Quoted from J85M:

Stern only limited toppers with BM66LE & SLE something they have never done again since.
What I find weird about this CGC topper situation is they must have spent a lot of time coding in this shooting gallery feature, I just can’t see that being exclusive to the LE, whether SE owners get a slightly different topper it’s an odd choice to limit such an extensive feature.

Quoted from explosiveegg:

I honestly don't think there would be any legal ground for a law suit.
Within 10 minutes of CGC announcing the pricing of the different editions they said they are considering selling the topper later for SE owners. You can't really argue that CGC said the topper would be forever exclusive, just that it exclusively comes with LE (this statement still remains true if they sell the toppers later).
Essentially, what they have said is that the LE includes the topper and the SE does not. This statement does not indicate long term exclusivity in any way. Just simply, one comes with it and one does not.
They also said the LE will come with a shaker motor and the SE won't. Would people really be upset if CGC sold shaker motors for SE owners to upgrade their machines at a later date if they wanted to? It's the same concept.
In my eyes the limited/exclusive aspect of the LE is essentially that little plaque that says 'x of 1250' and other companies don't even really respect that anymore as they just create different types of limited editions now (look at 40th EHOH or Yellow Brick WOZ). It's also worth noting that it's not uncommon for companies to sell more LEs than standard editions. According to Jack, the standard editions of their games are legitimately more rare on some JJP games.
Coming from someone who did manage to get a pre-order for a CCR LE, I do hope they produce more toppers for the SE owners for the following reasons:
- The more toppers they build, the easier they will be to get a hold of if mine breaks out of the warranty period. There appears to be a decent amount of movement in these toppers and they seem bound to break after a long enough period of time.
- I prefer pinball machines that are decked out, the more fully featured CCRs in the wild, the better.
- It would have a negative impact on flippers. Flippers who buy a game, not to enjoy, but just to resell at a higher price are scum.

Quoted from paul_8788:

Talking class action lawsuit is stupid. Not having a clearly communicated decision on whether or not the topper will be exclusive, and if not how much it will cost, after working on this pin for several years is equally stupid.
More than enough stupid to go around.

Quoted from kapsreiter:

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Quoted from LTG:

No, they have an owner. Who is quite astute at running the company which includes video games, making cabinets, and playfields.
LTG : )

Quoted from Charlemagne1987:

This topper issue is a stupid thing to obsess over, and how long has it been going on? The last 4 or 5 pages of this thread? I'm in on an LE, already had my deposit accepted by Nevada Pinball (aka PPS), and I couldn't care less if they sell these toppers to SE buyers in the future. It doesn't have anything to do with me because I am buying this game for my family's enjoyment. I'm not a flipper. I buy games for their intended purpose. If an SE buyer can get one of these toppers down the line and use it to improve their game then I say great! I know I'm getting a great deal with the topper included in my purchase. That's good enough for me. If you want exclusivity, make your own one-and-done topper. Otherwise, let CGC make their money on these accessories so they will survive as a company well into the future and therefore, produce more games we want.

Quoted from tallkid84:

The major difference there is your pin is increasing in value due to the work you are directly putting into it, not by trying to make sure no one else can get something they want for their pin so yours stays more "exclusive" and increases in value. Again, I understand the arguments being made here at face value, and not saying they aren't valid to some extent. If the company said they were making 'x' number of LEs, and that was someone's main reason for buying it, I can see that person being upset. At the same time, I think people making those arguments need to check how their stance on this issue completely clashes with their stance on the other issues in the pin world I mentioned in my post. I think threatening to sue over it is a joke. I think some complaining didn't even order to begin with. I think many complaining still wouldn't cancel their order and "put their money where there mouth is". And most of all, I think there is a huge difference between someone's mindset who buys an LE because THEY want something special for THEMSELVES vs. someone who buys an LE because OTHER PEOPLE won't be able to get it and they can feel special. And you can see in the replies in this thread the former people who really don't care if they produce more, vs the latter who are throwing a fit. I think those latter people are likely crappy people in general, and it probably shows in other avenues of their life as well. They're basically fulfilling their ego by bringing others down, rather than just bringing themselves up. More of a general life philosophy then just pinball related.
Nor am I minimizing that pins are expensive and people should be proud/enjoy that fact and wish for them to maintain that value. It's obvious a majority of pin purchasers wind up having to sell old pins to finance their new ones because it is an expensive hobby. The fact is though, pins already do maintain their value. Used pins are selling for more than NIB of the same make and model just because supply is what it is vs. demand, not to mention long production times and people just not wanting to wait. It's a bogus argument based on a premise that isn't reflective of reality. And many making that argument openly acknowledge this in other threads like I pointed out. The "pin bubble bursting" threads alone show this numerous times. It's not so much an argument as veiled attempt to hide their selfishness or ulterior motives for their purchase other than for the enjoyment of the pin.
I appreciate your reply, and will agree reading a variety of opinions on any topic is a good thing. The more people voicing opinions, the more we can all learn. What I don't like are the amount of definitive statements like "this will bankrupt the company if they do this, they'll never recover!", the idle threats of lawsuits or "I'll never buy from them again!", and really most of all, the rampant hypocrisy. It's a drag man, and it feels more like Facebook then the Pinside msg board.

Quoted from Digduglus:

Rich guy problems, am I right?

Quoted from underlord:

Gzuz. Just enjoy your fruit Ice. Trick is to relax the sphincter…

Quoted from underlord:

Sexy sexy fruit baskets.

Quoted from explosiveegg:

I've been waiting for some of the older CGC remake games to drop in price for a little while now and those prices keep going up.
That is not to say they won't eventually drop in value, but you'll need a lot more patients than I have for that. I've also seen a lot of these games on location with perfect playfields. It would take real neglect to get these games to the point where the playfield needs replacing, I don't think you'll see many of those either.

Quoted from explosiveegg:

The playfield is peeling up? Or the cabinet? I've heard of cabinet issues on some of their first games, but I would expect that they've figured that out with their later games.

Quoted from Kungen:

Hey Doug
Sins we have you here explaining the playfields. How come that the Monsterbash playfield get so much dimplings and not the other remakes?

Quoted from Doug_Duba:

Ugh...lesson learned.

Quoted from cooked71:

Yo cowboys and cowgirls…..managed to get in on our distro’s CCR LE allocation at the last minute. Deposit paid!!!!
Better oil up the pineapples and sign up to the class action lawsuit…..got to stop these toppers being handed out like confetti to every schmuck SE buyer. I HAD TO WORK HARD FOR THIS LE SLOT!!!

Quoted from pinballinreno:

The news is about funhouse 2.0 today!

Quoted from Ruenin:

So, given that Elvira HOH is now pushed until at least Dec 2022, what are the odds I can get in on a CCr Special Edition Plus?

Quoted from underlord:

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Quoted from Pinbaltz:

CGC hasn’t laid this out clearly, but here is my current understanding:
There will be 3 different rule sets:
Original code: Included with all models - original rules from original release
Enhanced code: Included with all models - “finished” code as was originally intended (Bionic Bart, additional modes for completing 3x of each shot, etc.)
Lyman code: Additional cost - not much is known at this time. It will include new software, and could include new hardware, unknown when it will be available.

Quoted from explosiveegg:

I disagree with this statement.
The game will come with completed code and the original code. That is more than we are owed.
The option to essentially buy DLC in the form of new code is great and will just breathe more life into an old game. Nobody is going to force you to buy it.
I honestly wish more games had multiple code sets. It's kind of the Multimorphic P3 approach. One playfield does not need to be restricted to one code set.

Quoted from ClassicHornet:

FK it, I’m moving to Canadia, Sparwood / Whistler seems good ? And Pinny’s will be cheaper

Quoted from LTG:

Please don't be too hard on Ryan. That Expo presentation was on the fly. And he was dead tired from getting the game there and setting it up. They were literally setting it up going into the seminar. And his laptop wouldn't interface with the hotels equipment. He did the best anybody could.
And at the factory he is under a lot of pressure. Especially with suppliers. Not delivering on time. Not the correct parts. Or even disappearing.
There was a time during the shut down he was alone boxing up MMR Royals to ship.
He's only one guy and working miracles in these crazy times.
LTG : )