Trying to figure out what model comes with what and who gets Lyman code without knowing what that will cost.....jeeesh!!!

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He just wants the deal he agreed to, why is that so hard for you to understand?

Please see the post above yours for fucks sake.

Lol, this is a forum about new pinballs costing in upwards of 10000. Manufacturers are catering to buyers with there bullshit LE structures to rip off the morons ( that is most all of us) . So no its not to say I have the nicest. People are paying dearly for limited in a niche market

The basic game had colour dots. Eight different colors you could make the dots.

When they programmed the scenes with more colors than a colordmd had, they did charge for the IC kit to install in the game. $299 for original owner, $499 for others.

LTG : )

What exactly "MUCH less" are they providing you? You could certainly pay the same amount for the SE+ and give me your LE for the same price.

They aren't providing you anything less... they are providing other an opportunity to pay more (the same amount you paid, to get less than what you got)

1 year + software to make topper, CGC would be crazy not to sell more than 1250 Toppers

Well, you aren't gonna get the deal you agreed to. Period. That should be apparent by now. So, you are left with 2 choices. Get a refund, or continue bitching incessantly.

For fucks sake

I see a bunch of LE buyers upset because this is not what they agreed to (which is understandable)…this was really the only option CGC could have done though for their business model. Granted they could have planned better but if anyone caught their Expo presentation—-planning is not what they do best. I mean who shows up late for a presentation! SE buyers feel great now which they should. CGC should throw a bone to LE buyers now….1/2 Lyman code, inviglass included, knocker with added gunshot code, mirrored backglass (I’m not saying all the above just one thing) so the LE buyers feel some extra love. Even in that case I’ll sure someone would be mad but a thought

You don't need to read any of it. That's the beauty of Internet forums!

But I'm glad you at least understand the issue. That's all I'm trying to clarify.

I guess they are crazy because that’s that they said they would do…until they changed their mind.

I personally am still very excited I was lucky enough to to find an le, and can’t wait to play it. I am also happy that it appears se buyers can get a topper for theirs.

From my perspective I’m pissed because I missed out on an LE (mostly because I wasn’t quick enough and ours only got 65 for the whole country. And we have no option to call around other distro’s to see if they’ve got a free slot). So I see all the LE guys complaining and just think I’d happily be in your shoes.

I might get the SE+ down the road, but no urgency on that.

But it’s all first world problems. In all honesty, I get off Pinside and couldn’t care less.

The tricky part about throwing a bone to LE buyers is they would be admitting that what they did was wrong.

You seem to not understand that an agreement was broken. Some paid above retail to get an LE which is no longer limited to the agreed amount.

I don't get it. If someone sold me a Vodka Cranberry with Grey Goose in it for $10 or just cranberry juice for $7. Then they decided to offer Aristocrat Vodka with Cranberry for $10. Why would you be mad? Your Grey Goose didn't get worse, their drink isn't as good as yours and they paid the same. This certainly would not devalue your drink as they are not the same.

If they sold the SE+ at $8,800 or something I could see a reason to be mad.

I think a free mirrored backglass would be the best consolation. Something ought to be "given" to the original LE buyers, considering they were mislead from the beginning. Now that they've "changed the rules" with LEs, they ought to to make AFM toppers available to all.

CGC handled the situation as best they could. Same scenario when I bought my MMRRE. Toppers and upgrade kits for the masses!

My Royal hasn’t lost value cuz of it. Same with CCrLE. It’s the best example of what CGC offers and nothing less. I never considered my LE purchase less after this announcement. Waters will calm down and folks’ll be just as happy with this model as all previous CGC remakes.

I don’t believe so…it’s called listening to their customers and getting good will. I believe 90%+ of LE owners would be fine with this. If you’re an LE owner and disagree type disagree in this form

I dunno, all vodka is pretty much the same. Grey Goose is 99% marketing.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2019/03/12/702220737/watch-theres-no-such-thing-as-fancy-vodka

Totally agree or throw in the new Lyman code for free or a serious discount (like they did with the color chip for the original MMRLE buyers) ....the only option on the LE that was really worth anything was the topper. Aside from the apron all the others will be easily replicated by the creative modders, and in most cases they will do a nicer job. I guess the good news is we now know the CGC business model, and that future LE's won't really be limited....

I disagree. The best they could have done was to honor their original deal and what they said at the outset. That would have been the best course of action and the safest, but maybe not the most profitable in the short term.

Oh I agree with you that it would be great if they threw something additional in, I am in on an LE.

I’m saying they won’t do it.

All decisions thus far have been about making more revenue, not less.

Many paid over retail by roughly the amount you’re saying they should have a reason to be mad, get it now?

But didnt they state on launch at expo that they had not decided about the topper availability?

This

An LE owner needs start a forum post with a poll asking what would make them happy…. Obviously one of the poll options should be nothing ( that would be a disagree) which I don’t think there’d be many

This says it all.

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No don't, make the SE guys pay. They want you to cancel so they can take your spot. Calling all flippers and pissed off customers. Hold and flip and it will hurt both cgc and the se's

Not yet. Please cry more about it. Clench your fists too, that might also help.

The features matrix said the topper was “LE only”. It’s been posted on this thread i don’t know how many times yet people still seem to miss or overlook that fact. Take a look.

I'm also stunned at the outrage. I'm fortunate to be in on an LE, but I didn't do anything special to earn it. Maybe other people had to do something to earn their LEs, but my situation was being at the right place at the right time and seeing the PPS post in this thread a few months ago. I also didn't sign a contract, but maybe others did, but in any case I don't feel like I've been wronged in any way. I still get the fully loaded game and the only reason between me getting an LE or being left out was lucky timing.

Whats the point? The good news is we now know what CGC will do on future releases, and they have no interest in selling truly limited products. Just is what it is....

This alone still has me hunting for an LE even though the options the topper is no longer just part of the LE package. This came in from a dealer that explained what I would still not be getting including the LE serial tag. The hunt continues for an LE.

“CCr-LE LIMITED EDITION which is SOLD OUT will continue to have a number of exclusive features including: the Gunslinger Wooded Lower Arch, Mine Cart, Train Tracks, Custom Art Blades, Gun Metal Grey Trim, LE Medallion, Shaker Motor and Extended Warranty”

Just like what CGC said publicly at launch at Expo. And have repeated on here numerous times. What was stated at Expo was very clear - they hadn’t yet decided on the topper. The wording in that picture is ambiguous. But now we really are going around in circles as we’ve debated the wording as nauseum.

I just hope you angry LE buyers are happy when you finally get your amazing (and limited) games and can find it in yourselves to move on.

Now let’s learn from this lesson and next remake make 2500 LE’s and toppers for everyone!!!!
Games don’t have to sell out in minutes. Just need to sell out before the next release.

You fail to grasp the basic concepts of agreements and integrity, have a great day.

If you don’t like what you bought they are offering your money back. End of story

Le buyers are already getting the most cost effective version of the game as well.

Please explain how the wording “Topper (limited edition only)” is ambiguous.

I think they should do timed LE if they do it at all. Available for 24 hours then never again. Gives everyone an initial chance but keeps numbers limited.

I doubt the shaker motor and art blades won't be available to purchase for Non-LE models. The train tracks, mine cart and powder coated trim will most likely be available by 3rd party mod makers.

They aren’t offering what was agreed to, that’s why many are pissed off. Saying you can get your money back doesn’t fix that.

I don’t know wtf is going on in Australia anyhow Cookie!

Let me be the Dick in the room once again.

As a “collector” that spends a lot of $$ on high end games that I like we don’t like to see the rarity factor (1250 is now rare?) or the “collectibility” diminished in what people are buying. You all know I’m right.

The SE buyers or ones that missed out up front will say F you, I want a topper too. Everybody gets a trophy!

You gotta pick your lane, and you can’t have it both ways.

Why do companies offer up and then consumers buy an “LE”?

Because it’s limited! And you guys can say whatever you want but YOU ALL want these high priced games to maintain their value at a minimum.

I’m sure, after the fact, CGC and PPS realized they left a shit ton of $$$ on the table when 1,250 went flying out the door.

Well hey, we are gonna be seen as the good guys by keeping LE prices lower than Stern and when the actual bubble does pop we will already be priced much better

When you take “collectors” and high end buyers for granted, that is how you blow up the money train that is barreling down the tracks.

To say to the LE buyers, “if you don’t like what we did then just get a refund” is F ing crazy mentality. There will come a day…

Bottom line, it is what it is and good for the SE buyers that they get the trophy too. It’s incorporated in the game and I get it BUT the topper is the signature calling card for CGC, period, hard stop!

Next time, either have ONE version of a game OR price the LEs to a point where you sell the numbers and maintain the “collectibility” factor

You’re going to ignore someone who’s honest and honors the deals they make? Maybe it’s you.

You are now involving a 3rd party that has nothing to do with CGC’s obligations. If someone was that impatient and that focused on ‘exclusivity’… well they gambled and lost.

A horrible bet to make given CGC left this door open 10mins after showing the game and everyone knows reruns are possible.

Nicely said.

Yes it does

When you return a broke product at target do you demand something more in return too???

If you don’t like the sale - you can walk away scott free. That’s the restitution any court would offer too. You literally have no other harm done.