Well you see included has many different meanings.

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And now on to "CodeGate"!!! lol

If the release was done more professional NONE of this would be happening. All anyone wants here is clarification.....

You knew this was coming!

The add-on hasn't been marketed yet - that's why. They said in the seminar its scope is not even agreed upon yet.

No one should have any expectation of 'its included'.

Nah, they'll be arguing about who gets what machine. Not because of value, but because of the fun/favorites factor.

No doubt, it takes a great team of people with excellent chemistry to make great games. A lot of unnamed stars behind the scenes.

Listen I met Doug and got to spend some one on one time before the release of Royal edition, and without a doubt this man runs a business like it should be run. This LE game could have easily been 12500 but Doug is doing his best to provide value and keep pinball alive for the masses. I run hotels the same way....for the long haul! We all make a few mistakes along the way but in no way, after meeting Doug, is this intentional like some other companies that shall remain nameless. Doug you handled this well, you are producing, what I think, are the best built games out there and providing value beyond compare. Thank you for entering this market and thank you for venturing out into titles that are beyond the classics!

Wait Goonies never say die… Is this a hint that you guys acquired the Goonies license from Deeproot, yes !! Looking forward to the One Eyed Willy Edition!!

There will be some people who heard of the Lyman/Josh addon and assume it and the "Enhanced" code in the feature matrix on the website are one and the same. Then when the Lyman/Josh addon is announced for an extra cost, some may be upset. Easy solve, make it clear on the official website. An asterisk with a note saying "Enhanced code includes blah blah, other code enhancements may be provided at a later date for additional cost" clears up the ambiguity.

What is the extra coast for the code, and when will it be available?

Could the "enhanced" code be the "continued" code?

Why would you expect to see an unannounced optional product referenced on the web site?

Doug has previously stated they haven’t even decided what the package will include yet.

This is a good suggestion. While a people like myself who have been waiting for CCR for a long time follow all the details, most people probably don’t. I could see people getting confused.

It’s been in the header of the owners/orders thread for over a week.

Why do we not have a real game stream showing what codes are currently in the game. Is there plans for an official stream soon?

I had no idea it was an "unannounced optional product".

It was not made clear (to us casual observers) that there was going to be a third and entirely separate base of code.

I honestly don’t know how many people use Pinside….But CGC shouldn’t rely on a forum as a line of communication (not saying that they do). I have seem a few people ask questions about the code…with earlier communication issues on the topper, better safe then sorry. I am unaware of anyone ever charging for a code update, so it’s an unusual situation worthy of some clarification IMO.

Well, if you are new to the thread and revisit the posts you will see a lot is and wasn’t clear, so I guess we all just need to roll with it.

Definitely disappointed to see the topper for sale for the same price as the LE. I knew it was going to cost a bit, but to have it be the exact same price as the LE just sits wrong.

Part of the compromise is my guess. LE owners heads would've exploded even more if you could get the SE+topper cheaper than the LE.

So, new to buying from Chicago Gaming. I feel dumb asking this, but are Limited Editions never re-run? I ask because CCR shows remake is Sold Out ( and we know it is by the thread) but their other machines still list LEs but without a line clarifying they are sold out. I have no desire to pay extra just for a topper and don't care about serial numbers, but would have done the full LE bundle. I'll wait if in a year I can get an equivalent to the LE.

I do not know much about the differences in the Cactus Canyon original and the Continued code. I played the continued code and played alot of cool modes. It would be great to get some clarification on what code comes with the game that we already placed a deposit on. They say original code so there are alot of people that know what that is but what is finished original code. That is supposed to come with the game for no extra cost. When will there be a stream to show what code comes with the game?

Sold Out typically means from the manufacturer to distributors. It’s unreasonable to expect manufacturers would always go back and update marketing material from years ago.

The Enhanced Code (what you call finished original code) will come on all CCr games. That code fixes bugs, adds missing features originally intended and implements the vision the original design team had for the game.

I had to ask. I always feel like businesses like money, like with Jersey Jack and their plethora of vesions of Oz. So it seems like Chicago Gaming could get more money from people in this thread with little effort. Guess I'll save my money and get the not so special edition.

PTC or EFL !

Accept no other.

LTG : )

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Yeah what does that mean?

I played the CCr LE at Playfield 76 in Reno yesterday - fantastic! Beautiful game all around, fantastic light show, lots of fun. I like that it's not super hard but there is a lot going on that keeps you engaged. Makes the game a lot more fun for casual players - got a thumb's up from my wife. I got the topper mode one time but I had no idea what I was doing... For those wondering, as far as I could tell, the call outs didn't seem to have been changed compared to the original, even though the Bart model/target looks a bit different (not complaining). Just throwing it out there, maybe too much to ask from an already great package, but I would love to see the full CCC code (or as much as can be used given possible licensing issues with audio assets used in the original CCC code) along with the Lyman/Josh code. I understand there probably would be some work involved in porting over the CCC code, but hopefully it would be a lot less difficult than developing code from scratch. Having three code options on one playfield would be phenomenal. Super excited to get the game some time next year. Great job Doug_Duba and team!!

Got a few downvotes on this one and scratching my head why? If this release was done more professional they would have disclosed all models and what comes with each version and what can be purchased as an add on. They would have showed what current code is and what changes they have done to make the original code complete. There would be Zero discrepancies on Toppers or code. Feature matrix would clearly show the differences between ALL models. Adding a new model after selling out of all your limited edition models is not the best thing to do to your customer base.

CCC Code "possible licensing issues" ... lol, now that's a good one!

this is a great time to be alive and born 40 years ago too, lol , so I can appreciate being alive now even more! So excited for what's to come and see classics come back to life one more time. Thank you CGC!

“This LE game could have easily been 12500 but Doug is doing his best to provide value and keep pinball alive for the masses.”

The “masses” don’t seem to need the help right now Billy, buying up everything in sight for now!

But I’d play the long game too

It will be interesting to see what a “non remake” is priced at with different margins

whatever that is .....

I've gotten a lot of downvotes in this thread. I had one post that had a ton of downvotes, then a few pages later someone said the exact same thing and got a bunch of upvotes. It's one of the reasons I have to take a break from this site every once in a while. It's mass hysteria and it's not even consistent. I understand everyone's frustration here. I'm frustrated... But it's crazy how different everyone's reasons are for being upset. Some people are unhappy because they can't get an LE. A lot of LE buyers are unhappy because CGC offered to make the topper available.

I've read so many comments from the lucky people who got an LE order in for a great price whining about how unfair it all is that I'm really starting to question my place in this hobby. I feel like this has brought out the worst in some people.

"I only want it if you can't have it"? I don't think I've ever felt that way about pinball. It's a limited enough experience at is now. Some of us will never get to play the LE and see the amazing plastic on the railroad.

Ya'll are going to be really upset when you see the LE+ drop in 6 months and it comes with a piece of Doug_Duba 's couch. New sales only. Limited to 199, Cactus Green trim. $14,500

You can only get one if you spend $60,000 on pinball in a year and have saved at least 2 lives.

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you actually watch that crap?

Take a breath, drink a beer, smoke a bowl, snort a line, then come back tomorrow, still the same old a$$holes will be here.

I would GLADLY pay whatever the price difference was in AFM LE to get that topper.

Don't give them any ideas. They will tell us that was always the plan.

"I only want it if you can't have it" is the basis of the LE business model. It's the worst thing about modern pinball... Holding back features for a select few just for bragging rights.

This is true, however companies are relying on fomo to sell sell sell. If they are purposefully using fomo to get sales, then open up the sales numbers or bring out better machines down the road etc., then shame on them and we as purchasers should not support it (right). In this instance, (CGC), this simply was not the case.

I took a year off of Pinside and it wasn't that bad.
And for those that saw my previous post in this thread, I decided to pass on the LE offer and cancel my SE order. I decided it's better for me to wait until Lyman's code is in place and I play it before I commit to buy. If it's great I'll pay the market price at that time, but not before.

The fact that they made the topper available on the SE was the reason I ended up ordering this pin. I missed the LE's however I think the topper really ties this pin together (unlike most toppers)

It's impossible to appease everyone.

How dare you cloud the issue with logic and common sense!!!

The only folks that should be allowed this thread are the whiners(& flippers) that can only bitch and complain all the GD time.

Oh wait... It's already like that.. lol

I get why some people are mad about all of the things that have gone down, but I think its refreshing to see a company offer super high quality products at a more affordable price.

It's refreshing to see a company response. I'm sure we'll all learn something from this, and that will make the pinball world a better place.

I do see a strong majority of LE buyers as non-flippers, so I don't think it's fair to boil down the sell-out to money-hungry purchasers. In the end, the game will be awesome, you'll make a boatload more cash, and those who felt left out are consoled. It's just too bad that the communication was unclear and looks like a bait and switch. I'm sure this wasn't the intent.