I wouldn't pay 5k for those titles, and I like them, but plenty would

Sure, pump some more supply out there and drop the price of originals. I'm all for it. Worked for MM and AFM.

It’d cost the same to make a Taxi/Pinbot/HS as it does to make an AFM ....

Same cabinet cost
Same playfield cost
Same CGC boards cost
Same labour cost ...

I do like the “purple eggplant” reference though.

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They wouldn’t be any cheaper than AFM so you need to ask yourself if you’d pay 6,000-6,500 for one of them.

The thought is nice, but the price is not...

I could see a fairly simple game at 5k price point but anything with a bunch of unique toys and mechs and that number goes right out the window.

The price of Fathom is bonkers. That title could possibly be remade at a $5k price point since the BOM probably wouldn't be too high.

But they aren’t going to do it. They are going to keep making games that will sell for the 6k plus price point. Best ones to pick are the games that are currently selling for that amount or more used.

I think it’s Cactus canyon.

We did a poll recently to see if people would buy a CGC getaway at their current pricing. It didn’t go well for Whodey. Haha

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/would-you-buy-a-cgc-remake-of-high-speed-the-getaway#post-5726613

Imo these remakes don’t work unless it’s for games that are already selling at those prices or more.

So maybe Fathom? Maybe Centaur? Maybe quicksilver? Maybe star gazer? But I think they’d still be a tough sell. These didn’t sell well when new and wouldn’t sell well now imo. Unless they were under 5k, which ain’t happening.

Seawitch.

Technically it's from 1979 but Hercules could be a good one.

From what I've heard, Hercules wasn't even a 'good one' in 1979.

-Hans

Personally, I'd rather see NEW original ideas in the same vein of those great sci fi and space themes from the late 70s and 80s. How about some demand for new classics? I wouldn't even mind if they did some unofficial sequels with some throwback artwork and sounds.

On a side note, I'd love to see a run of machines where atleast 1 of every back to back theme produced isnt some commercial crap.

How about we stop recycling themes and quit digging thru the rock band and movie bucket and start getting back to conjuring up some epic original shit, just like those classic solid states that have been mentioned.

Gameplan LochNess

Fail to see why you think production costs would be 2-4K lower for one of these games than one of the 90s classics they remade. This model only works if you think people will lay out 6500 (or more, since there would doubtless be additional R/D costs to repro a different cab and whatever else is required to make a new early system 11 game) for a high speed.

It's been mentioned in the past. At some point we'll see original titles. Don't know if it will be during the remakes or after. But they are planned.

LTG : )

Agreed, but even so its still not worth it to CGC.

You need a game that is already worth about what you would sell a new one for. You also need a game that is going to sell numbers. Low production games worth 6k aren't going to sell in large volumes new for 6k.

For a system 11 that leaves banzai run, but its relatively low production. Its also sporting a unique upper cabinet which increases cost. It isn't worth it to remake nor are any of the other system 11s. They are great games, just not valued high enough to justify a remake.

I just hope they're smoking lots of weed.

To be able to own the older titles, in brand new condition, and to have new parts available?

Sign me up.

There would be a market for
The top system 11 titles...banzai, wwind, Elvira....the question of course is why bother with those when there’s still plenty of WPC games?

The answer is there’s no good reason to do it.

WHy would it cost them $1000 less to make a High SPeed than Monster Bash?

Just doesn't make any sense.

You know they'd have to design/ build a new (larger and heavier) cabinet, right?

In addition, Lemme let ya in on a little secret: drop target banks on games like Centaur or the Stern classics or any other game cost more than ramps. Siren assemblies cost more than ramps. A mirrored backglass costs more than a ramp. 5 LED displays (a mix of numeric and alphanumeric) is gonna cost as much or more than a DMD-sized LCD screen in 2020. Also most mid 80s and on games like High Speed also have ramps.

Everybody always wants a "retro repro" for less money, but they don't want to explain where the savings are going to come from. A game isn't gonna magically cost less to produce and design simply because it's based on a 10-year older game, or has fewer ramps and more drop targets.

So the question you have to ask yourself isn't are you gonna be happy to $5k for a new High SPeed game, it's would you be happy to pay $6K (or realistically, more) for one.

Well would ya, punk?!

I played one up in the cities, and apart from the novelty, it wasn't much fun to play at all. The skee-ball pinballs were ridiculous and it's crazy huge, but it wasn't very fun to flip whatsoever.

Since I already found a nice Radical!, there is no way in hell they should remake that 1990 gem even if they only made a little over 1300 units and the price for a good one is steadily on the rise.

The way I see it, what collectors of the pinside top 20 list don't know, won't hurt them.

And IMO, this is a top System 11 game. For me, the top.

There is a market, but too few people will pay 5-6k for a new eatpm when a nice original can be had for less than 4. Same with the others. If there were more Banzai Runs it wouldn't be worth what it is. Part of its value is based on its rarity.

Id rather buy a project and speed alot less and have the same thing. Majority of the parts are being remade plus you have the satisfaction of doing it yourself.

These are the only two right now that could be done with a lower boom and sell enough in volume at $5k to do right now.

We know one in particular Punchy The Clown.

Fathom has more BOM than AFM. So it will be 7k. Still in?

$4999 for a game these days is gonna get you Thunder birds period. Good ole days are over

You must be mistaken. Afm has 2.5 ramps and we all know that costs way more than 4 giant drop target banks.

Nothing in the world costs more than ramps. Whole nations have gone broke trying to procure chintzy plastic pinball Ramps.

My gift to the OP.

If Thunderbirds can be sold for $4999 then a considerably simpler pin like Fathom could be made at the same price point... or less.

And I would imagine the IP cost would be cheaper since you are not licensing some TV show.

Same quality ? As good as Thunderbirds ?

LTG : )

I think you are missing the point here.

That game is made out of mostly plastic and balsa wood, and nobody bought it. Maybe you should give it a whirl though it's currently going for about $83 at Big Lots and it's way more awesome and complicated than Fathom.

It's got ramps!!

The inline target bank in Fathom has a higher bill of materials than the entire thunderbirds playfield. And cabinet. And design budget. And license.

Calling it the Yugo of pinball machines insults the Yugo, and in fact all of Eastern Europe. And you don’t want to insult those guys.

Whaaaaa?

And just in case it doesn't, both of them for sure do.
Or the other 3 bank...and 6 bank etc etc

What on earth are you talking about? Please explain why you think it would cost less to remake a fathom than thunderbirds?

The drop target banks alone would be more Th an thunderbirds. Haha

And nobody in todays market is paying 4999 for a thunderbirds.

I hope not. They made 5 of them. Pretty easy to QC those massive production numbers.

Really shows you how insignificant playfield blistering is. Nobody actually cares about that stuff they just thing they do.

Fun thoughts, but don’t start suggesting CGC go mono target vs drops to remake these classics!!!

Wasn't the recent Star Wars home model well received? Seems it was around that price point. Do the older titles but downsize,

So....how much for a new Haunted House or Black Hole....asking for a friend.