to the beatings of a pinball game.
They also talked about why no video mode.
And quite frankly I thought their reason was a bit silly. They claim for operators you need to make a game not exceed certain ball times. So if they added a video mode they'd have to make the game harder to ensure the ball time remains the same.

And I think of video mode or a multiball or anything that can extend the length of my game as a reward for achieving it. Not taking money out of an operators pocket. But, enriching and rewarding my playthrough. But, I don't think the game needs a video mode. Works great without one. And for every good video mode out there, there are many, many more stinker modes.

They also talked about why the cyborg mode was left out... They just ran out of time basically. So that's probably what will be added back in... If anything... And if it gets remade...

And to ccbiggsoo7... Yes, I have played an Arabian Nights in person. Only one time though and for about 4-6 games at most.
I have it on pinball arcade on the PS4 and I really enjoy playing it. Yes, its simple and I've beaten the game many times. Or completed the modes and wizard modes many times.
But, I love the look of the game. Love the call outs, as I there just aren't enough female callout pinball machines. Also, I like the fact that it tells a story. Easy... Maybe... But, why does a pin have to be hard. Sprinkle hard and easy ones in your collection and that way you can have the best of both worlds. I really love the animations. . Its like a Ray Harryhausen pin come to life. And don't think that he wasn't an influence on that game. He totally was. From cyclopes to skeletons, and more... In fact I think Harryhausen has a few pins that were influenced by him. Of course Sinbad as its based on one of his movies.
But, also I think the Backglass to 4 million bc is based on one of his stop motion dino fights... Could be mistaken... Looks a lot like a scene from one of his movies. And I hope to own those two games one day too... When I move into my new house.

Have to be, and able to do it for that. Is sadly far apart.

Do something about the alphanumeric to LCD. Different size playfield. Lots of mechs.

Don't get me wrong. I'd like to see a new one. I just don't think it could even be done for their current pricing.

LTG : )

Yeah, I don't think a remake of it will happen. Too costly to produce for them. And also look at where the demand is for a funhouse.
I think an Addam's Family is more likely to happen. I think they want to target the pins that sell for 6-9k regularly. Which is fine.

The Cowboys and Aliens Video Mode in Continued for CC is pretty good. It is really a video that works with the game play. You shoot down the saucers by hitting the highlighted ramps. It is very cool. Unfortunately I have to watch the video when someone else is playing but you can still play out the mode by shooting the ramps it wants you to shoot and get a glimpse of the saucers blowing up out of the corner of your eye. You also get the great AFM callouts during the mode. Once the saucers are destroyed the Aliens pop up out of the Play Field and you have to gun em down. Lots of great action with the AFM alien call outs.

I don't know if that logic holds fully... Only because most people are buying games that are really overpriced in the collectors market and will never have a chance to play.
It's true Addam's Family is a pricey game. I think 5.5-8.5k is the range I notice it being tossed around at. Which certainly fits the value range for CGC remake criteria.
But, Attack from Mars, MM, and Monster Bash all sold around 3-5k sales... Not bad selling games. As anything around 4k was a good run. And around the 3-4k mark the designers would start getting bonuses for every machine sold.
The reason why I bring up sales is, less sales, less machine around to be sold and played. Hence why I think these games are selling really good. For some strange reason they weren't big hits in the 90s while other pins were, but they were always well regarded and liked... Popularity can be a fickle thing.
So, while I know I would be open to a new CGC remake of Addam's family and most people would... I'm not certain it would be their best seller. I think too many originals are still out there. It would be a good seller, and I think of course they'd sell out of their LE's.

Personally... I really hope CGC doesn't start making original games. I hope they continue with the remakes... As I think there is less risk involved, and I know there are still so many quality games for them to put out. and if they put out one a year or even two a year... That means they have enough pins for the next 10-15 years... Provided this hobby doesn't crater... But, I don't think its going anywhere. I think it survived the salad days, and will survive them again.

You could still use a large lcd display for FH and just emulate the alpha-numberic displays. Improvements could be made to dress up the crude animations but granted it wouldn't look as sharp as updated dmd graphics. FH is a WPC game so doesn't seem like it would be that much of a stretch to reproduce one for the most part. Original theme so licensing would be easy as well.

TZ would be cool but imagine that would be more tricky with license and complexity of playfield. Same for TAF. TAF not as complex but get the impression licensing would be difficult. Both of these games will have a big market, though. I already have TZ but a new TAF would be very tempting.

I would love an addams with the original t.v. show graphics. Been saying this for months and stern goes and does it with munsters.

My main point is there are many more Addam's around then there are MB, MM, AFM around. You could combine their production runs and they still would be like 8,000 units less...
So I think that might put a little damper on the amount of people who want a remake.
It's a great game. No doubt about that. And I agree a remake would be most welcome. I don't know if the animations of addams family really would matter to be redone or not. Sure they'd look better. But, that game had ho-hum animations at best. Great sound and callouts.

Now the question to be had... Would all the units get the topper? Or would they limit the topper to just LE? Or would they make a general topper and then make a really cool tweak for the LE???
Anyway... Yes, it would be cool for them to remake Addam's... But, I would prefer some of the rarer games to be remade first, and an Adam's to be more down the road... And I rather an Indy remade than Addam's... But, don't get me wrong. I totally want an Addam's and to be able to get a NIB one, would be amazing.

I am from the chicago area... So I could always vote more than once. It is the Chicago way...

Whats going on this weekend?

so what is it going to be?

I am thinking #5 is White Water! Been seeing a lot of them for sale. Really nice examples are going for in and around 8k now.

With the rumors that CC is on deck, I hope this is the order they're coming, which would make BBB next after that.

Any further rumors on this? Curious as to what is coming next?...

I don’t understand why BBB gets mentioned as a possible CGC remake. I’m sure I don’t understand the ins and outs of all of the licensing. But it seems kind of apparent they only have the rights to make Bally/Williams games. If they had the rights to make Capcom games wouldn’t they have done BBB already? And why would they let another company remake Kingpin? Those are two super obvious candidates for remakes based on rarity and second hand selling prices. You don’t just skip over BBB and then let another company remake Kingpin if you have the rights to make them. It doesn’t make sense to me.

CGC doesn't have any rights.

Their partner in the remakes is PPS, who has the rights to the Williams license. Coincidentally PPS also has Capcom pinball license rights.

LTG : )

Maybe Circus Maximus made a deal with PPS ? They are already working with PPS on the Pinball Circus machine project.

If it gets Kingpin made, or made sooner. Why not skip over BBB ?

LTG : )

Gene with Illinois Pinball ? Which PPS bought the rights to in the bankruptcy auction. So PPS either got it then, or since then. Probably not all that hard to get.

LTG : )

They own Williams.

They sell license rights to companies to produce Williams products.

LTG : )

CC is the worst theme they could choose IMO, for multitude of reasons. Any B/W title would be preferable to CC for me. WAY overated Theme (and game), for my 2 bobs worth. Not "family friendly" ("Shoot the Bad Guy"? etc.). Cost of game will rise way too much due to amount of work needing to be put into it.

Makes more sense for them to take on building next run of Aliens! Lol (that is economicaly a basket case for them to take on as well).

Whitewater would have to be one of their best options I think. Fantastic unlicenced theme!

You still need to deal with the Williams license.

LTG : )

Strong sources say CCR

I heard BBB

I've heard from a few different sources that it will be CCr in November.

I have a CC, original game and it definitely needs continued software and more. I welcome the new version/ remake if it happens. I upgraded my AFM, MB but kept my original MM. I love the CGC pins . But a BBBR LE with a topper, neon powder coating etc could be crazy cool

I think the next game has more guessing going on then previous