Confirmed… by Kaneda… mmm-hmmm…

Needs a spinner

Did Knapp arcade confirm?

Kaneda aside, why?

Fathom was worth more money. Centaur is worth 5-6.5k. If you want a really nice restored example it will be well less than what a remake will cost.

While it still has a couple bugs, the 2.0 code on Fathom is awesome, and absolutely a different game. If Haggis is as thoughtful in creating a second Centaur game, it will be far more table than the equivalent of a high end resto.

Why what? Why am I questioning a Kaneda statement or why would Centaur be a logical choice?

New code would have to be something really special on order to warrant $10k for one. Like said before, a nice centaur can be had for half the price or less. Fathom way more rare. Price should be set accordingly in my opinion.

Gonna be a tough sell IMO. Unless you’ve been living under a rock through the whole fathom debacle, who’s giving out non refundable deposits for 2-3 years?

A restored Fathom and a restored Centaur were going and continue to go for roughly the same price, +/- say $1500. Don’t see a huge difference there. Also, when you are sitting in that 6-8k range for a restored game vs 10-12k for a brand new game… a whole lot of people are going to question which they really want.

Also… there is a WHOLE BUNCH of subjectivity with the term ‘good’ or ‘nice’ when it comes to restorations and what lives in that same gray area is about $2 to $6k.

A Fathom and Centaur restored may be asking the same price, but centaur is not getting it. Fathom rarely goes up for sale, and centaur not common but not rare. My buddy paid $3800 for a fathom that needed restored last year and had to get a nice original playfield. I could have gotten my buddies centaur that was in nice shape for $3500. He bought a centaur for $2500 and did a playfield swap. I wish I bought it

I would suggest your facts just don’t line up with reality. Even if you were to use only pinside for your data, go take a look at both games’ historical price and sale information.

In any case, both games had roughly 3500-3700 made. Their ‘rareness’ is also roughly equivalent. (And yes I do know there was a separate small run of shit cabinet Centaur II’s done… but we are talking about Centaur)

The most expensive part of remaking Centaur will be the ball launch unit under the shooter lane.

Be interesting to see if they bother with that or just make use of auto launch and pop the ball into the shooter lane. Was such an elaborate mech.

Can't you just use the BallPin account? Why always make a new one...

This is intriguing to me as Centaur is a wishlist game. I'm sure it will come down to price/wait time.

I've played the Haggis Fathom, so I have no doubt the quality will be there.

Why not Stargazer or Quicksilver? Platform is the same I’m sure.

I love Centaur more than Fathom but it’s not worth what NIB will be

But if they stick with Bally Centaur makes sense unless they do a non production game

The license they have is Bally. Getting early Sterns might be a tough one. But I agree there is some cool Stern Electronics games out there.

I love Centaur, but no way I'm going for a remake that has a plastic playfield. Just an immediate no, especially at the remake pricing levels.

I haven't had the opportunity to touch, feel and play their playfield product myself but I'm certainly open minded enough to do that before writing it off. The horror stories I'm seeing and hearing about Mirco and JJP playfields and my experiences with the Stern dimpling is certainly enough for me to want to embrace a newer technology. If it is anything at all like a "Hardtop" I would be entirely alright with it personally, I've played a couple of those and they look and play great.

On the classic Stern front... with the prices being paid for the likes of Quicksilver, Star Gazer and Catacomb to name a few, I think it would be worth exploring for Haggis. No matter how good the 2.0 code is I just don't see 250 people wanting to pay the premium for it for titles that can be had for fractions of what a remake would cost.

https://fb.watch/lAbeNBLH35/?mibextid=SDPelY

Turn the volume on for this one.

Stern dimpling is hit or miss, depending on the supplier. Some playfields are rock solid, others are craterville. I'm firmly in the wood playfield camp.

It's actually old, abandoned tech, resurrected. Been done in the distant past on a few machines, mostly 1970s (Sonic's Star Wars, Interflip's Alaska, etc). Didn't catch on.

But my preferences aside, I'm sure Haggis will find people willing to go for their plastic playfield Centaur. Just not me, which is sad because I'm a huge fan of the game and would love to have a 2.0 code option.

But how can you hammer your playfield with a hammer when you don't have a hammer-proof pinball playfield?!

I think some of you are kind of forgetting what pinball is all about: Hitting your playfield with a hammer.

Or in the case of Centaur (and maybe Judas Priest pin), a leather-studded chrome hammer.

Yup, I'm familiar with the technology for sure, but suspect it has changed a bit in 40 years, regardless, your taste is your taste, I get it. I look forward to playing a Fathom one day and seeing it in person.

Can't wait to hear Damian's voice on the new code- "Bad move human" and DESTROY CENTAUR!! -with an Australian accent!

If the cool ball launch is not utilized..." Bad Move Human"

It’ll be promoted as exclusive to the “Leather Edition” for 12 months then given to everyone.

Or perhaps (as previously alluded to by PinMonk ) the “Hell Bent for Leather” edition.

It wasn't given to anyone, they had to pay for it if they wanted the 2.0 code, other Mermaid exclusive features, as few as they were, remained withe Mermaid Edition.

Sorry, semantics. Will be sold as being exclusive to Leather Edition buyers in order to get their pre-order deposits, then it will be later also offered to Classic Edition buyers therefore no longer being exclusive to Leather Edition buyers.

Undecided on the blue. It’s not that pronounced on the original, right? Looks cool overall and hopefully everyone gets the class of 82 game(s) of their choice as a NIB option.

The irony of "Bad Move Human" cut out of the rails on the premium edition cannot be overstated. Almost $17k USD for the Orblivion edition makes it seem even more tacky.

Also, the topper game is weak.

$10k USD for the "normal" Beast edition checks the "expected price range" box.

Holy crap!

$15K AUD for the limited 250 run and $25K AUD for the limited 50 run! Lol! That is mind blowing!

I hope they hire a real voice actor for callouts on their updated code this time. And while they’re at it, hire one to redo their Fathom Revisited ones and then patch them in.

I think they’ve misjudged the Centaur market.

LE topper looks worse than the regular one.

Well, I'd been holding off on tracking down a centaur waiting for this. At that price, I think I'll just track down a nice one and a Medusa to go along side.

I agree.

But I think more and more people are looking for single level playfields. So maybe they're ahead of the curve.

Just what centaur needs… MORE multiballs and a shit ton of color-bombed light shows.

And LOL at the airbrushed jacket and motorcycle helmet. “Feel like a true pinball rockstar” bwahahahha

And the toppers. Dear God why.

I don’t get how they went from Fathom which was at least tastefully blinged out to this monstrosity. Oooooof.

I hope you’re right! That is one heck of a glass half full take, i like it

I don't trust that if I buy a 1 in 50 game now and pay up front, wait 2 years for delivery, that at that point they won't again announce that what I thought I was getting as a limited release actually will now be offered to others that want it.

The lack of attention to the style cues of the original machine and details on the remake (especially the Orblivion at $17k) are just crazy.

WHY are there stainless steel hex screws in the apron at the trim on the left and right side (in the middle AND the corners)? There was NO OTHER WAY to secure that apron? And even if there wasn't, they couldn't put a BLACK SCREW AND WASHER there so it doesn't stick out so hard? I mean, c'mon.

Also, that screen printed apron is boring and an explosion of design dissonance. Too many colors, too many fonts, too little thought. On the 17k machine I want something that makes me go "wow!" That apron should have been black grained leather with premium leather jacket-type stitching and chrome studs where the white dots are right now. The FAO and Haggis logos should have been embossed and/or embroidered in black or dark gray. Make me think $17k is a bargain.
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PinMonk , prototype!

I love it and should knock it out the park, thank god I don’t need a leather jacket and helmet
Go Haggis

That's a prototype I'm sure. The Fathom apron has polished stainless hex heads. The fonts and layout on the prototype Fathom apron were different than the final version too.

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But why? It's stupid that they have to be drilled in from the top at all. Put a threaded wing INSIDE the apron and secure the apron from the underside so the apron surface is CLEAN.

Looking at the original picture again, those are hex head screws already in the Centaur, just like Fathom. No improvement to the engineering at all between the machines.

Apparently not too far from the production Fathoms, which also break the surface of the apron in a low-rent, annoying way. They're asking $17k USD for this nonsense.

Chris at HEP has done some special CENTAURs that are way more cool-looking:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/hep-this-week-9-17-18/page/179#post-6193790

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/hep-this-week-9-17-18/page/91#post-5169664