Why are so many people upset? Pinball is supposed to be fun. The SE + looks great! The LE looks great! All winners here.

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26 posts = pineapple

I’m sure that they will
Announce something in the next few days for LE owners to have something other than the plaque and a apron

The sculpts will of course will available by mod makers

I hope anyways

There are not many people upset. Most people are really happy. Everyone is a winner.

Great now you guys can argue over a mirrored back glass that should or shouldn’t be included with the LE. CPR FOMO now.

Dont you mean "Everyone is a whiner"?

I don’t expect anything to be honest but would never expect a Backglass after thought to make people happy

Something other than a shaker, sculpts and apron / plaque

would be a nice gesture. That’s all

I’m very happy I’m in on the LE

I am hoping that CGC has a couple of strippers deliver and set up the game

I have an LE on order and am pissed off about the topper no longer longer being exclusive. I was beyond ecstatic about securing an LE on launch day. I still want the game and don’t see my self canceling but now I do have a bad taste in my mouth about CGC. Adding HD glass or a mirrored backglass to my LE would more than resolve any beef I have with CGC.

I continue to be astonished at this thread. For full disclosure, I am in on an LE, but only by luck. I just got in a little earlier than others, by pure happenstance. Again I have to ask, what is the difference between those that got in on an LE and those that didn't? No one really "earned" their LE, like had to win it or finance it blind a year in advance. It seems to me that it was either luck, or maybe a little extra planning, in any case obviously "most" of those that ordered earlier prevailed? Reading the last 20 pages it seems like some LE buyers feel like they were short changed after winning a Marathon or achieving some other milestone where they "earned" the advantage that they now enjoy. The haves and have nots on this one are all about luck or timing over the past 3 months, nothing else. It's not like those that bought Amazon stock in 1997 and watched it grow for over two decades. Some people tried to get the game long before I did, but got shafted by their distributors, I can relate because I've been there. I don't believe that I or any others have the moral high ground over them. I also feel the same way about how Stern LEs are sold, but that's another story.

So, why the hate at some leveling of the playfield by CGC for those who didn't have the right distributor or were one day late signing up for the game? Is this like the Babylon 5 battle between the Green and Purple Drazi? Is it the status war between the Sneetches with Stars and those without? It seems pretty immature to me to be so passionately angry at someone clicking their mouse a day late getting a little more game, especially when the difference between buyers was so much about timing, location, and distributor.

I want a set of steak knives, then and only then will i be happy.

It is just another option for buyers. It is great for everybody except for LE owners. The original SE version is still an option if you think the SE+ is a bad value.

Ha ha!.. Surround yourself with whingers and then everyone is a whiner!

Since you are agreeing with most of my points, it doesn’t seem like we disagree.

Few were excited by the original code. Agreed.
CCC was awesome. Agreed.
ZThe idea of a remake with CCC energized interest in CCr. Agreed.
The “finished” code isn’t complex/deep. Agreed. (No personal experience yet, but likely).
CGC is improving the game. Agreed.

Not sure why you’re telling me to play the game. I still remember playing it trying to decide if I was going to buy it new in early 1999 and played it and CCC quite a bit at shows over the years. And I don’t play digital pinball.

The original never really was all that popular for a long time because so few had a chance to play it (rarity) and those I saw play (including me) were generally disappointed with the (unfinished) code which was even more shallow than typical for its era.

If CCr is a big hit it will be because of the improvements by CGC. If it was being released only emulating the original code there wouldn’t be anywhere near the interest we’ve seen. I wouldn’t be in. Heck, I’ll bet some are buying it now just so they can see what Lyman might do. I can understand that because I essentially did the same buying Batman and Elvira LEs. But no one is buying this remake because the original game in 1999 was awesome.

If you want to continue this, let’s take it to PM. Maybe I just don’t understand the point you are trying to make.

I really hope not!

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Put me in the camp of the MAIN reason I’m buying this game is to see what Lyman will do with it. He’s worth the price of admission.

And of course for the pineapple effect!

2 years until Zen said Williams/Bally were pulling all the licenses. I then had FOMO like this thread and bought all the digital tables of course!

Well, this just killed that idea! I guess I will also take the steak knifes

I've been watching new game after new game being released and kept waiting for CCr to come out. Spent lots of time talking to dealers trying to get on the list to get one. Spent nearly 1 year trying to evaluate if that dealer was going to actually take care of me. Most gave me impression I would be probably the last on the list.

I emailed Sara with PPS and felt she was going to do what she said. Search over and got in on the LE.
Can't wait and hope everyone gets what they want.
Just a heads up for those that don't buy every game that comes out.

Its good for SE+ buyers ? they are paying the same price as LE buyers, no no no, this has been a shambles for CGC. SE+ & LE buyers got pineappled in different ways. I dont know what the answer is but to probably just move on, let by gones be by gones..smile n wave, just smile n wave

JoeHog - learn from the experience and get on multiple dealer lists if you are interested in a tittle. I think I was on 6 lists and only heard back from two of them on CCr. The honest ones will tell you where you stand and to get on multiple lists to improve your odds of getting the title.

Must be nice to actually get a response from Sara at PPS. I never got one.

Everyone is agreement!. Manufacturers can now say what they want to create FOMO and once it’s works they can change the rules afterwards. LE’s are not special or actually limited anymore by CGC or Americain Pinball. Everyone keep this in mind with there future original and licensed titles.
Please just don’t insult us and name them something different like expensive, more expensive and the most expensive version that we will make as many as we can.

On new releases, I first and foremost consider the Theme, look at the available options and associated price points, decide if the game looks fun, etc., then decide on the purchase that's best for me and my family. Never once, at any time do I consider resale value or rarity. My personal experience is, if you do this, you'll not be disappointed by events that are out of your control.

Edit: dealers not contacting customers when they were supposedly on a list is definitely unfortunate and out of one's control.

If you don't include resale in your equation, Scribbles, your kids is going to be pissed later on in life.

Hoping enough people cancel their LEs that I can find one.

Oh man, if I knew there were steak knives I woulda been in on the the LE 2 years before it was announced!

Your/your children's financial future should not be tied up in pinball machines

You keep pointing to the 'unfinished' aspect of why the game didn't get it's due or why people didn't/wouldn't like it. What I'm saying is, no that's not why. The aspects that were missing in the game were not essential to the idea of the game being fun or not. Stupid issues like tech points, or missing animations/sounds, were not deal breakers. The deal breakers are the game is flat and boring rules wise. The fixes like adding Bionic Bart and High Noon do not fix this. (High Noon is rather uninspired in CCr too). Games like MM, SS are funnier, games like AFM shoot better and are faster. CC is a flashy table but with little between the ears to keep you engaged. CCr is helped by great dots and a busy playfield that looks great. But it's still CC... and still a bimbo. Pray Lyman strikes gold again.

"You're just a Richie Rich who can throw money around in this hobby, AND you're upset when other people get stuff you want to be exclusive, so that makes you SELFISH, too!"

Reality: Many weigh carefully where to put their limited pinball money, and in a world where certain games are MARKETED as 'collector items' or 'exclusive' (and the companies enjoy the profits off of that), it MATTERS how many of a game (or highly desired exclusive features) will be made versus how many people want them. I mean - the entire formula is based on supply and demand, and when these numbers change (especially midstream) it makes a DIFFERENCE in how much that game is worth to a collector - now or in the mid to long term as possible sale or trade bait. I am actually happy more people can get the topper, but it CHANGES the entire equation (as did the American Pinball increase recently).

I love to play and collect the games I enjoy, and I'm fortunate enough to be able to do it, but I am NOT made of limitless cash and space. There are decisions to be made, and they can be very costly one way or the other in this wacky hobby, especially lately. Even though I keep games based on what I enjoy playing, I still need to make an informed decision on which games and which version of those games to go after. FWIW, I am still very happy with my LE order here, and I still think it's a great value, but it is a DIFFERENT DEAL now with offering more toppers, that's all. All of this makes me much more leery of putting a lot into 'collector' games in the future. We will see. Either way, this "You all are just SELFISH and don't want other people to have stuff!" is a really cynical take on people just playing the high-stakes game that is sinking $10k (used to be unthinkable) or $15k (becoming more common) or $20k and beyond into a PINBALL MACHINE. I definitely need to have my head examined, but there is no way I will because I am having a BLAST! ...what a time to be in this hobby!

At least the topper was included with the LE, the topper is extra when buying stern LE's

This thread was dead for months now it has pages of absolutely nothing interesting really.

Where is the gameplay footage - not the marketing material but actually gameplay? Where are the rules? Where are the details?

I want to know how the game shoots and see if it is worth the hype.

This pretty much sums up where I, and I think many, people are on this subject of LE/exclusivity/value added/etc. when it comes to buying new pins. Gribbs has 28 machines in his collection, I have 3. But it sounds like we’re both still taking into consideration all of the same factors when it comes to dropping 10 grand on a toy. I’m in on an LE (as I also was for AFMr) because, if I decide it’s worth spending my limited funds on, I want the best version available. Whether I keep it long term remains to be seen. If I don’t, I certainly would like the resale value to be good. To be clear-I’d buy the machine anyway! I’ve lost money on pins and that is what it is-I still get to play a pinball machine at home whenever I want. The kid in me never gets tired of that. But The adult in me has to consider where my limited funds go and whether it’s worth it. I’m still in for this LE but I will be watching the resale market closely before considering whether I buy the next CGC LE release. I wish I had the luxury to not care but selling pins is what allows me to keep buying new pins to enjoy. Either way, I love this hobby and am excited about getting to play my CCr in the near future. THAT feeling never gets old, topper-gate or not!!!

What will all this hype do to the resale value of the original Cactus Canyon?

Any thoughts/predictions?

Same thing here, pouted about no LE, (my wife said it was a tantrum, but I beg to differ) how stupid. Ordered the SE and am very excited.

Yup, my thoughts and situation exactly. Toppers are just dust collectors that you can't clean easily.

Just sat in on a Pinball manufacturers meeting. All of the companies were there. I managed to sneak in a camera.

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I'm sending in a lollipop with my check to pay my balance. Just an extra Thank you for taking care of us LE buyers.

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If my memory serves, and I watched the twitch feed from Expo, CGC NEVER said the topper was exclusive to the LE. In fact, there was discussion among those watching that it was implied that the topper might be made available. CGC never made any promise specific or implied that the topper was only for the LE at any time, in any fashion. That was wishful thinking by those purchasing an LE. And especially those planning to flip them. Everyone should be happy that something as useless (literally these machines do nothing and produce nothing except jobs for repairmen) as pinball is selling so fricking well. More power to CGC or any company that can sell 1250 LEs and a topper for $1250. I hope they sell a million of them and roll in the cash so they will make more of their great games. It was not that long ago that pinball was dead, and now we have folks mad because a pinball company is actually (gasp!) making a buck. If you paid $9250 for an LE you knew what you were buying, and frankly that is a good deal. You will get exactly what you paid for. If you bought to speculate, well ... And are LEbuyers seriously telling me your game is now worth LESS than what you agreed to pay? These guys remake machines the originals of which are rare and expensive. No one is shedding tears for the owners of those games seeing the value of those machines stagnate.

A little more detail on the annoucement from Ryan (CGC) which you can see here from his seminar at Expo on Friday ...

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1190177331

As best I can transcribe ...

Ryan White from CGC at the Announcement at Pinball Expo

7:03:41

"and as you can see at least on the Limited Edition, the Topper"

7:07:32

"the topper of course, is is right now with the limited edition, we haven't decided if we are going to add that at a later date as an upgrade option for this one"

I'm just adding this into the discussion and not adding any opinion or view - so, yes there is plenty to debate, but I had just thought that Ryan had touched on this on the announcement so wanted it to be on the record here.

So what is Limited in the Limited Edition now?

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Xtra Warranty

The good deal is limited to the LE.

Extra warranty, train tracks, mine cart, special apron, numbered plaque, shaker. LE is still the best option even after toppergate.

Personally I think CGC handled this intermezzo quite well and now a few people are seeking drama and being upset about something that's already fixed and done. Stop beating the dead western horse.

Hey can't blame you for asking, since reading product matrixes is really tough.

The LE’s were a steal at that price. So much butt-hurt over plebs without distributor connections being able to have a topper.

These are your friend. I never leave my toppers unprotected.
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/03-8653

EDIT: Looking closely at this particular topper via pictures, it may need a custom bubble. I'll know when I get mine. You can bet your ass I'll make one though... I don't want this thing damaged.

There’s a list on CGC’s website, feel free to read it. And to answer your question, A LOT

I’m guessing we will eventually still see a "CCR CE" Collector edition just as they did with MMR Royal. I still want a Cactus Canyon Remake Limited Edition but I can't find one at MSRP. Still on the active hunt for one. It wouldn't really bother me once a CCR CE comes out in the event I find a LE.

Guessing they would make 925 CCR CE's to match that of the original run... would be a nice way to pay homage to the Bally table. Perhaps the CCR CE will have the saloon doors ? The badge ? Alt mirrored back glass ? The updated "Lyman" code included ?

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A few more thoughts.

1. I think the guns on the apron should shoot real bullets on the LE , then I will be mad whole again! I mean I like that steak knives idea, but who brings a knife to a gun fight?

2. I get why some LE buyers are upset, I think one reason that many of us are willing to spend our hard earned money on these overpriced machines is the fact they can hold or sometimes even exceed their value in re-sale. This makes you feel better about you purchase that if you end up needing the cash you just put in a toy , or want a new game etc you can get it back. Without this element they would not sell for what they do, the market would just not hold up IMO. Not saying this is a good approach, but its the reality. If people thought the topper was exclusive to the LE then clearly this protects their purchase a bit.

With that said, they did not say it was exclusive as PPS posted above, though I agree their marketing material could have led one to believe that as well as past games. Also you can get out if you feel you lost your value.

Now, does anyone know when LE's are supposed to ship? And how do I get this backglass! Totally planned on buying it from CPR, hopefully the price is similar. PPS ?