Quoted from Robertstone0407:
At this point its starting to give me vibes that it might be a game with issues and could be risk. I love my AFMR but with plenty of options im not going to sit around idle and start selling games to buy this. If they added something it maybe unreliable or they are having some sort of quality issue. Ill continue to monitor but im not going to be first in line to buy. Considering they mass produced a game with a bad driver board that the consumer had to address and really didnt seek out the owners to get. The made it a hassle to go through a dealer to get a chip
We got the chip directly from CGC because Gameroom Guys were dicks about it since we were the second owner and they were too dim to grasp that a manufacturing error that could literally break the machine should be covered for all machines in the field. They're also the jokers that sent me a cleaning sheet for a bill acceptor instead of the wiring harness I ordered. Morons, clearly, IMO
So +1 for Doug and CGC on taking care of us on that front. Credit where credit is due.
Quoted from rubberducks:
Their reason for denying Farsight a license extension (at any cost) has to be to do with wanting the whole pie, and / or controlling their IP much more tightly - which would make sense if they intend to either take control of or make more cash out of the physical stuff.
I thought the license denial was because they had put it on an additional platform they didn't have a license for without permission, so the whole license was pulled.
Quoted from Paul_from_Gilroy:
Here's a far-fetched theory. Or is it? We know that Arcooda is building full-size virtual pinball machines. Google it. I think they're based in Hong Kong. The machines look pretty amazing, with solenoids, shakers, powered subs, 4K graphics, etc. They will soon begin shipping their machines to Chicago (if you're in the US and you order a machine directly from them, it will ship to Chicago). They expect to start shipping in October... and Expo is in October. According to their web site, if you buy directly from them before June 30, the Pinball Arcade tables (cabinet version) are included for free... so that means you get virtual Monster Bash plus 75 other tables. Now put the pieces together. Is it possible that Arcooda is building virtual pinball machines for a certain gaming company in Chicago? Could that be the Game #3 announcement? Is it just a coincidence? You be the judge.
Sure hope that's not the plan. At pinball shows I've been to, the video pinball machines get very little play. No thanks.
Quoted from TechnicalSteam:
What games have the most commercial viability these days.
They've already said they are considering some of these .
Monster Bash - ( Speculation is next )
Cactus Canyon ( Will this really sell - the game is well . meh )
Tales of Arabian Nights -
Cirque Voltaire- ( Possible Viable ?
Theatre of Magic - ( Possible Viable ?
Big Bang Bar-
CFTBL ( Possible Viable ?
Funhouse ( Possible Viable ?
BOP ( Possible Viable ?
The Adams Family ( Probably impossible to happen )
Medieval Madness (Done)
Attack From Mars (Done)
Someone else is doing Kingpin already.
Twilight Zone should be on that list, too. A remake with a great topper, wide color screen and the "lost" magnet installed should sell very well.
How many of those games have the lost magnet mod? Like 1%? 2%? It's a cool feature that would likely sell machines to people that already have them when paired with a much larger screen and cool AfM-like topper. Pretty sure CBS owns all the points of the original show, so licensing should not be that bad. Maybe expensive, but not complicated.
I don't think the BOM is much different than WoZ, Hobbit, Dialed In, and jjPotC. Probably less, in fact. It seemed to be packed for its time, but that's only relative to what came out at the same time.
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:
Did that happen on that awesome planked playfield or was that an afterthought?
Nope. The custom planked PF is a CD still.
It would be AWESOME if CGC ended up using this playfield instead as it's way better, but that will never happen.
Quoted from LTG:
I don't know the specifics. But people in the factory are blown away with it and I've never seen the excitement level before with what is going on.
We shall soon know. I know I'm looking forward to pics/videos/games.
LTG : )
I hope they got into the code for this one for some upgrayedds. The original was way too easy. Boring, even.
Quoted from slcorrado:
I’ve read this thread and others, but haven’t found recent knowledge/opinions on whether the CD image will continue to corrupt the playfield.
I’m in regardless, but inclusion would take MBr from an 11 to an 8 For me. It’s the details...
The playfields in the background of some pictures recently still had the CD.
Quoted from LTG:
Besides 20 years newer parts. nothing we know of, yet.
Depending on model, a chance we may see shaker motor integrated with game play, better audio, speaker lights, bigger display, mirror blades, kick ass topper. And maybe more.
All depends on which model you buy, and if there are any surprises.
LTG : )
I guess real plasma balls in the mad-scientist area of the PF this time would be a little too much for UL to have swallowed...
Quoted from gunstarhero:
Yeah but that’s exactly my point, code won’t make the game harder, and even if you remove posts and what not that’s just how MB plays. Plus no one was calling for new code on MM or AFM, and those are games Lyman did before MB.
Cool game for sure tho. Can’t wait to see the remake. I think the new display graphics will be worth the price of admission.
I don't think it needs to be harder, just some more candy and side objectives would be cool so it's not so boring. I don't mind easy if I'm entertained.
Quoted from BagAJellyDonuts:
Could it be that the game arrives with the playfield "planked" as was done on a one off restoration?
Man, if they adopted the fantastic "planked" playfield design with the cool re-worked plastic on the right, it immediately goes from "maybe" to "definitely" for me. Probably the only thing that could do that. But the test PFs in the background of some pics earlier in the year were the original PF...so...
Quoted from Yelobird:
If maybe means dream then sure. Everyone needs to think almost stock original then everyone will be happy when it arrives. I fear with this massive delay people are starting to envision major changes or colossal upgrades. Very nice improvements but dream smaller...
If it's stock-ish with a bigger screen and a topper, it will probably be "no" for me since I think the original is boring. Beautiful, but boring. I was hoping CGC was doing more with this very long delay. If not, I'll look to the next one.
Easy rules = boring. But if you have a bunch of noobs to please, that's great. But they'd probably be just as happy with a much cheaper pin if they just want to slap the ball around.
Quoted from Graysonsdad:
You're in a Monster Bash thread talking about easy rule sets equating to lack of fun? Mb is one of my favorites but it is also super easy to pick up and play. I think maybe a genie harmed you as a child or you have something against blue people. Do you know Tobias? Is he boring as well? All blue people are boring you say? That's just racist
Oh, no, I agree that Monster Bash is boring as well, and have gone on record that the remake is on my "maybe" (depending on how they enhance it) not my "yes" list for that very reason. But TotAN is even more boring IMO. Pretty sure market pricing bears that out.
Quoted from PtownPin:
I tend to agree there is really is no value to the LE's. The only reason I purchased is because I liked the topper and the green trim. I guess the extended warranty had some value, but not sure exactly how much?
The interactive AfMr LE topper is one of the best if not THE best ever done, and adds value to the machine because it improves the overall *experience* of playing the game. Batman'66 might take the crown if they ever get around to taking advantage of all that stuff they put IN it that is currently doing nothing.
Quoted from Yoko2una:
Oh, it’s an 11:30pm boom alright. Also... photos copied to phone before they get removed so I can show the GF in the morning.
Interesting that they have the entire CGC logo illuminated under the screen. Wonder if that’s permanent or because they can’t put the Williams logo there until licensor approves.
Will be interesting to see topper in action.
That little area with the logo is configurable on AfMr. You can put whatever you want in there.
Also the simulated plasma thing in the upper left of the playfield is probably these (or something very much like it):
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:
I don’t begrudge anyone that likes toppers, but I do think that anyone that decides on whether a game is good or not (or let’s that impact their buying decision) is because of the topper, they aren’t really in it for the pinball. I have a FT with the topper. The effects are really cool. It’s well done and well integrated, but if it was gone it wouldn’t change my opinion of FT one bit.
Fish Tales topper is SUPER ANNOYING. I unplug it. Can't stand the constant flopping.
AfMr is the first topper that really made a difference in the game experience, IMO. It's so well done, and the interactive nature is awesome.
Whirlwind is a better concept than execution. If the fan had more CFM it would be better, but the integration with the game is very, very good. Whitewater's topper is pretty. Too bad no one has made a functional repro that works as well as the original.
Quoted from elf70:
I believe I remember hearing a while back about a "something else" upcoming as well that everyone would want... I wonder if it is perhaps Arcade game related?
Dunno, but it sounds like it's not going to be here because I doubt they're getting approvals on the weekend from Williams.
Yeah, the ones that would actually be desirable are hard. A brand new Indy remake with the giant color screen, lost plastic, and a great topper would be interesting to me, even at their current Chicago Gaming pricing. Likewise a brand new TZ remake with the usual Chicago Gaming upgrades and the lost magnet pre-installed and active in the game software would be very interesting, too.
I was more excited about Kingpin than BBB until they made what I consider really bad choices for the Kingpin remake's screen. I have pretty low interest in Cactus Canyon based on the released game and the supposed fact that they will not do Cactus Canyon Continued.
It's a much tougher road map after Monster Bash remake for Chicago Gaming, IMO.
Quoted from DS_Nadine:
"What if" the licensing issues are not what we think about but having to redesign George Gomez mechs? They're not neccessarily part of the contract and it would be in Sterns interrest to block that.
It would at least explain how the game would've been ready in march but went silent (went back to the drawing board?) and having to playtest it.
Adding back the jump ramp would be pretty cool.
Quoted from Yelobird:
But they didn't. Also I doubt this is a mech design delay as the games were done. This is someone sitting on a license signature taking their time then the games will flood open.
This is the first confirmation I've heard that they didn't do it. That sucks. NEXT!
Quoted from KozMckPinball:
Wants and predictions for the MBr remake features made a few months ago. Some did ask for a plasma effect:
That plasma disc is just a $5 LED toy with an upgraded detailed ring to enhance the effect.
Quoted from KozMckPinball:
I'm sure there's some wiring and coding involved in it's functionality as well. Anyway it's just an LE feature.
We'll see, but it's a simple toy, and I seriously doubt they customized it. On/off and some reactivity to maybe intensity input is the most I expect.
Quoted from knobstone:
Not surprising, but I have noticed there has not been any recent posts for Team Mafia's pinball game. There are also no distributor ads for this machine on Pinside. Has to be a hard sell for $7500, especially when compared to other new games. This game should be categorized as "homebrew" and adjusted price. But I doubt anyone cares.
PinballStar had an ad and some posts up.
Quoted from dawasa:
Do any of the previous Remakes have playfield dimpling problems where you can see the balls indenting the playfield?
Yes, and MMr has chipping on some of the playfields. But in general CGC seems to be paying for harder wood and not the deep-crater super dimple wood Stern has resorted to using on the majority of their recent machines (with occasional exceptions like Aerosmith). Chipping aside, I'd say their PFs are at the mid-high end of good.
Quoted from PtownPin:
I hear ya....although its pretty easy to talk yourself into the LE if you like the shaker, blue trim, topper, plasma disc, mirrored blades, stainless plaque on the lockdown bar, and mirrored blades....clearly the value of adding these is more than the $700 ... if these are things you would never add than its an easy decision
Kind of a bummer they went with mirror blades rather than art blades, or at least the option of art blades.
Quoted from pinballonthemark:
The machine not only shakes, but it is similar to force-feedback when you hit the monsters with the ball. It is amazing and at different intensities.
Force feedback controllers are just multiple mini shaker motors. The technology is essentially the same.
Quoted from pinballonthemark:
Thanks for that info. That's what it feels like. A giant game controller that rumbles when the ball makes impact. Different than what it feels like on a typical rumbler on a pinball machine. It works really well.
They're likely just pulsing the shaker motor length and intensity at a finer resolution than the usual on/off of other pins. I'll check it out when I get my hands on one.
Quoted from not4tilts:
What is under the hood? I haven't seen any pictures (and didn't see inside at the show) . I had to power cycle the MBr because the guy before me left a four player game and I didn't want to look like a jerk sitting there playing it. It took time to boot up.
I seem to remember MMr had a very large circuit board under the playfield. Are there boards that are interchangeable with MMr and AFMr?
I assume that the people that are "all in" have a good understanding of this. Just curious. I don't have any experience with MMr or AFMr.
Check the topic index at the top of each page, there's a key post listed that links to the post with the under playfield pics.
Quoted from Diospinball:
Okay... So I am thinking about getting an LE... Its just gorgeous and plays amazing. I played it at the expo for like 50 plays... I put up a few decent scores on it... Here is my question to people though...
Is this game deep enough for a home use game. My fear is that it isn't. Now I played this and I played Deadpool. I liked this a hell of a lot better than deadpool. In fact this was one of my favorite games that I played at the expo, if not my most favorite one. Love Attack from Mars and I plan on getting that at one point too.
Didn't care too much for the hobbit, and while I thought JJ Pirates was an amazing game. That game's theme is just does nothing for me. And the amount of moving parts on it scares the hell out of me, and my 100 year old floors.
So, I know I'll have a great time with this machine. It looks amazing. Plays amazing.
But, how long till I get bored of it and move on. My friend made Monster Bash mode on the weekend and I think if I played more by myself and not 2 player games I could have done so too... I stink generally when taking turns.
So how well do you guys think this will hold up in a household collection?
MBr is the weakest of the three CGC so far for home use IMO. It's just really, really easy. As long as you know that, it's hard to deny it's an attractive package.
Quoted from hollywood:
Maybe that is a good pin then for a young/inexperienced family? I am trying to get my kids into pinball and ACDC and METLE are not helping. I think this will be a super kid friendly game right? They love my MMRLE, so this one is sure to be a hit with the entire family I am sure.
Maybe. Depends on what the kids are into. If you're trying to get something the kids like a pinball show really is the best bet rather than making $8000 guesses and having to do it again when they don't like it. Let them play a bunch of pins and see what they gravitate to.
Quoted from Zavadoza:
These protectors were mangled after one day at expo. Someone pointed it out to me. I’m in on an LE, but just wanted to mention that you will want to get a proper Cliffs protector.
It's ridiculous that CGC doesn't just save everyone the time and trouble and just ship with REAL CLIFFIES on the LE, at least. Make the LE an actually premium product all the way around. It would also be a great bullet point for their marketing.
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