Quoted from PtownPin:My guess is your correct on Lyman code, but it won't sell well if its over priced....$200-300 yes....$500+ no

Quoted from Krupps4:

Maybe we should keep this a secret amongst ourselves? Not sure it makes sense to let CGC or any other manufacturer how much we are all willing I spend. If the price is high, we can then blame ourselves. At least in part.

Quoted from Krupps4:

It’s just one of those odd things in pinball where people seem to like to brag about how much they will spend whereas with pretty much any other hobby or purchasing environment the less you spend the better.
In the end, “they know” because we keep telling them.

Quoted from Rockbiter:

This conversation about backglass is awesome, but can we go back to the pineapples? Here's how to grow your own. Now you, too, can give someone else the gift of a home-grown pineapple! Randomly saw this article and my mind went back to this thread.
https://www.realsimple.com/home-organizing/gardening/indoor/how-to-grow-a-pineapple-houseplant
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Quoted from flynnibus:

Yet each is significantly different in player draw. The 'shoot 3 times' is just an example of the 'too much borrowed' aspect and that alone is not why the game is not as appreciated as its peers. We know the total packages differ even though they all share that same rules mechanic - but it does still group these games together. I'd probably rank it lower than Scared Stiff in its siblings. AFM > MM > MB > SS > CC

It's not completely irrelevant when they've already said they are building upon the existing game's concepts - not starting over with a blank slate.
The game's reputation is relevant because some people seem to be in some bizzaro world where CC was some diamond in the rough that was held back by its unfinished code. No - it wasn't. It was held back by its lack of success in creating that entertainment magic. It's a game that has held its status because of what happened to the project - not because it's some killer game.
CCr is already a much better package because of the fantastic work CGC did on the physical aspects of the game. The molds, the aprons, the lighting package, the well done display, and of course this new topper angle. But playing it is still the same old CC at this point which is pretty average. Which is why the Lyman code needs to be a killer app.

Quoted from flynnibus:

Or we could look at the last 25 years. Is it put on a pedestal compared to its peers? Nope.
Put it in collections surrounded by other great games and this one gets passed over once the novelty is gone. Observe it over and over at Papa, or in private collections.
I'm just surprised more of you old timers haven't spent more time with the game. It's not like it's been hidden away - it's common in most prominent collections and good virtual versions of it have been around for ages.

Quoted from flynnibus:

No, I was debunking the revisionist talk like 'few people have gotten to experience it' and talk about the incomplete code being why the game's reception has been what it has been for the last 25+ years. It's not some mythical mystery game people waiting to be unearthed. We know what it is.
Now what lyman will bring.. is TBD. Which is EXACTLY what I've said multiple times but people get so defensive they think I'm coming for their babies.

Quoted from sizzler747:

I heard Spooky pinball was doing this with the Halloween pinball. They didn't get some of the parts in time so they made the machines without them, shipped the machine to the customer, then when the parts came in they shipped those to the customer.

Quoted from V8haha:

So do we have an ETA for LEs yet?

Quoted from transprtr4u:

2023

Quoted from transprtr4u:

Sorry been spot on so far ...
Truth hurts ...

Quoted from PinballManiac40:

And making a prediction in Feb that no games will ship in 2023 is not weak sauce in itself? LOL

Quoted from Tommy-dog:

This 'person' is Kaneda and he rubs the wrong way most of the time. Kaneda is in the PR business and he likes the attention (good or bad but usually bad). Remember, Keneda, is the same person who has been kicked off Pinside and KLOV forums.

Quoted from Tommy-dog:

He (Kaneda/Chris Kooluris) was banned from the Challenger forums? I met the guy in person. Dodge Challenger is a manly man's vehicle. Kaneda/Chris is more of a Toyota Prius type of guy. Here is a picture of him.
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Quoted from PtownPin:

I hear ya, but at this rate u might have it in your house for a year

Quoted from John1210:

Definitely not an ideal situation you have there... I mean 2 of the same awesome games in each house. Can I ask how are you coping?

Quoted from Roostking:

Played cactus canyon remake yesterday. Pretty fun game couldn't hear the call outs but looked great. Got a couple of gold mine multi balls and scored a total of 61 million had a blast.

Quoted from NC_Pin:I am not disagreeing, but I think we can do both. CGC does read this thread, and a lack of noise should not be mistaken for acceptance.

Quoted from JohnTTwo:

I do currently 5 still on pallets.
Just broke a strap on a Zilla premium after it sat for months.
My Rush LE is one of them just got the scoop parts from Stern. Many reasons to have a game still on the pallet as a collector.