Remove leg leveler from leg. Remove nut from leg leveler. Screw leg leveler back into leg. Put nut on leg leveler inside of leg.

Gain an inch or two.

LTG : )

Yup, thanks. Saw your post a while back. That’s what I’m counting on. I’m just afraid there isn’t enough room for the arms to clear at their top point.

There is always this version......

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We've seen that arms aren't always needed . . .
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Did you get your cactus canyon already???

I'd love to hear why you dislike them. Debate is what a forum is all about.

Agree. You cant fix a bad layout.

I played CCr 2 weeks ago and it felt great! If you like hitting combos and that Bally Williams feel/quality, you will love it. The layout is much like MMr and AFM. Very satisfying.

Ill be adding real bullets casings to mine.

What is the status of the code upgrade?

It is just Pinball guys. Its a miracle this game is being built again. Toppers are cheesy IMO. No one looks up there while they are playing. He needs to make profit and selling toppers to collectors is good business.

Keep up the good work Doug. We appreciate you.

I just played CC at the pinball hall of fame in Vegas and I can scientifically confirm, that game doesn’t suck. Shoots like butter. Sweet combo flow. Sooo smooth. Rules seems fine but I didn’t have time to get too deep. The gunfights from the held ball to the random drop target is fun. This is going to be an awesome remake.

I love drop targets!

The gunfight is one of the most creative uses of drop targets ever. Probably my favorite feature of the game.

while golfing, bowling and scuba with the wife we discuss what pins i may buy. and go thru the coders for each pin to see what suits us best

Agree bout toppers, was close to just getting the SE and adding my own mirror blades and shaker motor; doubt I will install the topper on my LE or maybe install it for a few games & then it’s off and packed away

Toppers, side armor, extra toys, powder coating.. it's all pretty lame in the grand scheme of things. Pinball is pinball.

I'm happy I have a few "beaters" in my collection. Keeps me grounded.

I did buy IMDN LE though and added a digital topper to my DILE... so maybe I'm not as grounded as I think...

Agree with recent posters concerning toppers. I was debating whether to preorder SE or SE+... however, for me, I decided that no matter how well the topper was integrated with gameplay it just wasn't worth an extra $1250 for price of admission. But hey, pinball is a very individualistic hobby, so for those that are topper fans I'm sure you folks will enjoy it.

I bet that you keep your topper on for this one

I generally keep my top on, especially when frying bacon...

Just looking at the physical aspects of the game I was first drawn to the LE because of the gun metal powder coating, train tracks, mine cart, side art and the extended warranty. The topper will be nice to have for completeness and I’m glad I’ll have it but there’s a very good chance I won’t have the clearance for it.

I think most toppers we’ve seen since they’ve become a big thing in the last few years are gimmicky. Eye candy to help justify the price of a limited edition.

Toppers of old - PinBot, Whirlwind, Addams, Safe Cracker, etc. - had toppers that were integral to the theme even if they didn’t do much. The recent, Stern Batmobile fits in this group too. Cactus Canyon’s topper feels different as it is paradoxically both interactive and integral to the theme while at the same time totally unnecessary. I can easily see having/playing Cactus Canyon without the topper but can’t say the same thing about Whirlwind.

Ok so you can live without the shoot out on CCR... But you need a fan to blow on Whirlwind

You still have the shoot out without the topper. But you can’t feel the power of the wind without the fan.

Whirlwind topper may very well be my favorite! For some reason whenever that wind hits my face I can’t help but smile.

Will Cactus canyon topper be up ther with the greatest ? Or will it be a Big Flop ? Only time will tell; I’m staying open minded. One of my favourite toppers is the simple WH2O, which can’t be that simple because it can’t be perfectly recreated, I just love the water effect when it’s on in the game room in attract mode…so cool !

Have to agree
I would go as far as calling WH20 to date, the GOAT in the pinball topper world.

Definitely a great one.....although AFMRLE is right up there!

The newer interactive toppers definitely add to a game's appeal to me. As great as the Cactus Canyon topper looks I couldn't justify spending an extra 1k. I was lucky enough to get the BKSOR topper for $500 which is probably the most I'd consider spending on any topper. It is hands down the best topper I've ever seen in my opinion.

What happened to the video that ZMeny was teasing?

BKSOR is pretty cool. And like Cactus Canyon it really fits with the theme. But the days of $500 toppers are probably gone since Stern reset the bar with Elvira. $600 if it lights up, $1k if it moves.

Cactus Canyon is different because the player will actually interact with the topper but that comes at a pretty hefty premium.

and $1600 if it lights up AND moves!

Vegas is the reason why I am in on this game. It was awesome to play it a few times over the years at the PHOF it was always a highlight.

And that one is hardly playable! Wait till you get on a brand new one

It was playing really well back in October

I've put in for an LE, I understand the reason why CGC is making more toppers and I agree with them, I love a good topper. However, the whole purpose for getting an LE is that it comes certain exclusive features (not just artwork and a signature) that you can't get or replicate on other versions.

Look at the JJP Pirates line up...the CE is very different from the LE (middle line model); some people would probably debate me on this. I hope manufacturers understand this. I am a collector and try to get LE's when possible, don't know why I don't question it, and if I lose those items that make it exclusive then I'm out of the hobby of buying LE's. I feel, manufacturers need to make sure they maintain the LE's status by limiting the machines with better add-ons or features. This is easily accomplished by making the play field have certain interactive toys something that would require HEAVY modification to replicate on lower end models. So go ahead, make and sell as many toppers as you'd like, just make sure there are enough features left over to make a difference before you make that choice.

You could get the topper on MMR. I hope they sell the afm topper someday. I want it for my se. Why not make more money off these toppers. They will sell well.

My thoughts exactly. Come on CGC start rolling out those SEs!

The manufacturers aren’t going to make a high end model with significant unique playfield toys. Stern already does this by designing a Premium and the taking things out to come up with a Pro. The LE is just a Premium, some bling and a different art package; no exclusive playfield features. I don’t know JJP that well but I don’t remember playfield toys exclusive to the CE. To do what you’re advocating would require development costs to be spread over a relatively small number of units and may even require an additional playfield design.

The only thing on the LE that can’t reasonably be duplicated is the topper. But since you’re OK with the SE+ having the topper what does any of this have to do with Cactus Canyon?

Coma physical lock on the GNR CE is one at least… different playfield artwork and glitter ( I know those are not toys but they can’t be replicated

I personally hate this approach. By their very nature, limited editions will sell out before games even ship. Often they're accounted for before the games even are revealed! Hence, you're telling people, if you want a full featured game, you must preorder the game sight unseen. Preorders are bad for the consumer, as they're essentially a gamble. FFS, all the CEs of JJPs Toy Story are basically accounted for before they have even shown or announced the game... In my opinion, this is not a practice that is healthy for the consumer. And I'm not even touching on scalpers.

Ideally, as a consumer spending around $10k on these games, they should be able to play the game first, then make a decision on what version of the game they want based on what features they want in their game. LEs should primarily be cosmetic changes, like how Stern and CGC are approaching it. You shouldn't be punished for wanting to be a reasonably consumer and see/play a game before buying. CGC is also remaking games, adding a new mechanism would be frowned upon.

I hate the elitism in the pinball community. Why do so many people want things in their games purely for the fact that they know other people can't have them? Stop worrying about what other people have and enjoy your games for what they are...

I like GCGs approach to LEs, CCR is going to be my first LE. I got to play it at Expo and put in an order right then. In my eyes, they put enough extras in the LE to warrant the price. They're the only manufacturer that is actually doing this. I don't plan on reselling the game, so I'm not as concerned about the value it'll hold.

I know most will disagree, but I honestly wouldn't mind if CGC made more LEs available. I'm in it for the additions they added and not the scarcity. I hope they up their LE quantities on their next game.

Addams family Gold is to blame for the start of this mess

This x1000.

This is an industry wide problem and not CGC’s to solve but the concept of fixed limited editions needs to go. Anything over a few hundred isn’t “limited” anyway. But I don’t see how we will ever get back to allowing most people to see/play/evaluate the game before buying otherwise especially since there really isn’t any incentive for manufacturers to do so.

In the interim maybe we should just rename LEs to FOMOs

I blame Fire! Champagne Edition.

Let’s see some games on the line! Hype thread needs hype!

I blame Eight Ball Deluxe Limited Edition.

Like it's not only a Deluxe version, but it's also a Limited Edition... Williams knew what they were doing. /sarcasm

Probably a good example with the adding more functionality/gimmicks with the addition fire reel spinning

On the subject of LEs and Collectors, I run with a group of old school pinheads here in Knoxville, who own many machines in their own collections. And they personally laugh at the idea of someone who runs out and buys every LE offered calling themselves a collector. One of my friends said not too long ago: "you know what I can tell about someone whos collections consist entirely of brand new LE games? They have more money than sense". His words, not mine. But, it got me thinking, if all a person is interested in is the exclusivity appeal of the LEs, are they really a pinball enthusiast? Or just swinging their wallets around for everyone to see? I dunno. I've bought NIB, and obviously am doing it again (SE), but my true love of pinball are the late solid state and early DMD titles I grew up with in arcades. I enjoy finding a deal on a players machine and fixing it up. Anyway, I digress. I'm grateful for the growth in the industry, but also saddened by the direction this hobby has taken. To credit my old pinball friends, it's definitely apparent that there is a portion of new pinball "collectors" with very deep pockets that will continue to fuel this LE frenzy. Whew..... that's about it I guess.

Well, the good thing about this hobby is that there is room for everyone. There’s certainly a place for your “old pinball” friends who prefer the solid state/old school games just as there’s room for those who only want the latest and the greatest (as far as bling and flash). But one thing I don’t like about the hobby is all the “looking down their noses” that some collectors do. Who cares if someone only wants LEs in their collection? You inferred that only people with money to waste buy LEs. I disagree. I am not wealthy and I am generally pretty careful with my spending, but I have a few LEs in my collection because I think they are worth it. I don’t buy games to flip. I buy them to enjoy. So if it makes me happy, there’s nothing wrong with it just like there’s nothing wrong with your old pinball friends only buying SS games.

I blame Eight Ball Deluxe Limited Edition…

I personally don't care who spends money on what. I bought a GnR LE new for the same reason you said. That was the version I wanted. Sorry, I didn't mean to infer that only people with money buy LEs. My main point was that there are definitely people with very deep pockets willing to pay well over MSRP sight unseen for new LE games. And that in large part is what's driving the price insanity.

Ok. Thanks for clarifying. I see your point, and I agree with it. It's one thing for the manufacturers to make the LEs and put their prices on them. It's quite another for "flippers" to sell them for way over MSRP and for people to buy them at those inflated prices. Of course, it's a consumer-driven economy so the price is what people are willing to pay, but your argument has validity because the average joes like myself often aren't able to afford these flipped games. If we miss out on the manufacturer's release we basically miss out on getting the game because it's too expensive on the secondary market. That's why I jumped on the Cactus Canyon LE even though I'd never played it. It's a theme I love and I figured the LE would be worth the additional expense. But if the CCLE was priced at $12,000 plus, as I'm seeing some flippers advertise, there's no way I would buy it.