I think it is fair to say any game done poorly will be a flop .

No way CCr will be a flop. They will sell out the LE's very quickly. It will be interesting to me how much code they add to the game. I think that may be a tell on their future plans. There are several B/W titles that are stunning games that with improved code will be hits for CGC. Imagine TOM, CV, TOTAN,CP, Who Dunn it, with more state of the art code. High Speed Getaway with updated code and music would be a winner as well.

Imagine Fun House with DOTs and updated code. Way too many non licensed titles that they can be creative with and do what they want.

I also agree with the CGC hi level of quality and customer service. I have a MB from them that is stunning and a real nice face lift to the original. I like the flipper feel on it as well .

Will be one of those situations where a collector pays a multiple of 1000 dollars for basically the interactive topper. If CGC is consistent with its approach to MBr, the differences tween SE and LE where topper, trim color, shaker, mirror blades and the plasma disk. The trim on the lock down bar also has the cool engraved plate. So one could upgrade their SE to an LE except the topper and the Topper and the lock down plate.

The big draw for me on this title is the enhanced code. A lot one could do with the play field above the original code. will be interesting to see how this turns out price wise.

So, I was lucky enough to be on two distributors final lists. I put my name on the lists in June/July I believe. Not sure exactly, but it was a few months ago. Took me about a second to decide NOT to get greedy and buy both games. Just notified Sara to take me off her list and got a super nice email back from her thanking me for notifying her accordingly.

Not sure why people think CGC will gouge price the Lyman update. They came in under every prediction I saw for final prices for CCr. I will guess 199 to 299 bucks for the update. Seems more in line to me for their type of pricing strategy assuming no extra hardware is needed. They do need to pay Lyman for his time .

Really!!

Two to three months ago when it was apparent that CCr was a reality I started calling around and put my name on lists. Had a pretty good idea what a CC would play like and loved my MBrLE. Nothing more than that. People have been doing that for years.
Not a single distributor I contacted knew who I was or asked to see a W2, bank statement or net worth calculation. I ended up getting notified by two distributors after LE announcement that I was on their lists after they knew their allotments. Told one I was good and the other to take me off their list so someone else could get one.
Had absolutely nothing to do with what you are saying

LOL, imagine what this whole CCr situation would have looked like if CGC re released an Addams Family version instead. The pinball community would just completely melt down if the LE model was a re do of the Addams Gold pin. Certificates and all .

There are clearly two sides here and if looked at objectively , both sides have a point when looking at the literature and Ryan talks.

Since Avatar LE by Stern was announced ,buyers have complained that the rules have changed after the fact and That they have been screwed. One can see multiple times where a manufacturer puts out a newer model with features not on the originals.

The Stern VE’s are one example, the multiple lives of WOZ is another. The recent Elvira release is another case in point. No one should be surprised that CGC reacted to the market demand. It has happened many times before.
The recent LE boom is a change in market conditions that was not present just like two years ago. LE prices on re sale were depreciating a bit. I was glad to break even on several of them. The manufacturers are seeing this change also and try to react like any business would to changing demand.

So at this point one needs to ask themselves as an LE buyer, if given the choice buy the LE or the SE plus for the same price, which would you purchase? Pretty sure it would be the LE in most cases I would bet. I feel that way anyhow .

Wow,

The dots look great, the gun metal trim is an outstanding selection and got to admit the wood apron is the boss.

So pumped.!!!

I have an MBr that sat in the box for a year or so prior to my opening it up. No dimpling. Maybe a cure issue?

Opened the game when I bought it. The game iwas actually dusty. Checked the build date and it was about one year prior to my opening it up. Must have sat somewhere over that time frame.

Thanks for posting. An interesting listen on how the game was developed over the last few years. It is cool to hear a true insider describe the process they were/are going through to develop this game then people who are drawing conclusions based on something they read on the internet.

I like the idea of tree trunk/branch/rich full foliage /leaves for the design code. I for one do not want CCr to be turned into a BM66 or an Elvira3 but rather the fullest version of the original design. It is cool to hear how much original material was available on the ROMs..

Thanks for posting! My takeaways

Ryan specifically said:

We will be able to access three codes in the game. 1) the original code from 1998. 2) the "enhanced code" , CGC developed for the upcoming release and eventually the optional Lyman code. All three codes will be selectable in the menu settings

He explained what CGC did to enhance/update the code for the upcoming release.

Lyman is on a contract for CCr only at this time. All parties will go from there as to future projects.

CGC now has 4 projects in the pipe line (now that CCR has been announced. A with will be adde to the pipeline.

As far as alternate trans lights it is a case by case/personal taste situation. I have them in TS,STTNG, ST and Brian's in White Water. For the record, I like all Brian's work, but his art does not fit for me in every head box situation. In the case of WW , for me, it works great. The trans light really pops and does not clash with the rest of the game. I did not get the ones for MM or AFM because for some reason they do not fit my eye in the head box.

His work on CCr is outstanding and if I had gotten the SE, it would be in my back box along with the side blades. World under glass. As I am lucky to have the LE coming, I will keep it original , I believe with the mirrored back glass (fingers crossed) it will stay that way. I could be tempted to buy Brian's CCr if it is available down the road however. I really like it!

Yes Virginia! It will be a Merry Christmas !

Saloon doors as well .