Sheeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttttt.

Right when I thought I was safe from spending money on pinball for a while, this happens.

I've owned a MMr and still proudly own my AFMr.

I honestly think CGC builds the best quality games in pinball overall. And they definitely have the best toppers in all of pinball (my AFMr topper is still impressive to this day).

MMr was my first game I ever owned, so I had nothing to compare it to. But now that I've owned game from pretty much all manufacturers, played them, worked on them, etc., I'd confidently say CGC is the best of the bunch.

I hope they've addressed the issues with clearcoat chipping on exposed edges, but aside from that, there is nothing I would pick at.

I love that they're always pushing to add cool things like the wide screen DMD, additional lights (AFM, MB) and more.

Looking forward to seeing what they have coming!

In my experience...

JJP had slow service, but had problematic games due to the huge amount of stuff they put in their games. When I bought Dialed In however, and had my issues, Jack personally called me and went way above and beyond to get me sorted out. Best experience I've had. But the company may have since changed.

Spooky has really friendly and quick service, but their product is cheap and uninspired. I know loads of fans will disagree, but aside from there playfields (which are definitely durable) the build quality of the games themselves are the worst I've ever seen. My TNA and R&M all sound hollow and clunky when they're played, and they put barely anything into the games. It's as though they just grab a few random parts of the shelves at Pinball Life and quickly whip a game together.

CGC was the best of both quality and service. They offered really good (not great) service, and I feel like the games are made exceptionally well, and have lots in them. Really good value IMO. My MMr was rock solid, and I still have my AFMr and have had almost no issues.

No need to mention Stern. We all know they just pump these titles put, but I will say, the Elwin games are an exception. I have owned them all so far, 2 are still here bolted to the floor, and I'll likely buy every game he put out because I know they'll be fun, challenging, and creative.

Just my thoughts...

I've played Houdini and Oktoberfest, but couldn't get past the terrible animations.

I'm hoping they develop more as a company, and become more of a competitor.

What I did appreciate, is how many things they put into the games.

Yeah, I was on the fence with this one. I put in about 20 games and knew for certain I was out.

The video modes were atrocious. Same on Oktoberfest.

If they get this part of their games improved, and they get some interesting licensing, I'd probably give them a shot.

They need a homerun like Rick & Morty. I own it, and it's only still here because of the theme. In my opinion, it feels like Scott Danesi designed this one while he was drunk.

Goodbye Halloween deposit... Hello Cactus Canyon!

CGC makes the best games in the industry. Look at all the amazing details like the wood apron, gorgeous screen, etc. I'd rather support them than penny pinching Charlie and gang.

I've had MMr and R&M and it's day and night. YMMV but in my experience, Spooky males shit games and cheaps out at every opportunity.

They cheaply 3D print everything, where CGC custom moulds.

Do you really think you can compare the quality of these two companies?

You know people, it's ok, actually really ok, to have an opinion about a product) company. It doesn't warrant anyone to support or object, it is just simply, an opinion.

My experience with Spooky after owning 2 games has been very negative, and that is mostly due to quality, not service. Their support has actually been great, but in my opinion the overall quality of their games is lacking.

I might buy a Honda and just absolutely not like it despite the fact that an astonishing number of people think they're great cars. That would solely and simply be my opinion and maybe not at all be in line with what you think/feel.

I owned a MMr, and I did have a few issues, bit nothing out of the pinball norm. My AFMr has been rock solid. But my R&M had every single issue that was ever posted in the forums and more.

So from that, and from my experience owning TNA for a year, I've decided not to do business with Spooky again.

If you decide to buy your games, that is fantastic. It keeps the hobby fresh and healthy, and the more competition there is, the more likely we are to get better quality games.

It's pinball everyone... It's a ball rolling around on a piece of wood with lights flashing to give us a break from the real things in life that we should get worked up about

As said, that's all good. We all love pinball, so great to support the hobby.

I'm in on a CC LE.

Anyone know if the LE comes with Invisi-glass?

Whoa... Hold up here!

Haven't looked at this thread in a couple of weeks, and come back to find out that it's toppers for all, backglass for more $$$, and a loyalty program to get me in line for LEs that are really all that special anymore?

What's going on!?!?!

I need to 3D print an mount that I can stick to my head that will keep my phone in front of my face day and night so I don't miss any of these crucial updates!

I don't blame them, but at the same token, I sort of bought into this one because the LE seemed "special". It's the same reason I bought the AFMr LE. And it's the game that has stuck around in my house the longest, and still love playing it!

Call me a sucker, but I justify the cost sometimes by thinking I'm getting something that might be a bit more rare and sought after. As a collector, that is part of the fun of the hobby.

If I was CGC, I would do the same. But as a consumer, this does not jive with me.

I feel like if we just roll over and take it, it's just going to continue to encourage this behaviour from companies.

It's very clear in the initial marketing of this game the topper was exclusive to the limited edition. For the company to be able to go back on their word just because they saw a potential for profit, leaves me feeling very uneasy.

Just expressing my concerns.

If you are not bothered by this, or missed the opportunity to get a limited edition and can now get a proper, I completely understand how this would come as good news.

In the grand scheme of things, this really isn't worth harping over. If it bothers me enough, I will vote with my wallet.