(Topic ID: 78330)

CFTBL flipper coils overheating

By rygar

10 years ago


Topic Heartbeat

Topic Stats

  • 77 posts
  • 22 Pinsiders participating
  • Latest reply 1 year ago by Ernie368
  • Topic is favorited by 8 Pinsiders

You

Linked Games

Topic Gallery

View topic image gallery

right_coil.jpg
coil.jpg
20140124_235653.jpg
20140124_235554.jpg

You're currently viewing posts by Pinsider scott_freeman.
Click here to go back to viewing the entire thread.

#24 10 years ago

how are the switches in test mode?
maybe you have some AC leakage across the circuits, giving you momentary open circuits?

set your DMM to AC, and check the critical DC circuits.

one other question, do the coils get hot with zero play after 10 minutes, or only with game play?

If the coils are fine without play, I would focus on binding.

#34 10 years ago
Quoted from rygar:

Both flipper coils are overheating in my CFTBL. I have done the following things:
- replaced both coils with brand new ones,- swapped fliptronic board with working fliptronic board from my roadshow,- swapped flipper opto boards with working ones from my White Water,- replaced both EOS switches (also tested the game without EOS switches),- replaced transformer.
The coils are still overheating and they get too hot to touch after 15 or 20 minutes of play.
Any ideas what other things should I try?

ok, this is a Hail Mary,

(sometimes called A-B-A testing too)

put the suspect parts in your road show, and see if the problem follows the parts.

To others,
Please note the part I quoted where OP pulled boards from the Road Show.
Where are these LM339's that you think are suspect?

#37 10 years ago

ok, since you swapped the fliptronics board, (thanks lloyd for confirming it has the LM339s'),
your swap rules out the LM339's, and the rest of that board.

Ok, I'm back at mechanical binding.

Care to swap one complete flipper assembly bewteen your two games?

If your heat issue follows the assembly, you know where to focus.

I'm still thinking binding.

just a reminder, both the coil stop, and the small bracket holding the coil, need to be seated squarely. (90 degrees to the axial line of the coil)

Don't let either bracket walk/turn while tighting down their fasteners.

#45 10 years ago
Quoted from rygar:

Swapped one assembly today and it is ok when installed in RS and the RS one is overheating in CFTBL.

ok, this should eliminate binding.

boards and LMM's were eliminated.

and the coils are cold when not played.

Now, I'm thinking your grounds are not good.
The problem needs to be with something that is common to the two flipper assemblies.

You should have zero voltage when measuring across your grounds.
Also, no AC ripple in the ground circuits (set DMM to ACC for this)

even more challenging, you need to measure across the grounds when the flippers are actuated.

oh, and just for the record, what version ROM are you running? (seeing if you have a prototype ROM)

#49 10 years ago
Quoted from yonkiman:

I just read through this thread quickly but don't recall seeing this mentioned - maybe you have the hold coil and the power coil reversed at the lugs. Take a photo of your coils as installed on your CFTBL, then measure the voltages on the 3 terminals of the coil with the flipper energized and let us know what the voltage on each terminal is with respect to the terminals shown in your photo.
This almost has to be the problem - it's the only way the game could be playable with a known good fliptronics board and still have coils overheating.

this is possible,
Keep in mind, he recently swapped the assembly from the road show, to the Creach.

I think this possibility can be tested in the flipper test menu (if this game has that)

I know in later produced WPC games, there is a flipper test that actuates each of the circuits (high left, low left, high right, and low right)

#64 10 years ago
Quoted from rygar:

Thank you for the suggestion. I will check it out.

building on the hertz question,
is your game a re-import?

might be worth verifying the voltage is set for US, and not for Japan.

I belive the Japan setting will run, but you get higher resultant voltages. If it is Japan, get it set right.

Promoted items from Pinside Marketplace and Pinside Shops!
€ 24.00
$ 329.99
Lighting - Other
Lighted Pinball Mods
 
$ 79.99
Cabinet - Armor And Blades
PinGraffix Pinside Shop
 
$ 15.00
Playfield - Decals
Metal-Mods
 
$ 49.99
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
Lighted Pinball Mods
 
$ 5.00
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
UpKick Pinball
 
$ 250.00
Lighting - Interactive
Professor Pinball
 
7,600
Machine - For Sale
Anaheim, CA
From: $ 17.99
Eproms
Matt's Basement Arcade
 
From: $ 33.00
Gameroom - Decorations
Rocket City Pinball
 
$ 69.99
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
Lighted Pinball Mods
 
$ 9.95
$ 10.00
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
UpKick Pinball
 
$ 549.00
Playfield - Other
Juz PINBALL Mods
 
€ 25.00
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
PPmods
 
$ 29.95
Lighting - Led
Mitchell Lighting
 
$ 27.95
$ 30.00
Playfield - Other
YouBentMyWookie
 
$ 1,059.00
Flipper Parts
Mircoplayfields
 
€ 24.50
Playfield - Decals
Pin-Decals
 
7,500
Machine - For Sale
Matthews, NC
From: $ 9.99
Eproms
Matt's Basement Arcade
 
8,000
Machine - For Sale
Portland, ME
$ 150.00
Lighting - Interactive
UpKick Pinball
 
€ 99.00
Lighting - Under Cabinet
Watssapen shop
 
$ 280.00
Playfield - Other
Avid Creations Wireforms
 
Trade
Machine - For Trade
East Rutherford, NJ

You're currently viewing posts by Pinsider scott_freeman.
Click here to go back to viewing the entire thread.

Reply

Wanna join the discussion? Please sign in to reply to this topic.

Hey there! Welcome to Pinside!

Donate to Pinside

Great to see you're enjoying Pinside! Did you know Pinside is able to run without any 3rd-party banners or ads, thanks to the support from our visitors? Please consider a donation to Pinside and get anext to your username to show for it! Or better yet, subscribe to Pinside+!


This page was printed from https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cftbl-flipper-coils-overheating?tu=scott_freeman and we tried optimising it for printing. Some page elements may have been deliberately hidden.

Scan the QR code on the left to jump to the URL this document was printed from.